Go Back   TexasBowhunter.com Community Discussion Forums > Topics > Equipment and Tuning
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 01-14-2016, 08:23 PM   #1
MathewsChillR
Nubbin' Buck
 
Join Date: Oct 2015
Location: Between Azle/weatherford
Hunt In: Stephens County
Default Do you really need a stabilizer?

I purchased a new bow before Christmas because my limbs broke on my bear during hunting season. I upgraded to a Mathews ChillR. I purchased this bow at cinnamon creek archery off I35. They set me up with a stockerized stabilizer!
To me it makes the bow heavy. Today I shot my bow when I got home and I decided to not install my stabilizer. It actually felt 100x better imo without it.

Do I really need to have a stabilizer if it feels better without?
MathewsChillR is offline   Back To The Top
Old 01-14-2016, 08:24 PM   #2
panhandlehunter
Pope & Young
 
panhandlehunter's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2010
Location: Sweeny
Hunt In: Brazoria, Matagorda & Kinney Counties
Default

No you don't need one.
panhandlehunter is online now   Back To The Top
Old 01-14-2016, 08:27 PM   #3
Bowtech38
Ten Point
 
Bowtech38's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2013
Location: Belton
Default

I took mine off few years ago, shoots just fine with out it, its a bowtech assassin weighs little over 4 pounds ready to shoot with no quiver on it.
Bowtech38 is online now   Back To The Top
Old 01-14-2016, 08:34 PM   #4
stickman
Pope & Young
 
stickman's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: S.Texas
Default

Shot my mathews legacy for many years without a stabilizer.
stickman is offline   Back To The Top
Old 01-14-2016, 08:36 PM   #5
DOUBLE.A
Ten Point
 
DOUBLE.A's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2014
Location: Cut and Shoot
Hunt In: Houston County
Default

Never shot without one but I kno I shoot a lot better with a long one.
DOUBLE.A is offline   Back To The Top
Old 01-14-2016, 08:36 PM   #6
Mudslinger
Pope & Young
 
Mudslinger's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Lubbock, TX
Hunt In: Kent Co., Stonewall Co., CO, Limpopo RSA
Default

All depends. I tried both ways with many different stabilizer combos and none at all and found a combo that made mine feel better, but it is not a heavy set up either.
Mudslinger is offline   Back To The Top
Old 01-14-2016, 08:44 PM   #7
Texastaxi
Pope & Young
 
Texastaxi's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: West of Houston
Hunt In: now accepting invitations!
Default

Nope.

You don't need a sling either.

I hunt (and kill) regularly without either.
I haven't used a sling in at least 5 years.
I remember to screw in my stabilizer about 50% of the time.
Texastaxi is offline   Back To The Top
Old 01-14-2016, 08:49 PM   #8
MathewsChillR
Nubbin' Buck
 
Join Date: Oct 2015
Location: Between Azle/weatherford
Hunt In: Stephens County
Default

Good!!!!!

It's amazing how much better I am without it on my bow.
I know it's there to add weight to the front of the bow to stabilize the bows weight
However I shoot much better with out it
MathewsChillR is offline   Back To The Top
Old 01-14-2016, 09:10 PM   #9
Rat
Ten Point
 
Rat's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Bertram
Default

Everyone is different, even the same bows shoots differently from one person to the next.

Do what works for you. On my hunting rig I like a 12" stab with about 4 oz of weight. My field rig needs a longer stab and a little less weight, but I'm shooting 90 meters with that bow.

So for me, a stab is necessary.

So is a sling. I shoot with curled fingers to the side of the grip. If I don't have my sling on the bow hits the ground.

It's up to you, there is no right or wrong, yes or no, blanket answer.
Rat is offline   Back To The Top
Old 01-14-2016, 09:23 PM   #10
BowTech2010
Ten Point
 
BowTech2010's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: SETX
Hunt In: South Texas
Default

The chill r has an added weight in the bottom of the riser so a stabilizer isn't absolutely needed
BowTech2010 is offline   Back To The Top
Old 01-14-2016, 09:59 PM   #11
MathewsChillR
Nubbin' Buck
 
Join Date: Oct 2015
Location: Between Azle/weatherford
Hunt In: Stephens County
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by BowTech2010 View Post
The chill r has an added weight in the bottom of the riser so a stabilizer isn't absolutely needed
Thanks for that info
MathewsChillR is offline   Back To The Top
Old 01-15-2016, 09:41 PM   #12
Brock Middlebrook
Pope & Young
 
