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Old 04-04-2017, 09:43 AM   #51
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As a land owner there is no way it's happening on my place. If your looking to control your hog population there are MUCH more efficient and productive methods. Not a fan of hog dogging what so ever.
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Old 04-04-2017, 11:06 AM   #52
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Shane I don't even think you would even get to shoot the baby yearlings anymore!! Hahaha
Dangit! Looks like skunk soup for me than!
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Old 04-04-2017, 01:21 PM   #53
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No way in hell I would be on a lease where this is allowed! I don't know where you guys are hunting maybe hill country but up here in the panhandle you ain't going to see a deer with that going on.There is a reason they get big and smart up here.
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Old 04-04-2017, 01:27 PM   #54
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I did it for years outside of Fairfield. We hunted hogs hard from February to about August. It had zero affect on the deer herd or the hunting. We did catch loads of hogs. Now we did have good dogs that would not chase a deer. So I guess the answer depends on how good the hog hunters are.

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Old 04-04-2017, 01:50 PM   #55
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Hmmm...a bunch of barking dogs and people stomping around not to mention the ruckus when they catch one, nahh..shouldn't bother the deer.
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Old 04-04-2017, 02:06 PM   #56
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Few things:

Your land owner is in breach of contract but if its not an issue for you, I wouldn't worry about it. It does highlight the point of having an actual signed Lease, though. If this were, say a rent house, he couldn't let others come stay in the house that you were paying for. Why do hunters get to do basically the same thing?

However, Hog dogging out of season won't bother your deer. I've been with hog dogs that ran within yards of deer. They will scatter for a short while but they will come back. Most deer these days are used to vehicles, planes, tractors etc etc. They are used to human activity. So they aren't going to scatter for miles.

You DO need to make sure that the hog doggers arent planning on hunting during season. You don't want to be in the blind and have a pack of dogs go by chasing a hog. This is really just a respect thing and pretty basic communication. Shouldn't be an issue.

Hog dogging will help get rid of hogs...NOT necessarily because of the hogs that they catch, simply because hogs will leave an area if they are under a lot of pressure/harassment, if they have other options. Hog dogging once in a while won't do it though, it has to be constant. Also, they will eventually be back. It never ends.

If the hogs are coming to your feeders and they are using your feeders to strike hogs, a very common practice by the way, simply turn the feeders off.

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Old 04-05-2017, 07:17 AM   #57
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Lol we and other people kill 160's dang near every year on places that get dogged a lot at times in the spring in summer. And this is in east Texas on big and really small places. It won't really effect anything, now. We generally hunt from the end of deer season through the spring and a little in the fall before deer season. I've seen hogs screw up deer hunting way worse than dogs. We have the real deal dogs that can clean out properties and places. We get deer leases call us right before season begging us to come run the hogs out.

I personally have multiple places that I dog that I move the hogs out before deer season and have a really nice season with hardly any pressure from them.

The one and only time I could see a gripe for disturbing the deer is if someone is dog hunting during deer season. But that's it and generally no one hunts their dogs during deer season.

Best place I know of in east Texas has been dogged for 40 years and they've killed multiple 200" deer low fence


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Old 04-05-2017, 07:35 AM   #58
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Just my recent experience:

Two months ago, I had hogs and deer showing up (more deer than hogs) at my lease. Then, I started seeing dogs on one trail camera this month. Since the dogs showed up, I no deer on that camera. The hogs are still regulars.

However, I suspect these are strays and not hog dogs. I will say that I was quite angry when I saw pics of dogs at my feeder. I love dogs, but I don't want them near my setups. To me, added pressure is added pressure. Funny thing is, I don't even care about the deer, I don't want the dogs chasing off my hogs!
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Old 04-05-2017, 08:41 AM   #59
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.................east Texas, you say?
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Old 04-05-2017, 09:57 AM   #60
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Hmmm...a bunch of barking dogs and people stomping around not to mention the ruckus when they catch one, nahh..shouldn't bother the deer.
yep!!!i like shooting big bucks not spikes...
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Old 04-05-2017, 09:59 AM   #61
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Few things:

Your land owner is in breach of contract but if its not an issue for you, I wouldn't worry about it. It does highlight the point of having an actual signed Lease, though. If this were, say a rent house, he couldn't let others come stay in the house that you were paying for. Why do hunters get to do basically the same thing?

However, Hog dogging out of season won't bother your deer. I've been with hog dogs that ran within yards of deer. They will scatter for a short while but they will come back. Most deer these days are used to vehicles, planes, tractors etc etc. They are used to human activity. So they aren't going to scatter for miles.

You DO need to make sure that the hog doggers arent planning on hunting during season. You don't want to be in the blind and have a pack of dogs go by chasing a hog. This is really just a respect thing and pretty basic communication. Shouldn't be an issue.

