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Old 05-06-2017, 12:06 AM   #51
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So you are saying Texas has it right, but states with no inspection like even California & Florida are wrong??

I see no logic in your argument...has nothing to do with DL or any other crap you posted.


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Maybe I should make the thread. Alittle history for ya.

In the U.S., the law that governs motor vehicles is the National Traffic and Motor Vehicle Safety Act.

But according to the Constitution;

Freedom of movement under United States law is governed primarily by the Privileges and Immunities Clause of the United States Constitution which states, "The Citizens of each State shall be entitled to all Privileges and Immunities of Citizens in the several States.
Case #1: "The use of the highway for the purpose of travel and transportation is not a mere privilege, but a common fundamental right of which the public and individuals cannot rightfully be deprived." Chicago Motor Coach v. Chicago, 169 NE 221.

Case #2: "The right of the citizen to travel upon the public highways and to transport his property thereon, either by carriage or by automobile, is not a mere privilege which a city may prohibit or permit at will, but a common law right which he has under the right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness." Thompson v. Smith, 154 SE 579.

Case #3: "The right to travel is a part of the liberty of which the citizen cannot be deprived without due process of law under the Fifth Amendment." Kent v. Dulles, 357 US 116, 125.

Case #4: "The right to travel is a well-established common right that does not owe its existence to the federal government. It is recognized by the courts as a natural right." Schactman v. Dulles 96 App DC 287, 225 F2d 938, at 941.

So, are you allowed to travel in a motor vehicle in the U.S. without a driver's license?


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Old 05-06-2017, 12:11 AM   #52
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Maybe I should make the thread. Alittle history for ya.

In the U.S., the law that governs motor vehicles is the National Traffic and Motor Vehicle Safety Act.

But according to the Constitution;

Freedom of movement under United States law is governed primarily by the Privileges and Immunities Clause of the United States Constitution which states, "The Citizens of each State shall be entitled to all Privileges and Immunities of Citizens in the several States.
Case #1: "The use of the highway for the purpose of travel and transportation is not a mere privilege, but a common fundamental right of which the public and individuals cannot rightfully be deprived." Chicago Motor Coach v. Chicago, 169 NE 221.

Case #2: "The right of the citizen to travel upon the public highways and to transport his property thereon, either by carriage or by automobile, is not a mere privilege which a city may prohibit or permit at will, but a common law right which he has under the right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness." Thompson v. Smith, 154 SE 579.

Case #3: "The right to travel is a part of the liberty of which the citizen cannot be deprived without due process of law under the Fifth Amendment." Kent v. Dulles, 357 US 116, 125.

Case #4: "The right to travel is a well-established common right that does not owe its existence to the federal government. It is recognized by the courts as a natural right." Schactman v. Dulles 96 App DC 287, 225 F2d 938, at 941.

So, are you allowed to travel in a motor vehicle in the U.S. without a driver's license?


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yes, you may travel,, but only as a passenger the driver needs a license, and that should never be changed,,, and driving without one should be jail or if your a illegal alien, deportation.... i have seen way to many people killed on the roads by people with no, expired or suspended licenses, and more than a few by illegal aliens driving and no freaking clue how to do it
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Old 05-06-2017, 12:16 AM   #53
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So what about all the money we've had to blow on this crap for all these years??
It's been a total sham all along.
What a total cluster fork..
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Old 05-06-2017, 12:22 AM   #54
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Anyone know when we're expected to find out?
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Old 05-06-2017, 12:36 AM   #55
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So you are saying Texas has it right, but states with no inspection like even California & Florida are wrong??



I see no logic in your argument...has nothing to do with DL or any other crap you posted.


Yes I'm saying Texas is right, California is right, Florida is right and every other state that passes laws that follow the guidelines of our constitution, or does away with laws that do not follow the guidelines of our constitution is doing right by me but that is just my own opinion. We are all entitled to it own.


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Old 05-06-2017, 06:21 AM   #56
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Maybe I should make the thread. Alittle history for ya.

In the U.S., the law that governs motor vehicles is the National Traffic and Motor Vehicle Safety Act.

But according to the Constitution;

Freedom of movement under United States law is governed primarily by the Privileges and Immunities Clause of the United States Constitution which states, "The Citizens of each State shall be entitled to all Privileges and Immunities of Citizens in the several States.
Case #1: "The use of the highway for the purpose of travel and transportation is not a mere privilege, but a common fundamental right of which the public and individuals cannot rightfully be deprived." Chicago Motor Coach v. Chicago, 169 NE 221.

Case #2: "The right of the citizen to travel upon the public highways and to transport his property thereon, either by carriage or by automobile, is not a mere privilege which a city may prohibit or permit at will, but a common law right which he has under the right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness." Thompson v. Smith, 154 SE 579.

