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Old 09-11-2018, 10:52 PM   #1
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Iíve seen a picture of the Texans kneeling about 5 times in different media sources this week. How did the Texans get this notoriety?
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Old 09-11-2018, 11:04 PM   #2
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Just stop giving them attention. They are getting free advertising. Was it ever this year?
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Old 09-11-2018, 11:13 PM   #3
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My guess is they were pics taken out of context. I only remember them standing last year. If anyone wants to try that near JJ Watt...they'd better be tough...


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Maybe it was an old picture but I’ve seen the same picture about 5 times this week on the national news.

In regards to JJ what public statement has he ever made against those kneeling?
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Old 09-11-2018, 11:25 PM   #5
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My guess is they were pics taken out of context. I only remember them standing last year. If anyone wants to try that near JJ Watt...they'd better be tough...


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Really?
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Really?


Clarify?

I don't remember the Texans team kneeling last year, but I didn't see all of their games.

JJ being the leader of that team, I don't imagine they would start now.


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Clarify?

I don't remember the Texans team kneeling last year, but I didn't see all of their games.

JJ being the leader of that team, I don't imagine they would start now.


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They did. Just type in Houston Texans kneeling and select images in your search engine. You will see lots of photos. As far as JJ last year I have not heard him say anything negative towards those doing it - nothing.
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That is news to me, and disappointing.

FYI I'm not a Texans fan.


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Cowboys donít kneel. Just saying


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Old 09-12-2018, 07:22 AM   #10
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Thats because Jerry told them if they did hed drop then faster than a bad habit!
All owners of the teams should be that way! havent watched a nfl game in 2 years dont care to now!
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Old 09-12-2018, 07:32 AM   #11
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https://amp.usatoday.com/amp/37765587

I have only seen pics of the Texans kneeling from last year. Supposedly this is the only two guys that knelt on opening Sunday. Either way... my interest level is extremely low.
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Old 09-12-2018, 07:35 AM   #12
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I’d bet the news scum will snap a photo mid-game and report it as kneeling in support of “the cause”.
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Anyone kneeling during the national anthem or is offended by the American Flag is NOT an American. They are communist garbage and should b run out of this country for the rest of their sorry pos life.
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Old 09-12-2018, 09:43 AM   #14
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Anyone kneeling during the national anthem or is offended by the American Flag is NOT an American. They are communist garbage and should b run out of this country for the rest of their sorry pos life.
Incorrect -- they are well within their legal rights to do so as Americans -- you just don't agree with them, snowflake.
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Old 09-12-2018, 09:56 AM   #15
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Nope , not a snowflake numbnuts. If they don't believe what the flag stands for they are communists.
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Nope , not a snowflake numbnuts. If they don't believe what the flag stands for they are communists.
Why communists, specifically?
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Old 09-12-2018, 10:12 AM   #17
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Incorrect -- they are well within their legal rights to do so as Americans -- you just don't agree with them, snowflake.
Dude, I just spit coffee on my screen. Funny, short and to the point.
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Old 09-12-2018, 10:21 AM   #18
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Not sure what you are if you don't vote though.

Communism:
a political theory derived from Karl Marx, advocating class war and leading to a society in which all property is publicly owned and each person works and is paid according to their abilities and needs.

Democracy:
a system of government by the whole population or all the eligible members of a state, typically through elected representatives.

Freedom of speech:
What Does Free Speech Mean?

Among other cherished values, the First Amendment protects freedom of speech. The U.S. Supreme Court often has struggled to determine what exactly constitutes protected speech. The following are examples of speech, both direct (words) and symbolic (actions), that the Court has decided are either entitled to First Amendment protections, or not.

The First Amendment states, in relevant part, that:

“Congress shall make no law...abridging freedom of speech.”

Freedom of speech includes the right:

Not to speak (specifically, the right not to salute the flag).
West Virginia Board of Education v. Barnette, 319 U.S. 624 (1943).
Of students to wear black armbands to school to protest a war (“Students do not shed their constitutional rights at the schoolhouse gate.”).
Tinker v. Des Moines, 393 U.S. 503 (1969).
To use certain offensive words and phrases to convey political messages.
Cohen v. California, 403 U.S. 15 (1971).
To contribute money (under certain circumstances) to political campaigns.
Buckley v. Valeo, 424 U.S. 1 (1976).
To advertise commercial products and professional services (with some restrictions).
Virginia Board of Pharmacy v. Virginia Consumer Council, 425 U.S. 748 (1976); Bates v. State Bar of Arizona, 433 U.S. 350 (1977).
To engage in symbolic speech, (e.g., burning the flag in protest).
Texas v. Johnson, 491 U.S. 397 (1989); United States v. Eichman, 496 U.S. 310 (1990).
Freedom of speech does not include the right:

To incite actions that would harm others (e.g., “[S]hout[ing] ‘fire’ in a crowded theater.”).
Schenck v. United States, 249 U.S. 47 (1919).
To make or distribute obscene materials.
Roth v. United States, 354 U.S. 476 (1957).
To burn draft cards as an anti-war protest.
United States v. O’Brien, 391 U.S. 367 (1968).
To permit students to print articles in a school newspaper over the objections of the school administration.
Hazelwood School District v. Kuhlmeier, 484 U.S. 260 (1988).
Of students to make an obscene speech at a school-sponsored event.
Bethel School District #43 v. Fraser, 478 U.S. 675 (1986).
Of students to advocate illegal drug use at a school-sponsored event.
Morse v. Frederick, __ U.S. __ (2007).
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Old 09-12-2018, 10:45 AM   #19
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You may have the right to kneel but as a team owner, I have the right to cut you. Employers can provide restrictions on the speech and actions of their employees and do so every day. I also have the right to not watch the game until the anthem has concluded or to bypass watching the game entirely. I for one find it a reach to link kneeling during the anthem with police violence and race inequality. I see it as being disrespectful to the men and women who died to keep us free and it my right to see it that way.
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Old 09-12-2018, 10:53 AM   #20
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Certainly well within their rights to kneel and spew whatever ridiculous cause they think they are protesting for by doing so. Having said that, they are at work and their bosses can fire them for protesting on the clock. Sad that the NFL has chosen to let a few players ruin a favorite Sunday event for millions of Americans.
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Old 09-12-2018, 11:02 AM   #21
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Oh great...another one of these threads where we say the same **** over and over and over...just like the others...Woohoo!

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Easy now, I dont think they are communists...just a big pile of steaming dog ****. That sounds much better.
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Old 09-12-2018, 11:11 AM   #23
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Oh great...another one of these threads where we say the same **** over and over and over...just like the others...Woohoo!
I have yet to see one of these threads change one's opinion or thoughts, just saying, carry on.
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Old 09-12-2018, 11:16 AM   #24
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I'm sick of this debate. I think it proper to stand and show respect when the anthem is played and it used to make me mad when people did not show that respect. But last year, my daughter had the honor of interviewing several medal of honor winners and she asked them what they thought of this. The answers they gave surprised me and I have since had bit of a change in the way I look at it. They all said they think people should show respect, but they fought for our freedom and that means even the people that don't have the same views as we do. They fought for so people would have freedom of speech and the right to protest. I still think its stupid to do, but this did make me think about it.
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Easy now, I dont think they are communists...just a big pile of steaming dog ****. That sounds much better.

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Incorrect -- they are well within their legal rights to do so as Americans -- you just don't agree with them, snowflake.
Wouldn't that make you the snowflake since he is obviously American
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Only time a player should kneel on the field is on a kick-off deep in the end zone .

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Thats because Jerry told them if they did hed drop then faster than a bad habit!
All owners of the teams should be that way! havent watched a nfl game in 2 years dont care to now!
Jerry kneeled with them one game last year.
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Jerry kneeled with them one game last year.


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To a degree...

He did take a knee with the whole team. But, it was before the anthem.
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Wouldn't that make you the snowflake since he is obviously American
Your small minded ignorance never ceases to confound me.
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To a degree...

He did take a knee with the whole team. But, it was before the anthem.
He knows that but the media likes portraying it like he stated in post 3.
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As an army veteran with two tours in Viet Nam and having spent the last 40+ years in either State or Federal law enforcement I will defend your 1st Amendment rights in my official capacity to the death if necessary. However in a private arena I am sure I would say or do something particularly stupid.
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Really surprised to see this is still a topic of conversation....
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As far as I am aware the Texans did take a knee during one game and it wasnt all of them. As for the team kneeling it was around mid season and it was a reaction to the owner Bob McNairs comments from an Owners meeting in New York he made that got out to the public, ''SUPPOSED TO BE CONFIDENTIAL''. He said something about the Inmates Running the Prison. I did stop watching them and I was highly disappointed in them for it. I am a nice guy so I am giving them another chance so I will be watching when I can this year. Heres one of the links about the issue.
http://www.businessinsider.com/houst...omment-2017-10.
Personally I dont agree with the platform/situation the players are using to do this. I have lost many friends and family members who have fought and died for the flag, including LEO's, Firefighters, Ems etc. As a 13yr vet it ****** me off. On the flip side that is what we defend, the right for free speech. As much as these players (any sport) make and the privileges/status they are awarded there are many other ways to accomplish what they want without kneeling during the National Anthem. Imagine if each player used their status to visit the City they play for and the one they are from to make changes in a more professional manor what they could accomplish. There are 32 teams each with a 53 man roster, thats 1696 communities from which the players are from(if all from a different community) plus the one they play for. They should be able to make the changes they want by going that route if that is their true intention besides just getting attention for something.
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They spent enough time on the ground last Sunday.
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Old 09-12-2018, 08:06 PM   #41
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I have no issue with them kneeling as long as they place their hand over their hart, or helmet or.. Mostly as long as it is in gratitude for those who have fallen to give the right as Americans we all have.
If it happens during the anthem for anything else, someone should come along and give a swift kick to attention!
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