Brock Middlebrook's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: McKinney, TX
Default

I don't use one.
Brock Middlebrook is online now   Back To The Top
Old 01-16-2016, 11:09 AM   #13
Quackedup
Six Point
 
Quackedup's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2014
Location: Abilene
Hunt In: Wherever I can
Default

A true stabilizer is perimeter weighted, ie, the weight is mainly on the outside of the stabilizer, away from the riser. This set up actually will slow pin movement and make it a little less pronounced. most of the "stabilizers" out today are not perimeter weighted and are more for reducing noise and vibration instead of actual stabilization. Most are designed around looks rather than a true stabilizing benefit. Having said all of that, I had a 6" stabilizer on my ChillR year before last and skipped it on my HTR this year. For hunting at short yardage, I don't think the added weight makes up for the little stabilization you get. On my Tournament rigs, I run 26"-30" front rods and a 12" sidebar with about a pound and a half total end weight. This really slows down pin movement and makes it easier to make aiming corrections due to the mass weight of the bow.
Quackedup is offline   Back To The Top
Old 01-16-2016, 06:13 PM   #14
Mudslinger
Pope & Young
 
Mudslinger's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Lubbock, TX
Hunt In: Kent Co., Stonewall Co., CO, Limpopo RSA
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Quackedup View Post
A true stabilizer is perimeter weighted, ie, the weight is mainly on the outside of the stabilizer, away from the riser. This set up actually will slow pin movement and make it a little less pronounced. most of the "stabilizers" out today are not perimeter weighted and are more for reducing noise and vibration instead of actual stabilization. Most are designed around looks rather than a true stabilizing benefit. Having said all of that, I had a 6" stabilizer on my ChillR year before last and skipped it on my HTR this year. For hunting at short yardage, I don't think the added weight makes up for the little stabilization you get. On my Tournament rigs, I run 26"-30" front rods and a 12" sidebar with about a pound and a half total end weight. This really slows down pin movement and makes it easier to make aiming corrections due to the mass weight of the bow.

Yep!
Mudslinger is offline   Back To The Top
Old 01-16-2016, 06:24 PM   #15
bphillips
Pope & Young
 
bphillips's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: San Angelo, Tx
Hunt In: Schleicher, Tom Green Co.
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Quackedup View Post
A true stabilizer is perimeter weighted, ie, the weight is mainly on the outside of the stabilizer, away from the riser. This set up actually will slow pin movement and make it a little less pronounced. most of the "stabilizers" out today are not perimeter weighted and are more for reducing noise and vibration instead of actual stabilization. Most are designed around looks rather than a true stabilizing benefit. Having said all of that, I had a 6" stabilizer on my ChillR year before last and skipped it on my HTR this year. For hunting at short yardage, I don't think the added weight makes up for the little stabilization you get. On my Tournament rigs, I run 26"-30" front rods and a 12" sidebar with about a pound and a half total end weight. This really slows down pin movement and makes it easier to make aiming corrections due to the mass weight of the bow.
While true for the most part, my hunting stab is 11" carbon rod with 8oz stainless weights on the end and for the fun of it I pulled it off and shot without it and my pin movement actually slowed without compared to with it. Maybe some bows just balance better than others? I had never tried it but it was very noticeable at 50+yds
bphillips is online now   Back To The Top
Old 01-16-2016, 06:32 PM   #16
ferrellv
Eight Point
 
ferrellv's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2015
Location: victoria texas
Hunt In: Everywhere i can
Default

Nope i shoot mine without one and dont have any trouble.
ferrellv is offline   Back To The Top
Old 01-17-2016, 06:18 PM   #17
acwirz
Nubbin' Buck
 
acwirz's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2016
Default

I need to try shooting without one after reading this. I've always felt that the bow is heavy with it on there but was necessary.
acwirz is offline   Back To The Top
Old 01-19-2016, 06:04 AM   #18
Quackedup
Six Point
 
Quackedup's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2014
Location: Abilene
Hunt In: Wherever I can
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by bphillips View Post
While true for the most part, my hunting stab is 11" carbon rod with 8oz stainless weights on the end and for the fun of it I pulled it off and shot without it and my pin movement actually slowed without compared to with it. Maybe some bows just balance better than others? I had never tried it but it was very noticeable at 50+yds