Case #3: "The right to travel is a part of the liberty of which the citizen cannot be deprived without due process of law under the Fifth Amendment." Kent v. Dulles, 357 US 116, 125.

Case #4: "The right to travel is a well-established common right that does not owe its existence to the federal government. It is recognized by the courts as a natural right." Schactman v. Dulles 96 App DC 287, 225 F2d 938, at 941.

So, are you allowed to travel in a motor vehicle in the U.S. without a driver's license?


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You do realize that all that you just posted is nonsensical gibberish. You apparently have been reading websites where they take a 16 page Supreme Court decision and take one or two paragraphs from it out of context.

Nahhhh, you probably don't.......
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Old 05-06-2017, 06:26 AM   #57
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So what about all the money we've had to blow on this crap for all these years??
It's been a total sham all along.
What a total cluster fork..
And if you believe all of that nonsense, I just acquired Mount Rushmore but am willing to sell it to you for a great price.
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Old 05-06-2017, 06:27 AM   #58
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Anyone know when we're expected to find out?
The session ends in a little over 3 weeks.
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Old 05-06-2017, 06:29 AM   #59
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After traveling to sates that do not require vehicle inspections, I think it's a good thing. You ought to see some of the crap running around. Went to Illinois once. Guy had a pickup with completely slick tires, fenders flapping and to turn on the head lights he turned the switch on, got out and kicked the fender to get them to turn on. All perfectly legal. No thanks.
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Old 05-06-2017, 07:31 AM   #60
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After traveling to sates that do not require vehicle inspections, I think it's a good thing. You ought to see some of the crap running around. Went to Illinois once. Guy had a pickup with completely slick tires, fenders flapping and to turn on the head lights he turned the switch on, got out and kicked the fender to get them to turn on. All perfectly legal. No thanks.
I don't think any amount of legislation will keep it all off the road, but I guess if it keeps a few off it could be worth it.
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Old 05-06-2017, 07:40 AM   #61
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I don't think any amount of legislation will keep it all off the road, but I guess if it keeps a few off it could be worth it.
There's clunkers running around here, but nothing like what I have seen in other states.
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Old 05-06-2017, 08:09 AM   #62
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I'm fairly certain diesel trucks don't have emissions testing
Right, so if not, and then no more safety inspections, I guess that would mean no more inspections at all for my truck then, right?
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Old 05-06-2017, 09:55 AM   #63
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Yes I'm saying Texas is right, California is right, Florida is right and every other state that passes laws that follow the guidelines of our constitution, or does away with laws that do not follow the guidelines of our constitution is doing right by me but that is just my own opinion. We are all entitled to it own.


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Got it. If Texas changes this law, then they are going from right to right in your eyes...you play a good game & cannot lose a debate this way. Nice angle.
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Old 05-19-2017, 02:25 PM   #64
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Has anybody seen or heard any updates on this?

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Old 05-19-2017, 03:07 PM   #65
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Has anybody seen or heard any updates on this?

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The House got it from the Senate a little over a week ago (where it passed) and it is sitting in the House committee. They have had a meeting on it but have not brought it up for a vote. In the meeting they agreed (but without a vote) to it without amendments. That means.... nothing at this point. The session has about 9-10 more days for action on any bills or they die. I believe this one still has time but at the end of the session, there is always a lot of bills being pushed. Which ones get the backing to move forward? Time will tell.

The main point is that it is moving forward and has not yet hit a roadblock but time is growing short.............
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Old 05-19-2017, 03:14 PM   #66
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Great,thanks tvc.

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Old 05-19-2017, 03:19 PM   #67
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Amen. My SIL has been hit (small fender benders) by 2 people this year already with no insurance. Guess who picked up that bill?
Or whoever hits someone else should had the guts to get out and say, Dang bro (or mam) sorry bout that one. How much is this gonna cost me???


