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Old 09-30-2019, 06:54 PM   #1
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Two question

1. What do you think the outcome will be?

2. What do you you thing it should be?

I’m gonna say not guilty on both since I don’t think she was charged correctly
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She would have been convicted of manslaughter but the necessities for murder aren’t there.

Not guilty.
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Old 09-30-2019, 07:02 PM   #4
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She would have been convicted of manslaughter but the necessities for murder aren’t there.

Not guilty.
The jury had the choice to comeback with guilty of manslaughter, not sure how that works because it seems like it’s almost a double jeopardy. Pick one thing to charge and stick with it..
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The jury had the choice to comeback with guilty of manslaughter, not sure how that works because it seems like it’s almost a double jeopardy. Pick one thing to charge and stick with it..
Oh, then I think she’ll be found guilty of manslaughter.
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Old 09-30-2019, 08:24 PM   #6
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Murder ..not guilty
Manslaughter...guilty
Sexting...guilty
Idiot....guilty
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Old 09-30-2019, 08:37 PM   #7
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If any guilty is returned, expect an immediate appeal. A lot of good appellate records.

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It doesn't matter, 1 person's life has been taken, and the other ruined.
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It doesn't matter, 1 person's life has been taken, and the other ruined.
True..
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Old 09-30-2019, 09:25 PM   #10
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Manslaughter and the rioters will trash Dallas Texas
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Old 09-30-2019, 09:39 PM   #11
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I am sure a not guilty verdict will cause some police cars to get turned over and set on fire. I hope I am wrong. I think they can reach a culpability of knowingly. Cops are taught to be accountable for each bullet they fire. At any rate a horrible tragedy and lots of ruined lives all the way around.
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I’m interested to see if the “mistake of fact” argument made by the defense has resonated with the jury. A comparison (albeit an imperfect comparison) would be if a kid comes home from college to surprise his parents, comes in unannounced in the middle of the night and his dad shoots him thinking he is an intruder. Is the dad a murderer? I certainly understand the compulsion to “make someone pay” for the death of an innocent man who was just chilling in his own house but legally I don’t think it is as simple as the prosecution is portraying it
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Weird deal. I haven't paid too much attention, but was she ever drug tested/blood tested?
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Weird deal. I haven't paid too much attention, but was she ever drug tested/blood tested?
Probably so.

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I just hope I'm off when they announce it. I don't think she has a chance. Jurors prolly worrying more about the aftermath than the law....
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Old 09-30-2019, 09:56 PM   #16
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She killed another human, accident or not she needs to pay. However, I don’t think it’s racist like the news channels are making it out to be.
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Murder ..not guilty
Manslaughter...guilty
Sexting...guilty
Idiot....guilty
Sexting?
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Old 09-30-2019, 09:59 PM   #18
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She killed another human, accident or not she needs to pay. However, I don’t think it’s racist like the news channels are making it out to be.
I know it's not apples to apples, but if someone is in the street and you run over them should you pay?
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Yes, she was guilty of this. Nobody said it was a bad thing
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Weird deal. I haven't paid too much attention, but was she ever drug tested/blood tested?


Yes. She was not on drugs or alcohol.
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Yes. She was not on drugs or alcohol.
Thanks. I figured that was the case since it wasn't brought up when I heard her testify.
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Old 09-30-2019, 10:07 PM   #22
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Yes, she was guilty of this. Nobody said it was a bad thing
With her married partner.
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Old 09-30-2019, 10:09 PM   #23
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This whole deal is just most messed up. I'll just leave it at that.
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Old 09-30-2019, 10:09 PM   #24
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With her married partner.
That's on him

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Old 09-30-2019, 10:13 PM   #25
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Dismissal. Unless the jury has been given the choice to find her guilty of manslaughter

Shes been charged wrong. Stupid judge should have kept her brainless thoughts out

