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Old 03-20-2018, 03:46 PM   #1
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I am going to make a really long story short as possible . We bought a house a year ago, the guy that owned it bought all 15 acres ,kept 5 and sold us 10 that had a little house. He has never lived there. I found out he bought this whole set up for that 5 acres only cash money. Very wealthy. We have since found out that the purchase of that 5 acres was only to load up for a min of 4 months out of the year with bee boxes. He is a huge bee keeper. We live at our house for I would say half the year being miserable. We are trying to adopt a child and the cps workers are already visiting and not liking what there seeing. I have reached out to this business for over a year with luck one time. Short rude conversation basically saying thanks for calling and hung up. I was as nice as possible also asking for help. These bees swarm our house from dusk to dawn. Attacking us, my dogs wont go outside, harming our camper and vehicles constantly with bee poop , have to wash all the time. They don't want to meet with us or help or have no care in the world for others besides the money there making.


So we have filed police reports, ive been attacked and laid up in bed for 3 days straight like the flu because im highly allergic , same with my wife. We have contacted several lawyers and they act like were crazy. Everyone we have spoken with is no help and not sure what to do.


Is there anyone on here that is a lawyer that can give us advice, How do we not have a leg to stand on? The bee problem is only the minute the off load boxes next door. They never disclosed this when we bought the property , does that not matter? I mean this could eventually be life threating to someone possibly. I am looking for some good bow hunter advice or help. I know some people may be big into bees and love our house but its just not for us and I feel like we shouldn't be the ones to have to pack up and move since we love our house but at this point it may be our only choice by the end of this year and just disclose to the buyer that if they don't love bees for at least 4 months straight out of the year don't buy this home. Any help is appreciated.

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Old 03-20-2018, 04:00 PM   #2
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I would surely think or hope that if somebody put something like that on their property and they were causing you harm or harassing you on your own property that you would have a foot to stand on. Especially 10 acres. It's not like you're in half acre plots and it's inevitable. Hopefully somebody here can help you out because that sucks.
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Accidental grass fire maybe. But, I would hope that there would be a safe guard for situations like this.
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I don't think it would be too hard to substantially reduce the bee population in the area if you wanted to. As you know the bees leave out of his property and come to yours searching for food. There are many different insecticides that are highly toxic to bees.
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Old 03-20-2018, 04:28 PM   #5
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http://learningbeekeeping.com/beekee...-law-in-texas/

This may bee helpful.

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I was thinking the flamethrower that was sold on here would be more helpful
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Pyrethrin Dust. Put up a feeding station and workers will carry back to hive
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I don't think it would be too hard to substantially reduce the bee population in the area if you wanted to. As you know the bees leave out of his property and come to yours searching for food. There are many different insecticides that are highly toxic to bees.
Seven (Sevin?) dust is one possibility
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Pyrethrin Dust. Put up a feeding station and workers will carry back to hive
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Old 03-20-2018, 05:01 PM   #11
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Then his neighbor will be calling the lawyer!
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Old 03-20-2018, 05:01 PM   #12
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I was thinking the flamethrower that was sold on here would be more helpful
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Old 03-20-2018, 05:14 PM   #13
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Your county or city may have ordinance concerning animal nuisance.
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Old 03-20-2018, 05:18 PM   #14
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Then his neighbor will be calling the lawyer!
For killing bees that are harassing him on his own property?
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Old 03-20-2018, 05:25 PM   #15
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Old 03-20-2018, 09:13 PM   #16
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Start raising bee eaters (birds)

I don't think you can legally make them move (unless there is some law or ordinance)

I also think you could trap or kill them on your own place with no consequences

Bees are not doing well so maybe talk to a bee keeper to find ways to discourage them

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The threat of anaphylactic shock for you and your wife would make me lose any empathy towards the neighbor.

Bees are doing poorly but I ain't dying for insects survival. I'd do anything to destroy those that come onto my property.
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Old 03-20-2018, 10:20 PM   #18
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Spray Bifen XT , on your yard, house, driveway everywhere. You will not see a single bee for 6 weeks after that. As a matter of fact you won't see any bug. Ants, mosquitos, spiders over 200 insects! If you spray your house there well be wasp or mud dobber nests either. https://www.amazon.com/Bifen-Insecti...qLYLLUD_VqFy6O

