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Old 03-25-2020, 08:18 PM   #1
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Corona Virus 2020

As of today their has been 65,564 confirmed cases in the USA. 929 deaths.

Country has come to dang near complete shut down. crashed economy and untold numbers of people loosing their jobs.

Swine Flu 2009/2010 their was 60.8 MILLION confirmed case in the USA. 12,469 deaths.

Now, I ask that you review those numbers again,,,,absorb those numbers, memorize those numbers.

I do not recall the country coming to a complete shut down during the swine flu pandemic, do you?

Just some further number facts for comparison;

Average number of abortions in the USA 600,000

Average number of deaths per year due to drunk driving 10,000

Is it just me or have we lost our ever living minds?
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Old 03-25-2020, 08:23 PM   #2
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By your numbers, Corona is much more deadly than Swine Flu. And I'm willing to bet a large number of those 65,564 people aren't out of the woods yet.
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By your numbers, Corona is much more deadly than Swine Flu. And I'm willing to bet a large number of those 65,564 people aren't out of the woods yet.
And there are hundreds of thousands that have gone untested with mild symptoms or none at all.

That fatality rate is a statistical testing flaw.
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And there are hundreds of thousands that have gone untested with mild symptoms or none at all.

That fatality rate is a statistical testing flaw.

But that somehow didnít happen with swine flu? Itís all relative.
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https://thefederalist.com/2020/03/25...sed-lockdowns/

in case you missed it...wish we would follow the yearly flu numbers like this. Perspective. Nothing to mess with but I'll bet the final numbers show us it wasn't worth the cure & glad to eat crow if I'm wrong but don't think we will reach Swine Flu deaths #'s. It's a gamble on my part since Italy is over half way there but I'm betting it's about to flatten out & a hopeful cure in about two weeks. Just a wag.
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35000 are killed and over 3 million injured every year in automobile accidents yet we are building freeways constantly. Shut down the roads emergency!
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But that somehow didn’t happen with swine flu? It’s all relative.
Those numbers for swine flu are from 2009/2010 after all of the testing was said and done (historical data). Once the numbers for COVID are out in late 2020/2021 it’s going to show us that this has been a load of crock.

C’mon man, think about it a bit.
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35000 are killed and over 3 million injured every year in automobile accidents yet we are building freeways constantly. Shut down the roads emergency!
Hows your Brother and Niece doing? I've been keeping them , you and your entire family in my prayers.
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Those numbers for swine flu are from 2009/2010 after all of the testing was said and done (historical data). Once the numbers for COVID are out in late 2020/2021 itís going to show us that this has been a load of crock.

Címon man, think about it a bit.
And if it doesn't, what will the excuse be then? Were the numbers this skewed in the early months of swine flu?
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https://thefederalist.com/2020/03/25...sed-lockdowns/

in case you missed it...wish we would follow the yearly flu numbers like this. Perspective. Nothing to mess with but I'll bet the final numbers show us it wasn't worth the cure & glad to eat crow if I'm wrong but don't think we will reach Swine Flu deaths #'s. It's a gamble on my part since Italy is over half way there but I'm betting it's about to flatten out & a hopeful cure in about two weeks. Just a wag.
I did miss it. Thank you for sharing and bringing it to my attention.
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And if it doesn't, what will the excuse be then? Were the numbers this skewed in the early months of swine flu?
The numbers presented for the swine flu are the numbers after it was all said and done. Grant it, corona or covid 19 numbers are still being tallied by the day. Could they exceed the swine flu pandemic, possibly, but we won't know the true numbers until it's all said and done.

The point I'm attempting to present is, we did not shut down a country or globe for that matter during the swine flu pandemic. We don't shut down our freeways and roads due to drunk driving deaths. We don't shut down because of abortions, common Flu and any other disease that could cause death.

This whole crisis is being blown out of proportion, imo.
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Those numbers for swine flu are from 2009/2010 after all of the testing was said and done (historical data). Once the numbers for COVID are out in late 2020/2021 itís going to show us that this has been a load of crock.

Címon man, think about it a bit.
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And if it doesn't, what will the excuse be then? Were the numbers this skewed in the early months of swine flu?
If anyone thinks, after shutting down the Country, they will release true numbers that show how stupid they all were then well....You need to wake up.
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If anyone thinks, after shutting down the Country, they will release true numbers that show how stupid they all were then well....You need to wake up.
and adding 6 trillion dollars to an already huge debt load.
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By your numbers, Corona is much more deadly than Swine Flu. And I'm willing to bet a large number of those 65,564 people aren't out of the woods yet.
Certainly is not any proof that is accurate
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And if it doesn't, what will the excuse be then? Were the numbers this skewed in the early months of swine flu?

