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Old 08-24-2014, 12:43 AM   #301
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My First pig just fell in complete darkness. I could get use to this!

FWIW: The scope is worthless in complete darkness without an external IR. In town the scope is fine it gathers enough light from other sources. But out in the middle of nowhere (where most of us hunt) the external IR is a must have. Definitely worth spending some coin on. I can easily see 200 yards right now and it is pitch black out here.

The scope tracks very well and holds zero too, nothing but positives in that aspect.
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Old 08-24-2014, 12:46 AM   #302
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My First pig just fell in complete darkness. I could get use to this!

FWIW: The scope is worthless in complete darkness without an external IR. In town the scope is fine it gathers enough light from other sources. But out in the middle of nowhere (where most of us hunt) the external IR is a must have. Definitely worth spending some coin on. I can easily see 200 yards right now and it is pitch black out here.

The scope tracks very well and holds zero too, nothing but positives in that aspect.
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Old 08-24-2014, 09:06 AM   #303
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My First pig just fell in complete darkness. I could get use to this!

FWIW: The scope is worthless in complete darkness without an external IR. In town the scope is fine it gathers enough light from other sources. But out in the middle of nowhere (where most of us hunt) the external IR is a must have. Definitely worth spending some coin on. I can easily see 200 yards right now and it is pitch black out here.

The scope tracks very well and holds zero too, nothing but positives in that aspect.
Let me clarify. Are you saying the scope is worthless when using the onboard 150mW illuminator? Which external IR did you choose?
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Let me clarify. Are you saying the scope is worthless when using the onboard 150mW illuminator? Which external IR did you choose?
Correct, I didn't try it without the doubler so it may work at low magnification. With the doubler and the on board ir it's fine for in town. But in the sticks it's not even close to enough. I bought my external ir on ebay. Miket walked me through it and it's well worth the money. I could see easily 200 yards.

This guy never saw it coming.

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Old 08-24-2014, 01:10 PM   #305
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In the pic. it looks like the lens cap with the tinted window is on the scope , did you have it on last night ?
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Old 08-24-2014, 03:35 PM   #306
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In the pic. it looks like the lens cap with the tinted window is on the scope , did you have it on last night ?
The lens cap has a hole in it for day time. And no it was open last night
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Old 08-24-2014, 09:15 PM   #307
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Congrats on the pig. My oldest daughter shot one last night too but we couldnt find it.......when the bullet struck it let out a squeal that Doug heard back at camp but then disappeared.
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Old 08-25-2014, 01:21 AM   #308
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Nice hog Coach! Looking good!

Ok guys, we've got settled in with the new baby and things are starting to get back to normal. I just replied to a BIG backlog of PM's about Photons and other NV. I've got the new Photon pre-order special squared away and you can feel free to PM for details if you are interested.

This whole thing is still a big shock to me because I talk to my Sightmark rep 2-3 times a day and I had no idea any new Photons were coming out so soon. Everyone logically wants to know how soon they will be available. The word I got last week was to expect my first order of 4.6x to ship in 30-60 days and the 6.5x could be 30-90 days but they are expecting the 6.5x to be very popular. I'm actually hoping/speculating for shorter delivery dates but those are the official estimates I was given.

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Old 08-25-2014, 06:31 PM   #309
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Ha, I'm first on the list. I get to show the new 6.5x off first... That's if my check don't bounce LOL kidding of course.

Can't wait to get it and try it out.
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Old 08-26-2014, 08:25 AM   #310
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can wait ti get into night pig and varmen hunting myself hope to be set up by time deer season ends this season. getting set up for bow hunting now
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Old 08-26-2014, 03:13 PM   #311
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Had a blast this past weekend and put the photon to work. Friday ran up on a few pigs and confirmed 1 but hit a few more. Didnt have any batteries in my Eotech! dangit. they just....sat there!Name:  uploadfromtaptalk1409080229655.jpg
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The next night after a very long day of setting up a working and setting up a new blind at the pond, we spent a few hours in our newest creating overlooking the pond. Jason hadnt ever looked through a NV before so he picked it up and looked out and low and behold, pigs everywhere. He picked out a big boar and sent him to piggy allah. Then a few minutes later, I got my chance at a small sow. She ended up taking a nap due to a massive headache.