$33 bucks for 3/4 of a gallon. Spray at 1 tsp per gallon.
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Old 03-20-2018, 10:38 PM   #19
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*Obligatory disclaimer - I'm not giving you actual legal advice and you're not my client.* Under Texas law, nuisance is a “condition that substantially interferes with the use and enjoyment of land by causing unreasonable discomfort or annoyance to persons of ordinary sensibilities attempting to use and enjoy it.”
That said, if your neighbor is wealthy he can probably afford to defend a lawsuit and could make if very expensive for you to sue him. I'd recommend you do some research and find an attorney that specializes in property law and set up a consult. It will cost some money but it would probably be more fruitful than posting here.
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Four or five honey bears ought to be enough to police five acres.
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*Obligatory disclaimer - I'm not giving you actual legal advice and you're not my client.* Under Texas law, nuisance is a “condition that substantially interferes with the use and enjoyment of land by causing unreasonable discomfort or annoyance to persons of ordinary sensibilities attempting to use and enjoy it.”
That said, if your neighbor is wealthy he can probably afford to defend a lawsuit and could make if very expensive for you to sue him. I'd recommend you do some research and find an attorney that specializes in property law and set up a consult. It will cost some money but it would probably be more fruitful than posting here.

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Old 03-21-2018, 04:31 AM   #22
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I have to say I believe the bees do more good than bad. I love the bees that are on my land great for all the plants in my garden and fruit trees and berries.
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I have to say I believe the bees do more good than bad. I love the bees that are on my land great for all the plants in my garden and fruit trees and berries.
Seriously......if that's your takeaway from this discussion, then you missed the whole point of the OP's post entirely

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Old 03-21-2018, 06:21 AM   #24
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Sorry, texaslammer, I don't have any advice but your question did help me get a possible answer to my insect problem.

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Spray Bifen XT , on your yard, house, driveway everywhere. You will not see a single bee for 6 weeks after that. As a matter of fact you won't see any bug. Ants, mosquitos, spiders over 200 insects! If you spray your house there well be wasp or mud dobber nests either. https://www.amazon.com/Bifen-Insecti...qLYLLUD_VqFy6O

$33 bucks for 3/4 of a gallon. Spray at 1 tsp per gallon.
This is what came up on Amazon. Are any of these what you're talking about?
I need to get rid of spiders and stuff in my barndo.
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Seriously......if that's your takeaway from this discussion, then you missed the whole point of the OP's post entirely
He misses a LOT!
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Your post is a little hard to read/understand but something’s not right with the bees. The property my shop is on has several hives and the one next door does too. The two areas with hives are about 50 yards apart and I walk between and around them all the time, including with my dog, wife, kid, in laws, etc. I’ve never been swarmed or stung by a bee, and the only time I notice one up by my shop is when they’re looking for a drink of water.

Is this literally 5 acres of land covered with a beehive every few feet, like thousands of hives?

As other people have said, there’s nothing that would prevent you from treating your own land to repel them. I wouldn’t intentionally put out a poisoned water tank, but spraying your property with a general insecticide is normal practice.

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Sorry, texaslammer, I don't have any advice but your question did help me get a possible answer to my insect problem.



This is what came up on Amazon. Are any of these what you're talking about?
I need to get rid of spiders and stuff in my barndo.
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He misses a LOT!
Yes, get the 96 oz bottle on the far right. Best deal by far. It will be the answer to your insect problem. I spray mine with a Chapin g362 hose end sprayer set at 1 tsp per gallon. I can do an entire 1/4 acre with less than 8 oz.
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Old 03-21-2018, 07:03 AM   #27
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If you burn trash or brush or anything else and you have a neighbor that has asthma and they have an attack you are liable. When I was with the fire marshall's office we arrested a person for this. I see no difference in your situation
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Pressure washer with good soapy water and have at them like a flame thrower.... Or, maybe get with a different bee keeper and have him come and set up hives with queens and catch them all and haul away somewhere else?
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Yes, get the 96 oz bottle on the far right. Best deal by far. It will be the answer to your insect problem. I spray mine with a Chapin g362 hose end sprayer set at 1 tsp per gallon. I can do an entire 1/4 acre with less than 8 oz.
Can you spray inside the house as well?
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Sell and move is going to be your best option.
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I read that the Biffen is lethal to dogs and cats, as well.
Samson, do you have pets ... any issues with them?
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I would put a HEAVY dose of seven dust in my yard for the flea problem. Preferably when the wind is high in the correct direction to address the flea problem
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/grumble....

bunch of freaking bee weirdos.