Hog dogging will help get rid of hogs...NOT necessarily because of the hogs that they catch, simply because hogs will leave an area if they are under a lot of pressure/harassment, if they have other options. Hog dogging once in a while won't do it though, it has to be constant. Also, they will eventually be back. It never ends.

If the hogs are coming to your feeders and they are using your feeders to strike hogs, a very common practice by the way, simply turn the feeders off.
The big bucks will leave too. I promise...lol....
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Old 04-05-2017, 10:03 AM   #62
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Either way you are a sucker if u pay 2K for a bow only lease without a signed lease contract from the landowner and he now wants to give the hog doggers free reign to come chase hogs on any given day....like I said sucker! But I'm not on this lease...just a couple of my buddies
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Old 04-05-2017, 10:49 AM   #63
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As long as the hog doggers push the deer to the west, I don't see a problem....
Needless to say, we're not happy either.
They ran them on our place the last weekend of the season!
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Old 04-05-2017, 11:09 AM   #64
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West towards your place. Haha....
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Lol we and other people kill 160's dang near every year on places that get dogged a lot at times in the spring in summer. And this is in east Texas on big and really small places. It won't really effect anything, now. We generally hunt from the end of deer season through the spring and a little in the fall before deer season. I've seen hogs screw up deer hunting way worse than dogs. We have the real deal dogs that can clean out properties and places. We get deer leases call us right before season begging us to come run the hogs out.

I personally have multiple places that I dog that I move the hogs out before deer season and have a really nice season with hardly any pressure from them.

The one and only time I could see a gripe for disturbing the deer is if someone is dog hunting during deer season. But that's it and generally no one hunts their dogs during deer season.

Best place I know of in east Texas has been dogged for 40 years and they've killed multiple 200" deer low fence


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I agree 100%. Having a pack of hogs coming to a feeder daily or just every night will put more pressure on deer or cause deer to move to a different feed source than running dogs a couple times a month during the offseason. I see a lot more deer at my feeders and food plots when the hogs aren't visiting them.
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Old 04-05-2017, 12:37 PM   #67
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As long as the hog doggers push the deer to the west, I don't see a problem....
Needless to say, we're not happy either.
They ran them on our place the last weekend of the season!
Haha!
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Old 04-05-2017, 12:40 PM   #68
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Old 04-05-2017, 01:53 PM   #69
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We/I ran dogs on my place and neighbors places for years real hard from Jan thru March and occasionally other times. Never before or during season.

When your covered in hogs if landowners really care they will let you.....assuming your good people and they know you.

WOULD I LET OTHER PEOPLE BESIDES MY BUDDIES RUN MY PLACE: HELL NO!!!!

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Old 04-05-2017, 02:04 PM   #70
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The big bucks will leave too. I promise...lol....
I've seen quite the opposite to be true. They don't leave, they just stay nocturnal. My dad was asked by some deer hunters to run his dogs once during deer season, something that he never did but he made an exception this time, in an attempt to get game animals moving.

Mind you, he was NOT chasing deer, he was hunting hogs but this ranch was so big and fairly remote that the ruckus caused by the vehicles and hog dogs was enough to get animals moving.

Big/old bucks arent going to run for miles just because of a vehicle/dog/hunters though.
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Old 04-05-2017, 02:16 PM   #71
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IMO it has some type of affect on Deer Hunting but to what magnitude I don't know.
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Old 04-05-2017, 03:18 PM   #72
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Old 04-05-2017, 03:29 PM   #73
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This is hysterical !
Whats been posted ..
All Hog Doggers ... best thing in the world for a 30 deer average Mld working ranch ,small acerage, Bowhunting only lease, little to no cover , high preasured deer as is ( without hog dogs )that is far from the hill country !
Hang on ... wait for it ... wait for it ... .

Am I the only BOWHUNTER on here or what ?
You know pattern a buck , slip in only from time to time when everything is perfect just to check a cam . Never leave a single sign (scent) while doing so to keep that trouphy buck at peace and not alarm him , then Wait for the perfect wind , the perfect day to slip 1 arrow in him ?

I will say it again ... the worst thing a small acreage trouphy bowhunting only deer lease can do is run dogs on it !
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Old 04-05-2017, 03:41 PM   #74
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I'd find it hard to believe that running dogs through the same area for long periods of time wouldn't have an affect on the localized deer in said area.To me it just depends on how its spread around the Lease, and how often in one area.If "Uncle Toms" feeder is the "Hog Haven" surely it would have a affect if it was continuous..
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Old 04-05-2017, 03:44 PM   #75
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Your landowner should find an experienced hog trapper (the commercial guys who trap them and sell them). The commercial guys usually set multiple trap locations, and they often run their traps several times a night to remove multiple groups of pigs.

