Reply
Go Back   TexasBowhunter.com Community Discussion Forums > Topics > Traditional
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 12-16-2017, 07:53 AM   #1
Phillip Fields
Pope & Young
 
Phillip Fields's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: Chesapeake, VA
Hunt In: NC,TX, and anywhere else I can
Default Anybody Know Who Nels Gumley Was

I ran across this on another site. The clipping is from around 1934.
Attached Images
 
Phillip Fields is offline   Reply With Quote Back To The Top
Old 12-16-2017, 08:02 AM   #2
Phillip Fields
Pope & Young
 
Phillip Fields's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: Chesapeake, VA
Hunt In: NC,TX, and anywhere else I can
Default

I left an R out of the title. Its Nels Grumley.
Phillip Fields is offline   Reply With Quote Back To The Top
Old 12-16-2017, 10:39 AM   #3
Jon Stewart
Four Point
 
Jon Stewart's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2014
Default

Heard of him, LOL
Jon Stewart is offline   Reply With Quote Back To The Top
Old 12-16-2017, 10:45 AM   #4
White Falcon
Pope & Young
 
White Falcon's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: Holly Lake Ranch
Hunt In: East Tx. and Anywhere I can!
Default

Stickbow has all the info on this.
White Falcon is offline   Reply With Quote Back To The Top
Old 12-16-2017, 11:04 AM   #5
Phillip Fields
Pope & Young
 
Phillip Fields's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: Chesapeake, VA
Hunt In: NC,TX, and anywhere else I can
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by White Falcon View Post
Stickbow has all the info on this.
I read that.
Phillip Fields is offline   Reply With Quote Back To The Top
Old 12-16-2017, 12:42 PM   #6
Briar Friar
Ten Point
 
Briar Friar's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2015
Location: Texas
Hunt In: San Gabriel, Colorado and Rio Grande watersheds
Default

No.

However, funny article MrFields. I wonder if Nelson shot the cat as a perp or as meat replenishment. Thanks for sharing.
Briar Friar is offline   Reply With Quote Back To The Top
Old 12-16-2017, 08:24 PM   #7
M.E.B.
Ten Point
 
M.E.B.'s Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: TX
Default

He was Fred Bear's bowyer.

I thought the same about the cat. As punishment or as meat replenishment.
M.E.B. is offline   Reply With Quote Back To The Top
Old 12-17-2017, 07:01 AM   #8
Phillip Fields
Pope & Young
 
Phillip Fields's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: Chesapeake, VA
Hunt In: NC,TX, and anywhere else I can
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by M.E.B. View Post
He was Fred Bear's bowyer.

I thought the same about the cat. As punishment or as meat replenishment.
Yep. Nels was the first bowyer hired by Fred Bear, in 1938. Before Nels was hired Bear did not have bows in his product line. The bows built by Nels were stamped (in early years) or signed by Nels Grumley. He designed several bows including a static recurve. Many collectors consider Nels to be one of the greatest American bowyers. Nels left the company in 1948, despite Fred offering substantial financial inducements for him to stay. The reason Nels left was because Bear was going to start using machines to build bows and Nels felt bows should be built by hand. Sadly, he stayed in the bow business only a couple of years after leaving Bear.
Phillip Fields is offline   Reply With Quote Back To The Top
Old 12-17-2017, 02:04 PM   #9
Jon Stewart
Four Point
 
Jon Stewart's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2014
Default

YUP, quite a neat history with Mr Grumley and Mr. Bear and Bear archery. I got a call from a friend who lives in Kentucky who asked me to keep an eye out for a "couple" of Grumley bows to add for his bow collection. He thinks because I live in Michigan that Grumleys can be found at yard sales. Of course that's not the case.
Jon Stewart is offline   Reply With Quote Back To The Top
Old 12-18-2017, 10:33 AM   #10
SwampRabbit
Pope & Young
 
SwampRabbit's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2013
Location: Tomball, TX
Hunt In: Hill Country & East Texas
Default

That is pretty cool. What was the result of the trial?
SwampRabbit is offline   Reply With Quote Back To The Top
Old 12-18-2017, 11:11 AM   #11
Phillip Fields
Pope & Young
 
Phillip Fields's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: Chesapeake, VA
Hunt In: NC,TX, and anywhere else I can
Default

I don't know the results of the trial.
Phillip Fields is offline   Reply With Quote Back To The Top
Old 12-18-2017, 12:41 PM   #12
R.Armendariz
Six Point
 
R.Armendariz's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2014
Location: Laredo tx
Hunt In: South tx.
Default

Shot the cat that ate his food that's funny.
R.Armendariz is offline   Reply With Quote Back To The Top
Old 12-18-2017, 01:18 PM   #13
tradtiger
Pope & Young
 
tradtiger's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2013
Location: Austin
Hunt In: Lee Co., Granger
Default

Interesting history on Grumley. Since there was no internet back then, he was probably only fined at most for the cat-killing. Couldn't locate info on a trial.

