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Old 01-05-2018, 10:27 PM   #201
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Can't go wrong with a 300wm. Crazy amount of ammo options for that sledgehammer.


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300wm gets my vote. Good stuff!


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Canít go wrong with the 300 win mag.


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Chew...I see no reason to have a hot rod round like the 28nos & limit it's ability to not take advantage of all the powder amigo with a short bbl. I would not go any shorter than 26".



I have a 7.21 Firebird or 7mm Lazzeroni...I'll admit it's a novelty gun with useable barrel life at around 1000 rounds, but it is a laser out to 400 yards with only a 4-5 inch line of sight using a 120gr Laserhead bullet by Barnes. It takes 99 grains of powder & a 30" tube to achieve this at a little under 4000fps. It's like a Swift on steroids & doing it any different would just create extra muzzle blast. What is the point if you cannot wring it out??



If you need a a shorter handier gun in the 24" range, I would build a 280AI or even a 7mag & keep it efficient & better balanced...my 280ai pushes 120's at 3400 out of a 26" tube.


Why waste such a great rifle on an ordinary caliber?

7mm Weatherby, look at what that thing will do.


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Old 01-05-2018, 10:30 PM   #202
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7mm Weatherby, look at what that thing will do.


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Won't stick with a 300 win mag. Only thing remotely close in .284 round is the 28 Nosler, without going ultra mag.
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How much for this one with a tbh discount? Lol.
https://aprifles.com/collections/rea...-6-5-creedmoor
This is my favorite one they have for sale on the website...
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So can a 6.5-300 be done?
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Won't stick with a 300 win mag. Only thing remotely close in .284 round is the 28 Nosler, without going ultra mag.
200 eldx vs 175 ablr pushed at 2850 run out to 1000 ftlbs within 50 yards of each other in favor of the win mag with drop/drift going slightly to the 7. I tend to think you could push the weatherby harder than that as well

You could certainly argue the viability of finding loading components or (god forbid) factory ammo choices/prices but the weatherby will hang
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Why waste such a great rifle on an ordinary caliber?

7mm Weatherby, look at what that thing will do.


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Ammo options and availability. Plain and simple. Never said it was the best round ever.


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Old 01-05-2018, 11:15 PM   #207
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Won't stick with a 300 win mag. Only thing remotely close in .284 round is the 28 Nosler, without going ultra mag.


But one is a .284, and one is a .30 cal, if you want a .30 cal go Weatherby, or ultra mag.


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Old 01-05-2018, 11:27 PM   #208
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Can't do much on that one, but it sure illustrates what a smoking deal the TBH special is!!!
Agreed. I'm on it.
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Old 01-06-2018, 12:01 AM   #209
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Ammo options and availability. Plain and simple. Never said it was the best round ever.


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I didn't aim to imply you were wrong, sir. I just love what that 7 Roy will do. For an elk caliber...mercy.


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Old 01-06-2018, 12:16 AM   #210
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Point of fact, if we're debating it...there's no reason everyone in North America shouldn't own a .264 mag.


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Old 01-06-2018, 04:52 AM   #211
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I think I might have to start working more OT!

I'd probably have to go 7/08.
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Old 01-06-2018, 07:50 AM   #212
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I didn't aim to imply you were wrong, sir. I just love what that 7 Roy will do. For an elk caliber...mercy.


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Itís all good just letting know why I voted for it. There is a multitude of calibers out there that outshine the 300wm.

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Old 01-06-2018, 07:59 AM   #213
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Posting this for the Creed haters First group from a new rifle after 2 sighters. Off the shelf factory $26/box hunting ammo that can be found almost anywhere. The match ammo is a little cheaper and in many cases, shoots better. We see it over and over again. For guys that don't load, how are you going to beat that?