Did not use the IR Illuminator this weekend. Was having trouble with it. But the onboard was sufficient for our stand.

I wish I had an sd card. Sorry guys.

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Old 08-27-2014, 10:09 AM   #312
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What rifle are ur shootong the photon off off chuy
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Old 08-27-2014, 10:12 AM   #313
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Also is the onboard IR good for 100 yards and closer just wondering
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Also is the onboard IR good for 100 yards and closer just wondering
It's fine inside of 100 yards, but you will notice a significant boost with an external. There are images in this thread that compare with and without.
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Old 08-27-2014, 10:57 AM   #315
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It's fine inside of 100 yards, but you will notice a significant boost with an external. There are images in this thread that compare with and without.
My experience is opposite of that. The internal IR stinks. I couldn't see 35 yards with it in the pitch black sticks this past weekend.

Get an external and you can see a long ways. 200+
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Old 08-27-2014, 11:01 AM   #316
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My experience is opposite of that. The internal IR stinks. I couldn't see 35 yards with it in the pitch black sticks this past weekend.

Get an external and you can see a long ways. 200+
Yes, I highly recommend an external light!
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Old 08-27-2014, 01:14 PM   #317
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Anyone use something other than IR to extend visual range with a Photon? I have a ND3 laser that will throw a long distance beam fairly wide. I'm wondering if I could use that until I can justify all I'm about to spend on the scope from Jason. I'm probably going to go with the 6.5 so as not to have that "I could of had better for a few $100 more" regret.

The ND3 hasn't spooked a pig yet but is cumbersome to get the beam tuned to scope at varied distances. My hope would be that I could use it to throw a wide beam and the photon will bring out the detail I can't pick up currently.
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Old 08-27-2014, 01:16 PM   #318
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I have my AR rigged up with the photon 3.5 and IR, and as soon as it came in the hogs have left. I have yet to shoot anything other than paper.
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Old 08-27-2014, 03:41 PM   #319
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I have my photon on my 6.8SPC Ar15.

I did find that the IR illuminator onboard was sufficient for our hunting situation. We have a lot of white sand, so when we hit the Illuminator, it lit up the area just fine. The UNV 20IR was overkill for this application.

HOWEVER, if you dont have a contrasting background for the pigs, the IR light is worth every penny.
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Old 08-27-2014, 05:25 PM   #320
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I have my AR rigged up with the photon 3.5 and IR, and as soon as it came in the hogs have left. I have yet to shoot anything other than paper.

Your IR light spooked the pigs?
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Old 08-27-2014, 08:29 PM   #321
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No, now that I have it all set up the hogs have moved off our place. Go figure!
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Old 08-28-2014, 07:49 AM   #323
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Unless you are shooting 75 YDS plus at night or are only planning on taking 1 shot don't get over 3x power for NV. It's really difficult to reposition a 5x+ scope on a running hog or a sounder for multipig kills.
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Old 08-28-2014, 11:58 AM   #324
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Zen, If my shots will be in the 75-150yd range, likely single shots as they scatter so fast into the brush it would be more luck than skill for me to make another shot most situations. Would I be better served with the 4.6x vs 6.5x? I'm starting to lean towards the 4.6x and possibly a doubler to give more flexability.
Also follow up to my post yesterday does the light have to be IR or would the light from a ND3 laser work to extend range on these types of scopes?
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I would go with the lower magnification if adding a double is an option. At night, everything seems a lot closer. I like 3x a lot for follow up shots. MUCH easier than with a higher magnification, day or night.
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Thanks Chuy. I think I'll go 4.6x to start and if I want more I have the option with a doubler. The one thing I saw on I think the nightvisionguys site was the 4.6x and 6.5x had the same FOV of 7m@100m. I don't pretend to understand the optics beyond whats ahead of the X. The 4.6x has a 42mm and the 6.5x has the 50mm would the larger (I believe lense) make the two have equivalent fov? or was it a typo
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Old 08-28-2014, 01:28 PM   #327
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Concur. If I were to do it all over again I'd never get anything above 3x power. Using a thermal last week in a 2k corn field. The 5x Thermal could easily pick up deer and hogs over 800-1200 yards away. Great for long distance but whe we crawled up to a hog at 100 yards the critter filled half the screen. Which is great for sniping accuracy. But for follow up shots, runners or multi-pig shots 5x is way too much at distances I like to hunt 50 yards or less.