However, trying to learn more about him led me to also learn more about Fred Bear. Didn't know that Bear became interested in archery from seeing a movie about Art Young bow hunting in Alaska; subsequently he met Young and learned about bow making. Most surprising was -- if I understood the information correctly -- that it took Fred Bear six years of trying before killing a whitetail deer with a bow.
tradtiger is online now   Reply With Quote Back To The Top
Old 12-19-2017, 07:54 AM   #14
60 Deluxe
Ten Point
 
60 Deluxe's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2012
Location: Coke County
Hunt In: at home
Default

Yes, I know about Nelson (Nels) Grumley. I watched one of his bows sell for $1800, if my memory serves me correctly, on Ebay about a year ago. Nels parted ways with Fred when Fred insisted on using fiberglass as a backing material. Fred made a good decision on that. Nels went on to build some more all wood bows but was not successful enough to stay in business. Times change and those that do not keep up get left behind.
60 Deluxe is offline   Reply With Quote Back To The Top
Old 12-19-2017, 08:09 AM   #15
Phillip Fields
Pope & Young
 
Phillip Fields's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: Chesapeake, VA
Hunt In: NC,TX, and anywhere else I can
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by 60 Deluxe View Post
Yes, I know about Nelson (Nels) Grumley. I watched one of his bows sell for $1800, if my memory serves me correctly, on Ebay about a year ago. Nels parted ways with Fred when Fred insisted on using fiberglass as a backing material. Fred made a good decision on that. Nels went on to build some more all wood bows but was not successful enough to stay in business. Times change and those that do not keep up get left behind.
My research indicates the dispute was more over using machines to mass produce bows rather than the use of fiberglass. But I have been known to be wrong. The following is an excerpt from an excellent article on collecting Bear bows.

Nels left Bear in 1948 when Fred made the decision to begin mass production of bows at the new factory in Grayling. Nels felt strongly that bows should be individually crafted, and not made by machine. So Nels left, even though Fred tried to convince him to stay with some handsome financial offers, and struck out on his own to make bows. However, his private venture into the bow making business lasted only two years before he took a job in an appliance manufacturer as a model maker. These "Grumley by Grumley" bows are marked with a simple stamped signature "Grumley" either on the limb or on the riser, and are very scarce and excellent collector items.[/i]

http://www.stickbow.com/stickbow/Collector/beararchery/

Last edited by Phillip Fields; 12-19-2017 at 08:17 AM..
Phillip Fields is offline   Reply With Quote Back To The Top
Old 12-20-2017, 05:49 AM   #16
60 Deluxe
Ten Point
 
60 Deluxe's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2012
Location: Coke County
Hunt In: at home
Default

True also. I have a 1949 static recurve with an aluminum lam and glass backing. I suspect that they were already using machines to cut the laminations prior to Nels leaving. I have never seen exactly what machines Nels was opposed to. It probably had to do with the heated presses and the sanding equipment necessary to shape the glass laminated bows.
60 Deluxe is offline   Reply With Quote Back To The Top
Old 12-20-2017, 06:43 AM   #17
Phillip Fields
Pope & Young
 
Phillip Fields's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: Chesapeake, VA
Hunt In: NC,TX, and anywhere else I can
Default

I really regret that I didn't get into collecting bear bows years ago. I can remember when it was pretty easy to find Bear Bows for next to nothing.
Phillip Fields is offline   Reply With Quote Back To The Top
Old 12-20-2017, 01:37 PM   #18
Ol Man
Ten Point
 
Ol Man's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: Magnolia, TX
Default

If you get to San Antonio - go to the Buckhorn Saloon. They have a whole section (museum style) of Nels Grumley and history about him. Very interesting info and artifacts..
Ol Man is offline   Reply With Quote Back To The Top
Old 12-20-2017, 02:02 PM   #19
Phillip Fields
Pope & Young
 
Phillip Fields's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: Chesapeake, VA
Hunt In: NC,TX, and anywhere else I can
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Ol Man View Post
If you get to San Antonio - go to the Buckhorn Saloon. They have a whole section (museum style) of Nels Grumley and history about him. Very interesting info and artifacts..
Thanks for the info.

My wife and I were privileged to spend the day at the Fred Bear museum attached to the bear factory in Gainesville, Florida. I have pictures of me sitting in Fred's saddle and standing by the record brown bear he killed. We were also able to watch the manufacturing process as the production line in the factory was running the day we were there. I still wear the Bear belt buckle I purchased that day. The museum was closed and the contents sold to Bass Pro in 2003. I think 1998 was the year we were there.
Phillip Fields is offline   Reply With Quote Back To The Top
Old 12-29-2017, 06:33 AM   #20
Jon Stewart
Four Point
 
Jon Stewart's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2014
Default

Phillip, I go back a little farther than you as I can remember going to the museum when it was in Grayling, Michigan. Dad was on Bears advisory staff we used to hang around the museum when he was in meetings at Bear archery which was at a different location in Grayling. The Michigan Traditional Bow Hunters still holds our annual shoot on the site of the original museum but the building is long gone.
Jon Stewart is offline   Reply With Quote Back To The Top
Old 12-29-2017, 07:53 AM   #21
Phillip Fields
Pope & Young
 
Phillip Fields's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: Chesapeake, VA
Hunt In: NC,TX, and anywhere else I can
Default

Jon, That would have been great. I regret that I never got to meet Mr. Bear. I've only met a couple of the real oldtimers. I had the opportunity to spend some time with Dan Quillian. I also had the opportunity to shoot a couple rounds of 3d with Bob Wesley.
Phillip Fields is offline   Reply With Quote Back To The Top
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 02:34 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.1
Copyright ©2000 - 2018, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Copyright 1999-2012, TexasBowhunter.com