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About 5 years ago an illegal alien driving a borrowed vehicle tried to cross three lanes of traffic at the last second to take the exit ramp on I-35 going about 80mph, lost control and took out about 100' of the 8' R-Panel fence around my yard. The car was a junker so it was totaled. It happened during working hours so I was right there. Police were called. Guy couldn't speak english, had no drivers license or liability insurance. The police officer was hispanic and they talked in spanish for a couple of minutes. The guy got on his phone and about 10 minutes later a car drives up, he gets in it and they drive off. I asked the officer "what about my fence?" His answer was "you have insurance, don't you?"
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Old 05-19-2017, 03:23 PM   #68
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About 5 years ago an illegal alien driving a borrowed vehicle tried to cross three lanes of traffic at the last second to take the exit ramp on I-35 going about 80mph, lost control and took out about 100' of the 8' R-Panel fence around my yard. The car was a junker so it was totaled. It happened during working hours so I was right there. Police were called. Guy couldn't speak english, had no drivers license or liability insurance. The police officer was hispanic and they talked in spanish for a couple of minutes. The guy got on his phone and about 10 minutes later a car drives up, he gets in it and they drive off. I asked the officer "what about my fence?" His answer was "you have insurance, don't you?"
Happens at one of my FIL's properties all the time.......they never speakie the English when it happens
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Old 05-19-2017, 04:54 PM   #69
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Without inspections we are going to see a lot more Fords and Dodges on the road. Won't be able to get anywhere for these broken down things causing traffic jams.
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Old 05-22-2017, 03:17 AM   #70
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Late Friday this bill passed the House committee. It was then sent to the Calendars committee. That committee puts it on the...... calendar.

The Calendars committee has no voting issue but decides when and if something is brought up in front if the House for discussion and possible vote. They still have a couple of days left to bring it up.

This bill has moved at a fairly rapid pace compared to most others. It did not clear the Senate committe until late April. Even at that late date, in a little over three weeks has been voted on and cleared the Senate committee, brought in front of entire Senate, referred to a House committee, cleared that step and now has the final step of being voted on by the full House. There are a lot of bills that take 4 months to get to that stage.

It is always frantic at the end of the session (sine die) that comes up next Monday. I think tomorrow (Tuesday) is the last day to have the required second reading of the bill before the House. I believe that means the House has about 45 hours to bring this up again.

So... again, it is moving forward rapidly. It apparently has a lot of interest to move so quickly but the end of the session is coming up. Tick tock tick...........
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Late Friday this bill passed the House committee. It was then sent to the Calendars committee. That committee puts it on the...... calendar.

The Calendars committee has no voting issue but decides when and if something is brought up in front if the House for discussion and possible vote. They still have a couple of days left to bring it up.

This bill has moved at a fairly rapid pace compared to most others. It did not clear the Senate committe until late April. Even at that late date, in a little over three weeks has been voted on and cleared the Senate committee, brought in front of entire Senate, referred to a House committee, cleared that step and now has the final step of being voted on by the full House. There are a lot of bills that take 4 months to get to that stage.

It is always frantic at the end of the session (sine die) that comes up next Monday. I think tomorrow (Tuesday) is the last day to have the required second reading of the bill before the House. I believe that means the House has about 45 hours to bring this up again.

So... again, it is moving forward rapidly. It apparently has a lot of interest to move so quickly but the end of the session is coming up. Tick tock tick...........
Im sure there is frantic phone callling and lobbying going on.
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Inspection on my 2012 Harley runs out next week. I was going to get it inspected today but maybe I should wait a few days?
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Old 05-22-2017, 07:37 AM   #73
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Don't worry about the inspection till you gotta register it. They will let ya know if it needs it...
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Old 05-22-2017, 08:02 AM   #74
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If they do this the state should take a better look at uninsured drivers and quadruple the fines.
I think they'll be asking illegals for money they don't have, but that is a good idea.
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Old 06-08-2017, 12:18 PM   #75
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Late Friday this bill passed the House committee. It was then sent to the Calendars committee. That committee puts it on the...... calendar.

The Calendars committee has no voting issue but decides when and if something is brought up in front if the House for discussion and possible vote. They still have a couple of days left to bring it up.

This bill has moved at a fairly rapid pace compared to most others. It did not clear the Senate committe until late April. Even at that late date, in a little over three weeks has been voted on and cleared the Senate committee, brought in front of entire Senate, referred to a House committee, cleared that step and now has the final step of being voted on by the full House. There are a lot of bills that take 4 months to get to that stage.

It is always frantic at the end of the session (sine die) that comes up next Monday. I think tomorrow (Tuesday) is the last day to have the required second reading of the bill before the House. I believe that means the House has about 45 hours to bring this up again.

So... again, it is moving forward rapidly. It apparently has a lot of interest to move so quickly but the end of the session is coming up. Tick tock tick...........
I've searched Google to no avail. Does anyone know if this passed?
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I've searched Google to no avail. Does anyone know if this passed?
It did not
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Old 06-08-2017, 12:49 PM   #77
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It did not
Well that's depressing, just got my windows to 20%. Guess I will have to pay a little more for inspections this year.
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I've searched Google to no avail. Does anyone know if this passed?
http://www.capitol.state.tx.us/BillL...5R&Bill=SB1588

Left in the Calendars Committee. They put it on the agenda to come up for a vote. It never got to the floor of the House to get a final vote.
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Its not part of the special session either. At least not one of their 19 agenda items. May raise its head again.
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