This, or a helicopter, is the most effective way to control your hog population. The problem w/ the helicopter is it is expensive, and I wouldn't really want a chopper low buzzing my place more than a few times/year.

For hog dogging to really control a large hog population, they will have to be on your place all the time.
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Old 04-05-2017, 04:20 PM   #76
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Hog dogs, and coon dogs for that matter, are HORRIBLE on the land. I don't care what the doggers say about their dogs don't chase deer, blah blah, it's all bull crap. You send a pack of bellowing dogs through any woods and the deer will leave. Maybe not all of them but the majority will. I've seen it, in person, over and over again.
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Old 04-05-2017, 08:52 PM   #77
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Hog dogs, and coon dogs for that matter, are HORRIBLE on the land. I don't care what the doggers say about their dogs don't chase deer, blah blah, it's all bull crap. You send a pack of bellowing dogs through any woods and the deer will leave. Maybe not all of them but the majority will. I've seen it, in person, over and over again.


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I bet I know who is running on your place. Call and go with him , if there aren't many hogs around the time they spend there is about to stop. By the way you are describing the place I question why you are even paying to hunt there.
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Old 04-06-2017, 07:35 AM   #79
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I bet I know who is running on your place. Call and go with him , if there aren't many hogs around the time they spend there is about to stop. By the way you are describing the place I question why you are even paying to hunt there.
Mike the place is next door to mine.
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Old 04-06-2017, 09:42 AM   #80
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I bet I know who is running on your place. Call and go with him , if there aren't many hogs around the time they spend there is about to stop. By the way you are describing the place I question why you are even paying to hunt there.
Last year was my first year on the place and my 2 big +'s were -

1) Location- it's close to my home and work. This allows me to mix hunting w/ working on certain days.
2) The potential for shooting a decent buck. Some good deer in the general area.
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Last year was my first year on the place and my 2 big +'s were -

1) Location- it's close to my home and work. This allows me to mix hunting w/ working on certain days.
2) The potential for shooting a decent buck. Some good deer in the general area.
Sounds like a good place and not worth raising a stir. I would think it would be best to work with the farmer and landowner. You may ask the farmer and landowner if the hog dogs can stay out during deer season. I will take dogs hunting once in awhile on our place and it does not run deer out like some claim. I doubt those people have any experience with it but just an opinion. Maybe my place is an exception, but I see the same bucks year after year and harvest some mature ones for our area. The worst thing to me is having a pack of hogs settle in on your feed or bedding area right before or during bow season.
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Mike the place is next door to mine.
If that's the case I'd spend a pretty penny to hunt there
I would have a problem with the dogs running around though.
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Old 04-11-2017, 09:38 AM   #83
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Hog dogs, and coon dogs for that matter, are HORRIBLE on the land. I don't care what the doggers say about their dogs don't chase deer, blah blah, it's all bull crap. You send a pack of bellowing dogs through any woods and the deer will leave. Maybe not all of them but the majority will. I've seen it, in person, over and over again.
The deer running from dogs and the dogs chasing them is 2 diff things. Nice comparison though

Deer will run from guys walking thru the woods
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The deer running from dogs and the dogs chasing them is 2 diff things. Nice comparison though

Deer will run from guys walking thru the woods
Coming from a guy that's comparing guys walking through the woods to a pack of baying dogs running through the woods. lol
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Old 04-27-2017, 07:53 PM   #85
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We have hog doggers on one of the places i hunt, and it does not run the deer off, it just moves them around making them hard to pattern and wirey. I don't need any extra challenge.

I would be just fine with that if the use of hog dogs was actually a tool with any affect on the hogs. But it is merely another form of hunting and I personally don't care for the extra activity in an area I am trying to deer hunt. In order to keep the peace I do not say a word as long as they stop prior to deer season. But if i had my preference they would not be allowed on our place. I have a feeder I would love to feed to bowhunt hogs in the off season, but ive tried that before and the hog hunters came straight to my feeder every morning. The hogs went nocturnal which meant i was simply feeding hogs for them to have a place to start. no thanks.

They have ZERO POINT ZERO affect on the hog population, no reason for them to be there unless you are just being kind.
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Old 04-27-2017, 08:49 PM   #86
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3k acres we run dogs all the time. The hogs move out for a little while then come back.
I go and watch for the fun as far as the dogs not tracking I call BS I have watched hogs come across the right of ways and then the dogs come on the same trail. I have had hogs run 5 plus miles to get away.
As far as deer it has no effect on them.
I welcome dog runners as long as I know how the dogs are.
17 hogs run down in one week that's 2 days aint bad.
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