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Old 03-22-2017, 12:19 PM   #1
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I burned 15 acres to make a field for doves. I'm planning on throwing milo and sunflowers. Would I need to till or disc plow, or can i just throw seed.

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Old 03-22-2017, 12:25 PM   #2
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disk,smooth out, broadcast, and cover(with a cultipacker if you have or drag something) for best results
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Old 03-22-2017, 12:55 PM   #3
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If you wait until the middle of August and just throw it on the ground you'll have lots of doves !
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Old 03-22-2017, 03:28 PM   #4
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If you wait until the middle of August and just throw it on the ground you'll have lots of doves !

And lose my weapon and a big ole fine lol
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Old 03-22-2017, 03:30 PM   #5
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I'm wondering if I disc and plow this year. Will I have to be doing it yearly? This property is just vacant for the most part so want it to be for dove season mostly. Don't have cows or any other livestock running around. Have water and gravel roads. May make a pond in there a bit wider and add couple hundred pounds of gravel road inside.
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Old 03-22-2017, 05:50 PM   #6
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Sunflowers you may be to late
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Old 03-23-2017, 09:57 AM   #7
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Sunflowers you may be to late
No. Sunflowers mature in 90-110 days. He is way too early.

OP, if you plant native sunflowers, and let them come to seed, you should have sunflowers every year. I tried the Millet and Peredovik sunflower last year, and didn't get one sunflower plant. Not sure if the sunflower seed was bad, or if the millet just shaded it out. The millet comes up quick and was thick. I used a dove plot mix from MBS seed.
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Old 03-23-2017, 11:13 AM   #8
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No. Sunflowers mature in 90-110 days. He is way too early.

OP, if you plant native sunflowers, and let them come to seed, you should have sunflowers every year. I tried the Millet and Peredovik sunflower last year, and didn't get one sunflower plant. Not sure if the sunflower seed was bad, or if the millet just shaded it out. The millet comes up quick and was thick. I used a dove plot mix from MBS seed.
I was told by Jay t Turners seed that Natives need to be planted while still cold for them to come up good. I know I disc our dove field around Mid December per his instructions and they come up good. Not sure about the other sunflowers though.
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Old 03-23-2017, 11:29 AM   #9
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Natives will need to be planted in fall to early winter. They need cold weather to start the germination process.
Some of the other species can be planted in the spring but may not be as good reseeding from year to year like native sunflowers.

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Old 03-23-2017, 11:37 AM   #10
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I'd at least disc. The germination rate will be higher.
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Old 03-23-2017, 11:41 AM   #11
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I was told by Jay t Turners seed that Natives need to be planted while still cold for them to come up good. I know I disc our dove field around Mid December per his instructions and they come up good. Not sure about the other sunflowers though.
Ah! Never planted native. Probably won't since I rotate spring/fall plots for deer, and early planting native sunflowers would interfere with my spring deer plots.

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Old 03-23-2017, 12:15 PM   #12
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I'm planting today before the rain tomorrow. I plant black oil sunflowers, and get the $15/40# BAGS from TSC. You need to be able to cover the seeds. If you can get a no till drill, you could go that route, or you will need to till the ground, spread, cover.
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Old 03-23-2017, 12:32 PM   #13
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I'm planting today before the rain tomorrow. I plant black oil sunflowers, and get the $15/40# BAGS from TSC. You need to be able to cover the seeds. If you can get a no till drill, you could go that route, or you will need to till the ground, spread, cover.
Won't that mean your sunflowers would mature by July 1st? That's a long way from Sept 1st.
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Old 03-23-2017, 12:44 PM   #14
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PRESCRIBED BURN WORKSHOP
Friday, April, 21, 2017
Van Zandt County Farm Bureau –Canton, Texas
$20.00- Please RSVP by Monday, April 17th to the
Van Zandt County Extension Office (903) 567-4149
WHAT IS A PRESCRIBED BURN? Prescribed burning is a management tool
widely used by foresters, parks departments, range and wildlife managers, ranchers and other
landowners to manage excessive natural fuels under very specific and safe conditions.
Schedule:
8:00 - 8:30 – Registration and coffee
8:30 - 8:40 - Welcome and introduction of presenters
8:40 - 9:25 - Why burn? Fire history and fire effects – Chris Schenk, TPWD
9:25 - 10:10 - Planning a burn (including weather and fire behavior) – Larry LeBeau, TPWD
10:10 - 10:20 - Break
10:20 - 10:45 - Tools, equipment, and resources – Heidi Bailey, TPWD
10:45 - 11:15 - Burn Contractors – Kevin Bowman, Bowman Land Management
11:15 - 12:00 - Safety, Liability, and the Law – Jason Ellis, Texas A&M Forest Service
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Old 03-23-2017, 01:21 PM   #15
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Won't that mean your sunflowers would mature by July 1st? That's a long way from Sept 1st.
Not based on my previous plantings. I planted end of april and wasn't ready by Sept 1. Always better to mature too early than too late.
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Old 03-26-2017, 02:57 PM   #16
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I'm going to try wheat, some corn, some milo and sunflowers. I'll do native and another mix along same line to see if maybe one will regrow. I do want to have it where I don't have to work on it yearly.





Probably going to do something along these lines. I'm not too far off from where wings over Dayton used to be. Wants field we can use yearly since we really don't use this property at all except for some mares to pasture every so often.
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Old 03-26-2017, 05:20 PM   #17
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If you don't want to replant or have to disk plant native sunflowers. But they really should have been planted last month or before for best results this year. Mix in some partridge pea if you do that. No replanting Needed if they get established. Brown top millet could probably be broadcasted and drug before a good rain with good results. Sunflowers and milo would have to be disked. They need to be about about 1/2 inch down.
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Old 03-27-2017, 01:03 PM   #18
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Thanks everyone. I'tll be disked this week, just paying te guy who bakes for us. Cheaper to pay him a couple of hours than buy a disc I may use every so often.
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Old 03-27-2017, 09:10 PM   #19
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I'm planting today before the rain tomorrow. I plant black oil sunflowers, and get the $15/40# BAGS from TSC. You need to be able to cover the seeds. If you can get a no till drill, you could go that route, or you will need to till the ground, spread, cover.
So, the black oil sunflower seeds from Tractor Suppoy that are sold as bird feed will germinate and grow if planted? I saw a bunch at my TS today, $17/bag. But the bag said "bird food"
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Old 03-27-2017, 09:12 PM   #20
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Yep. That is what u plant
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Old 03-27-2017, 09:17 PM   #21
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When would expect the plant heads to seed out ?
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Old 03-28-2017, 07:49 PM   #22
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Planting trees and habitat improvement.

You can see where and when i planted inb this thread.
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Old 04-09-2017, 11:28 AM   #23
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My sunflowers are up.


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Old 04-15-2017, 12:56 PM   #24
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I tried tilling a few weeks back and it was too wet.. now It has rained twice from when I initially tried to till.. so now Im even more delayed.

I have sacks of Sunflower, milo, sorghum, wheat and corn.. Now should I wait and try to till in a few weeks if it dries up or say **** it. Seed and see how it goes?
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Old 04-15-2017, 12:57 PM   #25
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Double posted.

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Old 04-26-2017, 09:57 AM   #26
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Welp. Dry enough to disc today and tomorrow. Hopefully it doesn't rain and seeding Friday finally
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Old 05-12-2017, 09:24 AM   #27
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My dove plot went in last Sunday...
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