Thatís it! Iím buying mine in a Creed. It can shoot over a week into the future! It says 1-15-18. Or is the bullet so slow that it takes a week to get to itís target? Haha
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Old 01-06-2018, 08:10 AM   #214
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Would a 338 RUM fall into this build. I called and a guy was checking and i hasn’t heard back. Thanks
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Old 01-06-2018, 09:01 AM   #215
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Thatís it! Iím buying mine in a Creed. It can shoot over a week into the future! It says 1-15-18. Or is the bullet so slow that it takes a week to get to itís target? Haha
See, there's the proof! Haha that should have been "5". At least I got the year right and didn't put 17 like I've done all week.
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Old 01-06-2018, 09:02 AM   #216
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You already have the reamers for the 6.5 PRC?
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Old 01-06-2018, 09:03 AM   #217
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Iím trying to decide between these two calibers as well. Iím leaning towards the 257 I think.


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I own a 257 Bob and a 257 Roy. The Roy is a Weatherby Vanguard RC that I traded a toolbox for, otherwise I may have ordered one from APR. I have killed an axis buck and a pronghorn with it. I donít know what animals you are targeting for the rifle build but I would consider the Roy.

If you donít reload I would suggest the 25.06
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Old 01-06-2018, 09:04 AM   #218
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You already have the reamers for the 6.5 PRC?
They told me yes.
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Old 01-06-2018, 09:06 AM   #219
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Would a 338 RUM fall into this build. I called and a guy was checking and i hasnít heard back. Thanks


It should.

Wishing the 338 Lapua would.......or even better a 338 Lapua AI
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Old 01-06-2018, 09:09 AM   #220
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Would this include 300WSM build? I currently have one, but am looking for something much lighter. Love the round, not the weight of the rifle.
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Old 01-06-2018, 09:32 AM   #221
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I’m still trying to decide on what caliber I want.
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Old 01-06-2018, 10:35 AM   #222
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Anyone care to give me any advantages of a 7-08 over a 6.5CM...
Iíve always wanted a 7-08 for Texas hunting, but seems like a 6.5 would get more out of a custom rifle. Which would be better with a shorter barrel?


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Old 01-06-2018, 11:01 AM   #223
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Anyone care to give me any advantages of a 7-08 over a 6.5CM...
Iíve always wanted a 7-08 for Texas hunting, but seems like a 6.5 would get more out of a custom rifle. Which would be better with a shorter barrel?


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I believe they are quite similar, but the 7mm-08 will allow you to shoot heavier bullets (better for bigger critters). But they should both be able to do the same thing.

I'm sure someone will come along and offer a far more poetic and accurate account of the differences.
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Anyone care to give me any advantages of a 7-08 over a 6.5CM...
Iíve always wanted a 7-08 for Texas hunting, but seems like a 6.5 would get more out of a custom rifle. Which would be better with a shorter barrel?


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Both will shine with 140-142g bullets, 7-08 will be about 150 fps faster at that weight.

Due to current craze there is a better selection of good CM factory ammo but both have good ammo availability.

There are other points of discussion between the 2 but none that a deer will ever notice.
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Old 01-06-2018, 11:52 AM   #225
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7mm-08 can use a shorter barrel 20 - 22 inch. APR recommends a 24 inch barrel for 6.5CM. I read several articles about the 6.5CM before I ordered it and one of the articles writer took a 6.5CM with a 27 inch barrel. He cut off an inch at a time and would check ballistics. He found the 24 inch barrel to be the best.
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Point of fact, if we're debating it...there's no reason everyone in North America shouldn't own a .264 mag.


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Yeah. Too bad the .264 mag doesn't have the ballistic efficiency as the 6.5 creedmore. But it is a very sweet barrel burner for sure.

Sorry Dale, I had to.
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I agree with the above. The cm is the hottest thing going today but will it be in 5 or 10 years...? Who knows....? Safe to say brass will be around for reloading as is true with any 308 based round such as the 7-08.

You could further improve the performance by going to a 708AI. Velocity would improve and trimming would be a thing of the past. Yet another excellent reason to build a custom that few seem to talk about.

