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Old 09-17-2017, 12:48 AM   #1
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Archery hunting season is almost upon us. My understanding of this challenge series is to improve hunting skills by creating a simulation of the first shot on an animal and to provide a fun excuse to practice that situation.

This week, the challenge is to make your own shot, basically. By that I mean that you will choose the height and distance from which you expect to shoot an animal on opening morning of archery season. Specifically, if you hunt out of a tree stand, then climb a ladder or find an elevated position to shoot from (if you're Randy, stand on your deck railing ). If you shoot from a ground blind, get out your stool and sit on it to shoot. As far as distance, pick a distance that approximates what you would consider ideal for an animal to stop broadside for you in your actual set-up. This will probably be 12- to 18 yards -- your choice. Maybe, you wear a ghillie suit and stand by a tree on a trail: shoot 10 yards standing. I will say shot has to be at least 10 yards for grownups -- 7 for kids.

For the challenge, simply put a dot or an X on a piece of paper and shoot from your chosen position and distance -- maybe with the expected hunting gear you will wear (I'm sure we would love to see pics of your attire.)

Oh, and by the way, use your complete hunting rig, including broadheads. Please share the info on your equipment -- bow weight and type, arrow material, weight and FOC, broadhead type and weight etc. Also, please share your distance and circumstance of the shot.

Winner of next week's call will be the closest arrow -- measured from nearest edge of shaft -- to center of dot or X.

Sample report: 2-3/8", shot from top of a 6-foot ladder, sitting, using 70-lb recurve and 680-grain Warrior carbon with 25 % FOC, with a 300-grain single bevel Tuffhead from a distance of 14 yards.

Don't think you have to write a book, but we could all benefit knowing how our trad brethren foresee their best-case scenarios. Good luck.

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Old 09-17-2017, 05:17 PM   #2
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Guess I'll start it off.
Result leaves plenty of room for improvement: 4-3/16" low and left.

Shot standing on 4th step of ladder, simulating tree stand shot at a distance of 16 yards. Kind of hot, so just wore hunting shirt, skipped face net. Shooting new (to me) 70-lb. Weathers recurve for only 2nd day since getting it from Rick. Arrow is 400 spine Warrior weighing 680 grains, with 400 grains up front (225 grain Tuffhead single bevel with 75-grain adapter, plus 100-grain brass insert) for about 26% FOC.



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Old 09-17-2017, 08:42 PM   #3
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Time to work on excuses.

--the arrow was 80 grains heavier than i've been shooting
-- the ladder was wobbly
-- the bow was new
-- I was practicing for the deer to duck.

Those are my stories, snd I'm sticking to them.

Oh, and forgot all about the sun in my eyes and the gale force downdrafts.

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Old 09-17-2017, 08:49 PM   #4
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Time to work on excuses.

--the arrow was 80 grains heavier than i've been shooting
-- the ladder was wobbly
-- the bow was new
-- I was practicing for the deer to duck.

Those are my stories, snd I'm sticking to them.

Oh, and forgot all about the sun in my eyes and the gale force downdrafts.

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Looks like that arrow buried pretty deep.

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Old 09-17-2017, 09:06 PM   #5
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Looks like that arrow buried pretty deep.

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Yeah, you could say that. That's a 31" arrow, and it went through the target and into a piece of 3/4" OSB behind it far enough that I had to get out my drill and bore holes on both sides of the broadhead to get it.

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Yeah, you could say that. That's a 31" arrow, and it went through the target and into a piece of 3/4" OSB behind it far enough that I had to get out my drill and bore holes on both sides of the broadhead to get it.

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Heh Heh. Told Ya.

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Old 09-17-2017, 11:14 PM   #7
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Yeah, you could say that. That's a 31" arrow, and it went through the target and into a piece of 3/4" OSB behind it far enough that I had to get out my drill and bore holes on both sides of the broadhead to get it.

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Shazaam...thats peculiarly familiar and funny.

TradTiger...Awesome challenge. Awesome setup. Good shot. Your gonna put a hurtin on something(s) with that setup.
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Old 09-18-2017, 11:56 AM   #8
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Thanks, Briar.

Only semi-valid excuse is on the arrow weight; I just completely forgot that I hadn't shot that heavier arrow (680 vs. 601ish grains) in months. And, and I suppose it could make three or four inches elevation difference at 16 yards. Not quite sure I need the higher weight, but Dr. Ashby says it takes 650 grains to break bone if that is hit. Making up some more carbons with the 100 grain brass inserts (versus aluminum) to practice with and get brain used to the difference.
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Old 09-18-2017, 04:33 PM   #9
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I doubt it takes 650 grains.

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Old 09-19-2017, 11:53 AM   #10
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I doubt it takes 650 grains.