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With her married partner.
he could have stopped it. she's bats%&% crazy obviously. like you stated, it's a messed up deal all the way around. one thing for certain, there will be riots if/when she's acquitted. the whole thing is hard to figure
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Dismissal. Unless the jury has been given the choice to find her guilty of manslaughter

Shes been charged wrong. Stupid judge should have kept her brainless thoughts out

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If i understood correctly today, the judge said manslaughter is available to the jury.
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Old 09-30-2019, 10:18 PM   #28
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With the mistake of fact in play thinking in her mind it was her apartment the castle doctrine would apply. Don't see how it could be a murder charge. Think she will get a guilty manslaughter charge though.
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If i understood correctly today, the judge said manslaughter is available to the jury.
It's a weird deal. There has been a few things that should grant an appeal. I'm not saying she needs it but the trial has been a joke. I'm flabbergasted that its only taken a week

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Old 09-30-2019, 10:24 PM   #30
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She killed another human, accident or not she needs to pay. However, I don’t think it’s racist like the news channels are making it out to be.
Agree, she was grossly negligent to put it lightly. Murder no, but dam.. come on that was idiotic.
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Old 09-30-2019, 10:28 PM   #31
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Sexting?
She was sexting him as she pulled into the parking garage...she went to the wrong level, because she was distracted by the sexting....hence walked into the wrong apartment, which all looked identical....
As she walks up to the door it is ajar and she whips out her gun thinking someone broke in....a large black man appears and she shoots....

I can see how it happened...but she didn't murder him.... manslaughter...probably 10 years or so....
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Old 09-30-2019, 10:37 PM   #32
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It’s tough but I just don’t see how it’s possible to be that distracted. IMO man slaughter should be a guilty verdict.
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Old 09-30-2019, 10:41 PM   #33
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Something to ponder .... Guyger was officially “off duty”. She entered the wrong apartment as a “normal citizen”, and she is being judged as a police officer. Remove the uniform and view her actions as the average person who F’d up and shot an innocent man.

Upon entering the apartment, Guyger never once identified herself as an officer. She got startled and immediately fired 2 rounds. Additionally, she had medical supplies in her bag and failed to administer CPR or first aid to the dying man. When realizing she made a horrible mistake, she called a fellow officer and asked him to help cover it up.

I could see Guyger being charged with voluntary manslaughter (8-10 years). She’ll serve 5 and get out on good behavior. She took a life. Of that there is no doubt. A price has to be paid.
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Old 09-30-2019, 10:43 PM   #34
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I walked into the wrong apartment one day, completely sober, in broad daylight....me and the dog both. It scared the hell out of me, I'm glad no one inside was armed.
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If she is found innocent I hope the fire trucks are gassed up and the "all call" button is functional..

I know exactly what I would want the verdict to be if that was my son.. She wouldn't like it..
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I walked into the wrong apartment one day, completely sober, in broad daylight....me and the dog both. It scared the hell out of me, I'm glad no one inside was armed.
Sorry but I don't even know how it would be possible for a sober person to do that..

If you shoot a unarmed person in "YOUR" home you still stand a very good chance of going to prison much less shooting a unarmed person in THEIR own home...
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Sorry but I don't even know how it would be possible for a sober person to do that.. ..

I’ve done it drunk...