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I did my part! Just paid my deposit for 2 rifles. One a tbh special for Jr in 7mm-08 and one a backup pea shooter for doc to take in to the mountains in 6.5-284. I have to say I thoroughly enjoyed the guys at APR a d they made it easy! Pretty sure I’ll be using them in the future and I don’t have the guns yet. Gonna be a long wait but I think Jr will have a good birthday in July!!!!
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Man so jealous right nowÖ congrats Doc


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So what is the difference between the 6.5 and 6.5-284.....Is the 6.5-284 a hand load or is there factory ammo for it....
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Old 01-06-2018, 04:54 PM   #231
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So what is the difference between the 6.5 and 6.5-284.....Is the 6.5-284 a hand load or is there factory ammo for it....


Midway has a pretty good selection of x284 ammo right now, which I find odd but itís a great round.

You do get more out of it hand loading though as is true with most calibers.


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Lazy, quite a bit of speed.
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Old 01-06-2018, 05:27 PM   #233
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So what is the difference between the 6.5 and 6.5-284.....Is the 6.5-284 a hand load or is there factory ammo for it....
Midway has like 10 different rounds for the 6.5-284. There are a lot more factory ammo options for the creedmore, and it will fit a short action mag, where the x284 would suffer badly in order to fit a SA mag. If that even matters to you.
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Thanks guys...I'll probably stick with the creedmore....
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I have a 25/06 sendero and it’s a tack driver and a 270, 30/06, 243, 223, 30/30, 300short mag, 22 hornet, and probably a couple more in the safe. Out of those rounds the 25/06 and 270’are my favorite. I’m having a hard time deciding what other caliber to go with. I don’t reload but one day I might, how much better is the 6.5x284 than my 25/06? Farthest I’m comfortable killing a animal is 400yrds because that’s the farthest I have practiced. So what would be a good caliber that I could kill with up to 400-500 yrds but maybe do some long rant shooting past 500yrds?
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I have a 25/06 sendero and itís a tack driver and a 270, 30/06, 243, 223, 30/30, 300short mag, 22 hornet, and probably a couple more in the safe. Out of those rounds the 25/06 and 270íare my favorite. Iím having a hard time deciding what other caliber to go with. I donít reload but one day I might, how much better is the 6.5x284 than my 25/06? Farthest Iím comfortable killing a animal is 400yrds because thatís the farthest I have practiced. So what would be a good caliber that I could kill with up to 400-500 yrds but maybe do some long rant shooting past 500yrds?


Looks like you are missing a good short action capable at that distance so 6.5CM or 7-08 come to mind.
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I have a 25/06 sendero and itís a tack driver and a 270, 30/06, 243, 223, 30/30, 300short mag, 22 hornet, and probably a couple more in the safe. Out of those rounds the 25/06 and 270íare my favorite. Iím having a hard time deciding what other caliber to go with. I donít reload but one day I might, how much better is the 6.5x284 than my 25/06? Farthest Iím comfortable killing a animal is 400yrds because thatís the farthest I have practiced. So what would be a good caliber that I could kill with up to 400-500 yrds but maybe do some long rant shooting past 500yrds?
I was in bass pro today and impressed with the 7mm-08 ammo selection.


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I have a 25/06 sendero and itís a tack driver and a 270, 30/06, 243, 223, 30/30, 300short mag, 22 hornet, and probably a couple more in the safe. Out of those rounds the 25/06 and 270íare my favorite. Iím having a hard time deciding what other caliber to go with. I donít reload but one day I might, how much better is the 6.5x284 than my 25/06? Farthest Iím comfortable killing a animal is 400yrds because thatís the farthest I have practiced. So what would be a good caliber that I could kill with up to 400-500 yrds but maybe do some long rant shooting past 500yrds?
What kind of critter are you after at those ranges? Deer? Elk?