I'll torch their little striped asses in a heartbeat.
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the people that live across the fence form me have martin houses and bird house I may not like birds they fly over my cars and poop on them and eat my chicken feed, they eat the fruit on my trees and garden plants its just life.
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HAve not read all the post but go the legal route. Bees are protected and can cause you a lot of trouble with the ag department. I know from experience when I sprayed some Crape myrtles and they had bees across the road and a hive died. They came knocking on the door!
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the people that live across the fence form me have martin houses and bird house I may not like birds they fly over my cars and poop on them and eat my chicken feed, they eat the fruit on my trees and garden plants its just life.
Could the martin's bite put you into anaphylactic shock?

There's quite a difference in annoying and life threatening.
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If the bees are aggressive they may be Africanized or he is not changing queens out often enough.

When we had bees we changed queens every 4 years or so to keep them from becoming aggressive.

Well managed European bees are pretty docile.

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HAve not read all the post but go the legal route. Bees are protected and can cause you a lot of trouble with the ag department. I know from experience when I sprayed some Crape myrtles and they had bees across the road and a hive died. They came knocking on the door!
Say what?
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Old 03-22-2018, 10:42 AM   #39
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I would hang up 2 or 3 good bug zappers. They'll quickly fill up with dead bees, so it's a good idea to cut the bottoms out so they can fall to the ground. You can leave them on 24/7, especially in a shady area. Beekeeping supply places sell bee attractants, which makes them work even better.
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/grumble....

bunch of freaking bee weirdos.

I'll torch their little striped asses in a heartbeat.
I understand the OPs concern, but most don't realize the impact bees have on our lives, and the rate at which they are dissapearing, due to a toxic enviroment.
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I read that the Biffen is lethal to dogs and cats, as well.
Samson, do you have pets ... any issues with them?
I do have a golden retriever. As long as you don't let them outside until it's dry, there are no adverse effects. I've been spraying 3 years and he's still healthy as can be.
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I would of been solved that issue. Also I'd ask to have this thread erased.
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If the bees are aggressive they may be Africanized or he is not changing queens out often enough.

When we had bees we changed queens every 4 years or so to keep them from becoming aggressive.

Well managed European bees are pretty docile.



This is correct in my opinion.

OP, to your question, I would take jbw’s advice.
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Old 04-19-2018, 07:23 AM   #44
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This is a weird one. I have had known lots of people with bee hives...they are never any real problem unless you mess with them. Hell my Uncle used to rob his without a bee suit or any smoke. I have a son-in-law that as a truck drive has hauls bee hives. The leave Texas and head to Montana, then from there to California, then from there to the Valley, then back to Caddo Mills. They do this every year. The fact that you are highly allergic really is not the other guys fault is it?

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Old 04-19-2018, 07:28 AM   #45
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No its not his fault, what is his fault is that my vehicles are covered in bee poop and that my dogs cant go outside with out getting stung and attacked and always a 50 percent chance that me and my wife get stung on a weekly basis also. My vehicles stay trashed out the sun bakes bee poop on them daily , thousands and thousand of hard spots that get on my car. I appreciate your concern thank you.
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I am no help and I don't mean to seem to be making light of your situation. But every time I read this thread of think of this movie (also in Texas):


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To avoid risks while buying my pre-construction condo, I used help of these real estate lawyers from here . My friends also used them a couple times. No complaints, they handle all legal stuff great. Maybe they will be able to help you too.
A law firm in Toronto? LOL!
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A law firm in Toronto? LOL!
But they have "One of the Lowest Fixed Rate Fees". That always brings me comfort in an attorney.
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Apply Bonide Fruit Tree Spray Concentrate to all your flowering plants and everything else bees might land on. It will kill them for a week after spraying. If you have fruit trees, spray them weekly. Don't eat the fruit though. Bonide should only be used twice yearly on fruits that you are going to eat. Permithrins will kill every insect there is and is safe for pets and people. Will usually kill for 2-3 weeks or until it rains. Permithrins is great for the yard to control fleas, ticks and other crawly insects.
Once the beekeeper sees his bees dying off and no honey production he will move the hives.
Your defense is that you are trying to control flea and tick infestation.
You could also plant lots of these flowers: http://www.countryfile.com/countrysi...s-are-bad-bees

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The reason that the lawyers laughed is because you don't have a leg to stand on. Your only real choses are to sell your house or to buy the other 5 acres. I would be careful about putting something out to kill the bees. As a agricultural product I am not sure about how the laws apply. Also if they get in the poison but don't die I assume it will get in the honey that is made for human consumption.

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