That might have been too much weight out front. Most bows don't need that much weight to balance. Putting a lot of weight up front usually means some rear weight needs to be added to make the bow balance. On my target set up, the 30" bar only has 4 ounces on the end of it and the 12" rear bar has 16 ounces. This makes the bow sit very neutral in my hand. If it is really windy out, I may up the weight a little, but I keep the 1 to 4 ratio and the bow stays in balance.
Quackedup is offline   Back To The Top
Old 01-19-2016, 06:49 AM   #19
bow4my2
Pope & Young
 
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: TEXAS
Default

I only have one as a noise dampner on my z7 but doesn't really do anything for weight. its actually one bow that I have shot that feels pretty balanced
bow4my2 is offline   Back To The Top
Old 01-19-2016, 06:58 AM   #20
muddyz
Four Point
 
Join Date: Jun 2015
Default

I'll have to try shooting with an without now and see.
muddyz is offline   Back To The Top
Old 01-19-2016, 08:27 AM   #21
bphillips
Pope & Young
 
bphillips's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: San Angelo, Tx
Hunt In: Schleicher, Tom Green Co.
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Quackedup View Post
That might have been too much weight out front. Most bows don't need that much weight to balance. Putting a lot of weight up front usually means some rear weight needs to be added to make the bow balance. On my target set up, the 30" bar only has 4 ounces on the end of it and the 12" rear bar has 16 ounces. This makes the bow sit very neutral in my hand. If it is really windy out, I may up the weight a little, but I keep the 1 to 4 ratio and the bow stays in balance.
Yea it was too heavy I believe but even with only one 4oz weight it was still better without any stab. It kicks back a little after the shot without one but it will be worth it having it hold better
bphillips is online now   Back To The Top
Old 01-19-2016, 02:21 PM   #22
XJessen89
Nubbin' Buck
 
Join Date: Jan 2016
Location: Wylie
Hunt In: Varies
Default

I am going to try shooting it both ways this afternoon and see what I prefer. I would like to keep the bow on the lighter side. Does anyone know if they make a screw to hold your sling in place of the stabilizer? My bow came with the stabilizer and I added a sling from Cabela's, but it did not come with anything to mount the sling.
XJessen89 is offline   Back To The Top
Old 01-20-2016, 07:34 AM   #23
old killer
Ten Point
 
old killer's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: Orange, Texas
Hunt In: Texas, Oklahoma, Kansas, New Mexico
Default

They will add weight. The right amount of weight will stabilize the bow and keep the fibers from appearing to shake or move as much, like the ones used by target archers.
I have a 90 degree set up on my Chill R and use a 4 inch stabilizer turned up to use as a carry handle so I don't carry the bow by the string.
The key is your group size vs the carry the carry weight. In the mountains the weight can be a problem. Not so much when you walk 300yds to a tree stand. With the new parallel limb design hand shock is no longer an issue.
Practice both ways and see which way you prefer.
old killer is offline   Back To The Top
Old 01-20-2016, 05:59 PM   #24
Bubbasnl
Nubbin' Buck
 
Join Date: Jan 2016
Default Comes down to what works

My old bow I didn't use one and it felt great, my new one I tried out a friends and found it made a difference, think it ultimately just depends on what feels best for your setup. Test with and with out, use what ever works best and you feel most confident in.
Bubbasnl is offline   Back To The Top
Old 01-20-2016, 06:28 PM   #25
Quackedup
Six Point
 
Quackedup's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2014
Location: Abilene
Hunt In: Wherever I can
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by XJessen89 View Post
I am going to try shooting it both ways this afternoon and see what I prefer. I would like to keep the bow on the lighter side. Does anyone know if they make a screw to hold your sling in place of the stabilizer? My bow came with the stabilizer and I added a sling from Cabela's, but it did not come with anything to mount the sling.
a rest bolt is the same size and thread as a stabilizer stud. If you don't have an extra bolt, they are standard sized, I just cant remember of the top of my head what size they are.

Last edited by Quackedup; 01-20-2016 at 06:28 PM.. Reason: Typo's
Quackedup is offline   Back To The Top
Old 01-20-2016, 07:55 PM   #26
Rat
Ten Point
 
Rat's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Bertram
Default

5/16 x 24, 1/2" long will work. Use a stainless cab screw (bolt with the Allen wrench head) it looks cooler.
Rat is offline   Back To The Top
Old 01-20-2016, 08:00 PM   #27
Iehooligan11b
Ten Point
 
Iehooligan11b's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2014
Location: Texas
Default

I've got a sniper hawg light. Does that count?
Iehooligan11b is offline   Back To The Top
 

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 09:37 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.1
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Copyright 1999-2012, TexasBowhunter.com