Deer...257 Weatherby, 6.5x284, 26 Nosler, 6.5x300 Weatherby, 280 AI, 7mm Mag, 28 Nosler, etc...but I'm a guy that doesn't dial scopes and learns the hold over for my target. (I know, I know, I'm old before my time)
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What kind of critter are you after at those ranges? Deer? Elk?

Deer...257 Weatherby, 6.5x284, 26 Nosler, 6.5x300 Weatherby, 280 AI, 7mm Mag, 28 Nosler, etc...but I'm a guy that doesn't dial scopes and learns the hold over for my target. (I know, I know, I'm old before my time)
Deer, hogs and hopefully antelope
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224 Valkyrie or 6.5 Creed?
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They all work. Pick the one with the easiest to find factory ammo if you don't reload. But, honestly pick the one that makes you heart skip a beat when you think about it.
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I have a 25/06 sendero and itís a tack driver and a 270, 30/06, 243, 223, 30/30, 300short mag, 22 hornet, and probably a couple more in the safe. Out of those rounds the 25/06 and 270íare my favorite. Iím having a hard time deciding what other caliber to go with. I donít reload but one day I might, how much better is the 6.5x284 than my 25/06? Farthest Iím comfortable killing a animal is 400yrds because thatís the farthest I have practiced. So what would be a good caliber that I could kill with up to 400-500 yrds but maybe do some long rant shooting past 500yrds?


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Might be back in for this lol

22-250 or 204 for a good varmit/ popping a doe in the neck round?
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22-250 or 204 for a good varmit/ popping a doe in the neck round?
Never owned a 204, but I love my Tikka 22-250. Shot a doe in the neck a few weeks ago and dropped her. Shot a few hogs and a coyotes as well and have not had to track anything. I can only imagine an APR in 22-250 would be a bad @$$ gun.
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Joined the club yesterday. Ordered a 7-08, black stock with gray web, sniper gray cerakote and 22" barrel with spiral flute. Will be my first custom gun and can't wait to get my hands on it!
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Joined the club yesterday. Ordered a 7-08, black stock with gray web, sniper gray cerakote and 22" barrel with spiral flute. Will be my first custom gun and can't wait to get my hands on it!
You will love the 7mm-08! My good friend has a Christensen he carries for clients to use when he guides. It has killed eland and elk to deer and all kinds of stuff in between. I had one built for my wife and stepson and itís by far my favorite gun in the safe. Itís all we carry most of the time. We shoot barnes 120 grain ttsx out of it and everything dies.
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Old 01-07-2018, 01:45 PM   #248
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22-250 or 204 for a good varmit/ popping a doe in the neck round?
I'd love a 204, but it just seems a waste on a custom to me. I think a CZ Varmint or Tikka Varmint (if you could find one) would fit the bill on a 204.

My thought on a custom 204 is that it's not a long range cartridge and a custom wouldn't take full advantage as another caliber would.
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Might be back in for this lol

22-250 or 204 for a good varmit/ popping a doe in the neck round?
I have a 22-250AI that Robert built and it's pure poison.

We're I interested in a 20, I'd look at the Vartag. Search here and other places, it's a great little round.

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I'd love a 204, but it just seems a waste on a custom to me. I think a CZ Varmint or Tikka Varmint (if you could find one) would fit the bill on a 204.

My thought on a custom 204 is that it's not a long range cartridge and a custom wouldn't take full advantage as another caliber would.
If I remember when the 204 came out, they were talking about 600 yard accuracy. What ever it's capable of, a custom will do it better... Perhaps it's weight, bullet use or precision shooting.
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I have a 22-250AI that Robert built and it's pure poison.

We're I interested in a 20, I'd look at the Vartag. Search here and other places, it's a great little round.



If I remember when the 204 came out, they were talking about 600 yard accuracy. What ever it's capable of, a custom will do it better... Perhaps it's weight, bullet use or precision shooting.
Maybe so, but what would it's energy be at 600? Don't get me wrong, I seriously considered it myself, but for the price of a custom, I just couldn't justify it to myself in that caliber. To each his own of course.
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