If they include the ILI index from cdc starting in december your fatality rates will plummet to very low. This is being exaggerated for whatever reason.


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If anyone thinks, after shutting down the Country, they will release true numbers that show how stupid they all were then well....You need to wake up.

Excellent point. They will headline numbers to show they made right decisions. Shock and awe. I say we peak on March 28 to 30 in the US.


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Allow me to introduce some statistics

Corona Virus 2020

As of today their has been 65,564 confirmed cases in the USA. 929 deaths.

Country has come to dang near complete shut down. crashed economy and untold numbers of people loosing their jobs.

Swine Flu 2009/2010 their was 60.8 MILLION confirmed case in the USA. 12,469 deaths.

Now, I ask that you review those numbers again,,,,absorb those numbers, memorize those numbers.

I do not recall the country coming to a complete shut down during the swine flu pandemic, do you?

Just some further number facts for comparison;

Average number of abortions in the USA 600,000

Average number of deaths per year due to drunk driving 10,000

Is it just me or have we lost our ever living minds?

If we arenít back to some sort of normalcy by mid May then itís going to be really bad.


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Those numbers for swine flu are from 2009/2010 after all of the testing was said and done (historical data). Once the numbers for COVID are out in late 2020/2021 itís going to show us that this has been a load of crock.

Címon man, think about it a bit.

Iíve thought from the beginning that the true # of infected/exposed people in the US is many times higher than whatís being estimated. It has to be.
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If we arenít back to some sort of normalcy by 1st week of April then itís going to be really bad.


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Old 03-26-2020, 05:46 AM   #21
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Allow me to introduce some statistics

Corona Virus 2020

As of today their has been 65,564 confirmed cases in the USA. 929 deaths.

Country has come to dang near complete shut down. crashed economy and untold numbers of people loosing their jobs.

Swine Flu 2009/2010 their was 60.8 MILLION confirmed case in the USA. 12,469 deaths.

Now, I ask that you review those numbers again,,,,absorb those numbers, memorize those numbers.

I do not recall the country coming to a complete shut down during the swine flu pandemic, do you?

Just some further number facts for comparison;

Average number of abortions in the USA 600,000

Average number of deaths per year due to drunk driving 10,000

Is it just me or have we lost our ever living minds?
That was last night. This morning it is 69,197 cases, 1046 deaths,
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That was last night. This morning it is 69,197 cases, 1046 deaths,
Still not even close to the numbers for swine flu and we didn't shut down the country or have mass hysteria during swine flu like we are today.
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Still not even close to the numbers for swine flu and we didn't shut down the country or have mass hysteria during swine flu like we are today.
The problem is now, every death is gonna be reported as Covid-19 related.
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One half will say,”Look, the lockdown helped”. The other will say “Look, we didn’t need to do this, it wasn’t that bad”. I don’t know the answer, but plenty of TBHers obviously do. Lol.
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One half will say,ĒLook, the lockdown helpedĒ. The other will say ďLook, we didnít need to do this, it wasnít that badĒ. I donít know the answer, but plenty of TBHers obviously do. Lol.
Exactly. The only option where both sides don't claim victory is a massive amount of deaths before this is over. If it turns out to be mild compared to predictions, everyone from all sides will say; "see, told you".
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The truth of the matter is Italy and Spain did not do a lock down until they realized how fast it was spreading. (Link for number of cases and mortality and populations)

Italy has 60.5M people,
74,386 cases (.12 % of population) and
7,503 deaths (10.1% mortality) (btw - Italy has stopped reporting.)

Spain has 46.7M people
56,188 cases (.12% of population) and
4,089 deaths (7.3% mortality)

The US has 331M people
68,802 cases (0.0002% of the population) and
1,037 deaths (1.5% mortality)

Is social distancing working to slow the spread? It sure looks like it. Either that or we have the best health care and sanitation system in the world.

Do I agree with shutting everything down? No, but if that is the way to enforce social distancing since some idiots don't get it, then unfortunately, do it. Do I agree with $1200 per person aid package? No. I think only the people who lost money by the way of lost hours or business should get help. Personally, I haven't lost a thing. I believe the vast majority of the US is the same. Lots and lots of people working from home.