I'm not critical on powered lenses just for my purpose and way of hunting zoom is a no-no.
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Old 08-28-2014, 01:35 PM   #328
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Also as for the IR light. It's going to depend on your hogs. I've learned with high power IR (I am currently using Torch) most critters within 100 YDS will notice faint beam. Even hogs. I try not to use any light source at all. Luckily my Pulsar digitally converts images. Therefore, I know I can turn off all IR at distances of 75 YDS or less and still convert image well enough to shoot. I personally would never use ND3. But that's me.
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Husker, IMO the laser designator would not be a good plan. It's basically a flashlight, which the pigs will clearly identify. That defeats the stealthy purpose of NV. An IR light would serve most needs better, IMO.

However, if your pigs don't mind LD light, it is certainly true that you could use the LD to help the Photon.
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Going with 4.6x, the $ difference will help fund possible future IR and doubler if I find it lacking what I need..or want (which are two totally different things usually).
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Going with 4.6x, the $ difference will help fund possible future IR and doubler if I find it lacking what I need..or want (which are two totally different things usually).

I'm doing the same here!
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I pre ordered my 4.6 today.
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Hey guys I've got a list of the full specs of both new Photon models and I'll be posting them soon. It's on a spread sheet and I've got to find an easy way to post it but I will soon.

Lots of interest in the pre-order specials. If you are wanting to get a new model shoot me a PM for the details.
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Ok I finally got this converted so I could upload it. Here are the specs on both new Photon models in a side by side comparison. This info is straight from Sightmark. I was also informed that the Sightmark CJRK one piece scope mount will not work on the new Photons. A lot of guys are asking if a particular one piece mount will work on them and until I get one in my hands, I just can't say for sure what will and won't work.

Hope this info helps! And if anyone wants info on the special TBH discounted pre-order pricing, shoot me a PM.
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We hunt hogs almost exclusively at night with night vision. When we use thermal it's as a spotter and then NV to shoot. We use IR aiming lasers and night vision compatible Eotechs and Aimpoints.

Before we settled on Gen3 stuff we tried everything from the cheap Gen1 stuff that is barely usable to Pulsar Digisights which are decent with a good moon but are mostly useless on very dark nights without any ambient light due to the diminished visibility and range and the image lag resulting from the time it takes for the unit to gain up the image and project it on the screen.

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Ok I finally got this converted so I could upload it. Here are the specs on both new Photon models in a side by side comparison. This info is straight from Sightmark. I was also informed that the Sightmark CJRK one piece scope mount will not work on the new Photons. A lot of guys are asking if a particular one piece mount will work on them and until I get one in my hands, I just can't say for sure what will and won't work.

Hope this info helps! And if anyone wants info on the special TBH discounted pre-order pricing, shoot me a PM.
That spec sheet is almost but not quite readable. Do you have a little higher-res version or maybe a link to your site?

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Also as for the IR light. It's going to depend on your hogs. I've learned with high power IR (I am currently using Torch) most critters within 100 YDS will notice faint beam. Even hogs. I try not to use any light source at all. Luckily my Pulsar digitally converts images. Therefore, I know I can turn off all IR at distances of 75 YDS or less and still convert image well enough to shoot. I personally would never use ND3. But that's me.
Zen am looking into a photon , I see you are in mckinny area am in the pine woods of northeast texas , what would u suggest to make 100 yard and closer shots on pigs at night, would I need the doublers, and aftermarket IR,s , I have looked through some digital scopes and seems the pine trees and underbrush create a lot of washout. the new scopes lowest power will be almost 5 , and as for the doubler according to Jason they may not accept a doubler, whats your past use in like areas tell u , and could I be served with just scope from factory, according to Jason new models will have a IR that's 30 percent stronger. most of my hunting will be from blinds inside 100 yards thanks man
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I have my photon on my 6.8SPC Ar15.

I did find that the IR illuminator onboard was sufficient for our hunting situation. We have a lot of white sand, so when we hit the Illuminator, it lit up the area just fine. The UNV 20IR was overkill for this application.