But I actually had someone in college try to get in my duplex with their key and bang on the door when it wouldn’t open. So I can see it happening.
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With the mistake of fact in play thinking in her mind it was her apartment the castle doctrine would apply. Don't see how it could be a murder charge. Think she will get a guilty manslaughter charge though.
With the “mistake of fact” being put in place changes this whole ordeal.
If defense convinced the jury she truly made a mistake by going into that apartment, and they truly believe that she truly believed she was in her apartment, then castle doctrine comes into play. By both of the items coming into play, and the jury truly believes she thought she was in her apartment, then she’ll be found not guilty. It’d be the same as you walking into your apartment and shooting someone. (I know, a bit confusing and odd but that’s how “matter of fact” combined with “castle doctrine” work out in this particular scenario)
If the jury doesn’t believe she truly believed she was in her apartment, she’ll get manslaughter.
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Verdict will be Not Guilty of Murder, but Guilty of Manslaughter and there will still be riots in the streets of Dallas because people think she should get Murder.
This one is on the DA for bringing that charge against her.
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The defense brought in a ton of residents who stated they had made similar mistakes. I’ve had a person mistakenly walk into my hotel room, and I’ve gotten into the wrong car before. I think a lot of people can recount similar experiences. She just happened to be a police officer who’s first instinct would be to start giving orders and then protect herself. There is no proof that she knew him, so there’s no motive for her to murder him. It was a crazy chain of events that led to the killing of an innocent man. If the jury follows the law then she’s not guilty, but I think she’ll be convicted of manslaughter, and I don’t really have an issue with that.
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Sorry but I don't even know how it would be possible for a sober person to do that..

If you shoot a unarmed person in "YOUR" home you still stand a very good chance of going to prison much less shooting a unarmed person in THEIR own home...


The Ranger testified, during his investigation, that 90 residents have wound up on the wrong parking level, and 23% of residents went to the wrong door.



So, it’s not impossible. Or rare.




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Old 09-30-2019, 11:49 PM   #42
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Sorry but I don't even know how it would be possible for a sober person to do that..

If you shoot a unarmed person in "YOUR" home you still stand a very good chance of going to prison much less shooting a unarmed person in THEIR own home...


Just curious, how long have worn a 10 lbs. badge on your chest?

And how many high risk warrants served?
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Just curious, how long have worn a 10 lbs. badge on your chest?

And how many high risk warrants served?
How do these 2 questions pertain to this case in anyway shape or form??
Was she serving a "high risk" warrant?? No..
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It was a accident that resulted in a person being killed. Does she have to pay for her actions I personally believe so but that’s not for me to decide.
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The only person in this case that was protected by the castle law is dead now... It was his castle not hers.. I'm not sure what all the confusion is about..

I guess it boils down to wether or not you believe her story..
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But I actually had someone in college try to get in my duplex with their key and bang on the door when it wouldn’t open. So I can see it happening.
A musician in Dallas went the wrong house a couple years back.He was whoopin on the door,rattling the lock.The guy inside started yelling at him.Guy outside was drunk,and confused.Starts yelling back,beating on the door even more.Guy inside shoots him through the door.
The guys house was a couple of doors down.Sad deal.

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How do these 2 questions pertain to this case in anyway shape or form??

Was she serving a "high risk" warrant?? No..


If’n I remember correctly, her team had served a high risk warrant earlier thar day with SWAT.

The daily stress, along with adrenaline dumps, would , in my opinion, make it easier to be/get distracted.. she prolly wanted to get home, out of uniform, and relax.

I hope that makes sense.
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Old 10-01-2019, 05:32 AM   #48
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Sorry but I don't even know how it would be possible for a sober person to do that..

If you shoot a unarmed person in "YOUR" home you still stand a very good chance of going to prison much less shooting a unarmed person in THEIR own home...
I did the same thing almost identical to what she did. Worked all night and when I got to my apartment the lot I always parked in was full. Parked on the opposite side and went to the first apartment on my left which is where the apartment usually was. Opened the door, walked in about 5 feet and noticed the apartment smelled good. I lived with 4 college roommates, our apartment never smelled good. I looked up to see a petrified young lady eating cereal. I apologized and backed out.
I do not think this excuses Amber Guyger of her actions, just simply saying it is easily possible.
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Old 10-01-2019, 06:02 AM   #49
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Apparently she walked into the wrong apartment and shot the victim believing he was an intruder. Her action is a response many on here including myself would take in the face of our home being intruded.

I personally believe she should have to pay for her mistake (obviously a huge and tragic one) but I don't see her intent was to "murder" the victim. Sentencing will be difficult but needs to be a substantial amount of time behind bars.
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I work pretty much work in downtown. I just hope I'm already home when it is announced.

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