Predictive modeling makes too many assumptions.
There are way too many people pretending to be health care scientists.
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Still not even close to the numbers for swine flu and we didn't shut down the country or have mass hysteria during swine flu like we are today.
The swine flu from 4/12/09 thru 4/10/10 caused 12,469 deaths. This was over a period of a year.

The first covid-19 death was Feb 29, as of today (3/26/2020) the death toll is 1029. This is a period of 1 month and the toll is still climbing.

How do you compare the numbers from a 1 year period to the numbers from a year period? At this point we don't know if the covid numbers are going to be more or less than the swine flu numbers.
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The swine flu from 4/12/09 thru 4/10/10 caused 12,469 deaths. This was over a period of a year.

The first covid-19 death was Feb 29, as of today (3/26/2020) the death toll is 1029. This is a period of 1 month and the toll is still climbing.

How do you compare the numbers from a 1 year period to the numbers from a year period? At this point we don't know if the covid numbers are going to be more or less than the swine flu numbers.
True, hard to compare numbers with incomplete data. Not hard to see they are trying to limit the spread of this since they don't want a repeat of the deaths caused by Swine Flu.


On January 15, 2010, the CDC released new estimate figures for swine flu, saying it has sickened about 55 million Americans and killed about 11,160 from April through mid-December.[130] On February 12, 2010, the CDC released updated estimate figures for swine flu, reporting that, in total, 57 million Americans had been sickened, 257,000 had been hospitalised and 11,690 people had died (including 1,180 children) due to swine flu from April through to mid-January.
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One half will say,ĒLook, the lockdown helpedĒ. The other will say ďLook, we didnít need to do this, it wasnít that badĒ. I donít know the answer, but plenty of TBHers obviously do. Lol.
Look real close at who those people are.

One group uses non-emotional knowledge and facts.
The other gets information off TV and is scared crapless.

I'm not claiming to be an expert as the resident @#@ TBHers say..Just that I kept up with it. It's not hard to keep up with it. Just read.
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The truth of the matter is Italy and Spain did not do a lock down until they realized how fast it was spreading. (Link for number of cases and mortality and populations)

Italy has 60.5M people,
74,386 cases (.12 % of population) and
7,503 deaths (10.1% mortality) (btw - Italy has stopped reporting.)

Spain has 46.7M people
56,188 cases (.12% of population) and
4,089 deaths (7.3% mortality)

The US has 331M people
68,802 cases (0.0002% of the population) and
1,037 deaths (1.5% mortality)

Is social distancing working to slow the spread? It sure looks like it. Either that or we have the best health care and sanitation system in the world.

Predictive modeling makes too many assumptions.
There are way too many people pretending to be health care scientists.
Or the US already peaked months ago. It's the Flu. You can't contain it.
Follow the increase in confirmed cases and it goes hand in hand with increase in testing. That alone should prove it's not expanding near as fast as doom and gloomers say it is.
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The swine flu from 4/12/09 thru 4/10/10 caused 12,469 deaths. This was over a period of a year.

The first covid-19 death was Feb 29, as of today (3/26/2020) the death toll is 1029. This is a period of 1 month and the toll is still climbing.

How do you compare the numbers from a 1 year period to the numbers from a year period? At this point we don't know if the covid numbers are going to be more or less than the swine flu numbers.
What I'm asking is did we hyper ventilate and close down our country and the global economy back during the swine flu pandemic like we are now? If memory serves me correctly, we did not. So why now?
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I'm way more afraid of some dingbat texting while driving and I see it every time I am driving anywhere. If I am at a stop light and there are 10 cars there at least half of them are on a cell phone doing something.
Distracted driving is dangerous, claiming 2,841 lives in 2018 alone. Among those killed: 1,730 drivers, 605 passengers, 400 pedestrians and 77 bicyclists.

I had rather take my chances with Covid-19. Seems like I have better odds.
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I am also concerned about what is going on and like most, I think common sense, practical hygiene and social distancing for those most at risk is the most prudent things we can do and hopefully it wonít linger long.

But just a little perspective and perhaps off topic. I have lost all 4 grandparents to cancer (3 of them well before their time), my dad is fighting it now, and my daughter had cancer from age 18 months to 8 years old (three years now cancer free)! We diagnosed over 1.7mil new cases in 2018, over 609,000 deaths in 2018 which is over 1600 per day in the United States. Why in the world have we never declared a state of emergency against this disease. Again, sorry for the rant, just been bugging me.
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