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Maybe not; that's just the number Ashby felt was needed to not only breach bone but to have momentum enough to continue into vitals for a lethal shot.

There are a number of factors involved. His studies -- using thousands of test shots on real animals over a period of three decades or so -- can be found at the Alaska Bowhunter website, I believe.

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Old 09-19-2017, 12:45 PM   #11
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I read his stuff. I just know I've shot through the shoulders of many deer and pigs and none of my arrows weigh near that much. Now the speed was higher than a trad bow but I've shot some 175lb plus pigs through the shoulder and into the vitals.

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Old 09-20-2017, 06:42 PM   #12
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Shoot em up, y'all!
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Old 09-20-2017, 07:52 PM   #13
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I'll try to get a shot in before deadline.
I've just been to busy to even think about shooting this week.

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Well I tried the finger out today. My Rhinhart woodland boar came in. Had to take a 15 yard sitting shot. Rick was right. Really not that much pressure on the ring finger. Wasn't comfortable but it went where I wanted.

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Old 09-21-2017, 10:15 PM   #15
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Size:  68.8 KBThe woodsman three blade I dug out of my tree, after three months being buried, is flying awesome at 15 level ground. Its the leader broadhead now. I slacked on broadhead shooting until TradTiger said GO. Ive shot better first shots since this two days ago. Two finger split LH. Sarrels Dual Shelf Recurve 60" Lynx 54#@28"

Easton Carbon Aftermaths 6mm/ 9/32" dia.
340 shaft w/ 145gr arrow weight
31.75"x 9.6gpi = 302.4gr =>
302.4gr + 75gr insert+ 145gr point + 9gr nock = 531.4gr arrow wt...plus feather weight
True weight= 546.6gr
L= 31 7/8"L (31.875" w/nock & insert)
L/2= 15.9375"
A= 21.75"
(100x (A - L/2))/L
(100x 21.75-15.9375)/31.875= 18.235% FOC

Eso si que es.
Vaya con Dios. Vaminos mas alto.

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Old 09-22-2017, 12:46 AM   #16
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Nice shooting, gentlemen!

Looks like 3-1/4" for Briar. Great info on your equipment, as well. Right at 10 grains per pound for the arrow weight, and a nice FOC as well should do damage. Are you comfortable from either side with that dual shelf bow?

Very nice hog shot, DRT! If the center of the 12-ring was your target, then it's pretty close to 1".
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Old 09-22-2017, 10:33 AM   #17
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Nah I wasn't shooting for that. Darn thing is in the wrong spot for a kill shot. It wasn't a competitive shot. With this finger I just wanted to get one in on the new target.

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Old 09-22-2017, 11:39 AM   #18
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Are you comfortable from either side with that dual shelf bow?
I was/am. I shoot the Lynx right handed three under. However, since early summer, Ive been mainly focusing shooting right handed three under on my Sarrels Blueridge S/R. Same arrows.

Im using Trailmaker broadheads and not Woodsman. I get the two mixed up. Same same but different.
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Old 09-23-2017, 09:45 AM   #19
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Like to see some more shots. Just simulate your set-up with your hunting arrow. You set the distance. Then share the info so others may learn. Post by midnight today.
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I shot this morning. Not well. Granted the ladder was not overly stable and I re-injured the finger yesterday when the drill hung up in the sheet metal. Shooting through tree, 20 yards, 8 feet up sitting on a step ladder. Low and left 6.5".


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Old 09-23-2017, 10:16 AM   #21
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Way to challenge yourself, DRT! That's no gimme, and dang those wobbly ladders!
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Way to challenge yourself, DRT! That's no gimme, and dang those wobbly ladders!
No but I shoot 20 yards regular. I just did not follow through. Thinking about the ladder, limb clearance and getting done quick to head to work and not focused on what I should have. The shot.

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No but I shoot 20 yards regular. I just did not follow through. Thinking about the ladder, limb clearance and getting done quick to head to work and not focused on what I should have. The shot.

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Shot a quiver at it after I got back from work right now. Had two of right but getting the hang of it. Most of my tripods set amongst trees. I like cover all around me.

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Old 09-23-2017, 02:25 PM   #24
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That's a hurtin' hog!

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Old 09-23-2017, 08:48 PM   #25
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'Bout three hours to shoot by spotlight (CRM, Randy, any other East Texas boys) and post!
Right now, Briar Friar leads at 3-1/4"
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Sounds like BF needs to put his thinking cap on. Good shooting.

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Old 09-24-2017, 05:11 AM   #27
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Congrats to Briar Friar on a good shot! You get the call for Week 39, which includes the opening of deer season for us!
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Shazaam! Good to go.
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