HOWEVER, if you dont have a contrasting background for the pigs, the IR light is worth every penny.
great chun I am planning on putting my scope on a bushmaster 6.8, is it putting hogs down well, just got my 6.8 last spring not really hunted with it yet. u got 6.8 as a deicated night rifle , or are you also using in daylight , if so do u use quick release mounts or other setup , thanks for any advice.
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I'm sitting in my truck, looking over a tank about 60 yds away.

Photon is ready
Ar15 is locked and loaded

Wind in my face and corn is out.

200 lb boar killed yesterday...same spot...caught in the trap.
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Old 08-31-2014, 04:26 AM   #343
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That spec sheet is almost but not quite readable. Do you have a little higher-res version or maybe a link to your site?

Let me check on that after church when I'm in front of my laptop. It was plenty big on my laptop yesterday when I posted it but it's very small using Tapatalk on my iPhone. Weird? I'll see what I can figure out, sorry!


Also, Bearhunter mentioned something I told him on the phone on Friday and I've been meaning to mention it in this thread. A lot of guys have mentioned to me that they are going to buy the the 4.6x and use a doubler for long range. After talking to Sightmark there is no guarantee that a doubler can be attached to the new Photon models. Again, I have yet to see the new models so I can't say for myself but at least one person at Soghtmark who was holding one in his hand while talking to me said he doubted a doubler would attach. To be clear, that might be bad info, but I just don't want anyone to make a purchase with the assumption they will be able to attach a doubler. Also, even if it will accept a doubler, I guess it is up to UNV to decide if they want to make one for it, if it requires a different coupler.

I am supposed to be getting more info soon and I'll post up when I get some details. There is still a lot of wild speculation since no one has seen the new models yet.
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Old 08-31-2014, 02:54 PM   #344
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would I need the doublers, and aftermarket IR,s , I have looked through some digital scopes and seems the pine trees and underbrush create a lot of washout. the new scopes lowest power will be almost 5 , and as for the doubler according to Jason they may not accept a doubler, whats your past use in like areas
I hunted with a friend who had the 3x Photon. I was impressed by onboard IR but I really like my Torch (after market IR) for scouting purposes beyond 100 yards.

In most cases 20%+ moon I don't use IR under 75 yards when hunting. I'm convinced hogs pick up beam. But I use IR to scout longer distances 100 yards+.

Wash out is going to be a problem with any digital type NV. That's why I choose not to hunt with it. Especially when your IR picks up your AR gas discharge. When scouting longer distances you can at least pick up glowing eyes to go investigate.

I'm currently investigating a thermal. I will "never" get a NV beyond 3x power. But this is me. Next time I'm in Mineola or Grand Saline I'll let you play with my gear to help you understand why.
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Old 09-01-2014, 12:52 AM   #346
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So if the new 4.6 will not accept a doubler would it be better to go with the larger one? Most of my shots would be around 100 yds but my property is 390 acres and there are places (hay field) where you could take 200 to 300 yd. Shots. Just thinking myabe it's better to have it and not need it then need it and not have it. Opinions appreciated.
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Old 09-01-2014, 10:29 AM   #347
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Thanks zen would luv to look through yer set up. as for scouting do u use a scouting scope or youer rifle scope
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Old 09-01-2014, 11:46 PM   #348
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Killswitch, my opinion is this.....4.6x is great for 100 yards or less. Reaching out to 150-200+ having the higher magnification is really nice. The problem is 6.5x is a pretty high magnification for under 75 yards or so. It can actually be way too much for shots under 50 yards. I think the 4.6x is probably a better all around choice, if you plan on making closer shots. There is a chance you can add a doubler (just have to wait and see) so that would offer you the best of both worlds. For the guys who plan on making a lot of longer shots, the 6.5x is the logical choice.
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Old 09-01-2014, 11:48 PM   #349
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Let me try posting the specs again for both new Photon XT's. Let me know if this is better......


http://site.outdoorlegacygear.com/ho...Comparison.pdf

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Old 09-02-2014, 07:48 AM   #350
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Let me try posting the specs again for both new Photon XT's. Let me know if this is better......


http://site.outdoorlegacygear.com/ho...Comparison.pdf

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That's perfect, Jason. Thanks!
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