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Old 02-27-2018, 02:37 PM   #251
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yea that's kind of what i was thinking the price is cheap enough that in theory we could feed the peas and put of minerals free choice also and still be saving some money but for us we arent as concerned about saving money if we arent getting the results
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Old 02-28-2018, 07:48 PM   #252
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Not that we have a choice of LE or DD but I'll stick with the Angelo Pellets

Def enjoyed all the info, great offseason topic and discussion!
No choice for me either. Does anyone know what Angelo Pellets TDN is? They sell several blends. I am using their cowboy 20%
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Old 02-28-2018, 09:20 PM   #253
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No choice for me either. Does anyone know what Angelo Pellets TDN is? They sell several blends. I am using their cowboy 20%
Iíll try and contact their company tomorrow and post up results if I can obtain the information....
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Old 03-01-2018, 05:37 PM   #254
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Another one added to the list at the request of Truckman:


These are the results we have for deer protein TDN:

Double Down = 82.6%
Bee County Co-Op Deer Pellets 17 = 77.8%
Lyssey & Eckel 20% = 76.7%
LoneStar Horns Plus = 75%
Exxtreme Racks 20 = 74%
MoorMan's Rack Plus Deer/Elk 18-4 = 71.5%
Record Rack 20 = 71%
Angelo Pellets - Cowboy 20% = 68.5%
AntlerMax 20 = 67%
Red Chain 20 = 65%
Fehner = 64.7%
MG 18% MVP = 64.7%
Livengood Mega-Rack = 63%
MG 20% ST = 60.9%
Red Chain 17 = 60%
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Old 03-02-2018, 10:50 AM   #255
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On post #236, JWHunt posted an updated Feed Analysis Report for the Bee County Co-op Pellets.

They are 20% protein with a TDN at 77.3%.
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Old 03-02-2018, 11:40 AM   #256
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These are the results we have for deer protein TDN:

Double Down = 82.6%
Bee County Co-Op Deer Pellets 17 = 77.8%
Bee County Co-op Deer Pellets 20 = 77.3%
Lyssey & Eckel 20% = 76.7%
LoneStar Horns Plus = 75%
Exxtreme Racks 20 = 74%
MoorMan's Rack Plus Deer/Elk 18-4 = 71.5%
Record Rack 20 = 71%
Angelo Pellets - Cowboy 20% = 68.5%
AntlerMax 20 = 67%
Red Chain 20 = 65%
Fehner = 64.7%
MG 18% MVP = 64.7%
Livengood Mega-Rack = 63%
MG 20% ST = 60.9%
Red Chain 17 = 60%
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On post #236, JWHunt posted an updated Feed Analysis Report for the Bee County Co-op Pellets.

They are 20% protein with a TDN at 77.3%.

Thank you for bringing that to my attention.... List has been updated.
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Old 03-02-2018, 11:41 AM   #258
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These are the results we have for deer protein TDN:

Double Down = 82.6%
Bee County Co-Op Deer Pellets 17 = 77.8%
Bee County Co-op Deer Pellets 20 = 77.3%
Lyssey & Eckel 20% = 76.7%
LoneStar Horns Plus = 75%
Exxtreme Racks 20 = 74%
MoorMan's Rack Plus Deer/Elk 18-4 = 71.5%
Record Rack 20 = 71%
Angelo Pellets - Cowboy 20% = 68.5%
AntlerMax 20 = 67%
Red Chain 20 = 65%
Fehner = 64.7%
MG 18% MVP = 64.7%
Livengood Mega-Rack = 63%
MG 20% ST = 60.9%
Red Chain 17 = 60%
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Old 03-02-2018, 11:42 AM   #259
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Thank you for bringing that to my attention.... List has been updated.
Thank you for keeping the list updated.
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Old 03-02-2018, 11:44 AM   #260
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anyone know the TDN for FMC pellets milled in Graham TX??
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Old 03-02-2018, 11:56 AM   #261
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These are the results we have for deer protein TDN:

Double Down = 82.6%
Bee County Co-Op Deer Pellets 17 = 77.8%
Bee County Co-op Deer Pellets 20 = 77.3%
Lyssey & Eckel 20% = 76.7%
LoneStar Horns Plus = 75%
Exxtreme Racks 20 = 74%
MoorMan's Rack Plus Deer/Elk 18-4 = 71.5%
Record Rack 20 = 71%
FMC 16% Deer Pellets in Graham, TX = 70.5%
FMC 20% Deer Pellets in Graham, TX = 69%
Angelo Pellets - Cowboy 20% = 68.5%
AntlerMax 20 = 67%
Red Chain 20 = 65%
Fehner = 64.7%
MG 18% MVP = 64.7%
Livengood Mega-Rack = 63%
MG 20% ST = 60.9%
Red Chain 17 = 60%
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Old 03-02-2018, 11:57 AM   #262
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anyone know the TDN for FMC pellets milled in Graham TX??
Just updated for you.


The gentleman who is over the deer feed there at FMC asked for this link so he could post more details. I will be sending him the link.
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Old 03-03-2018, 12:45 AM   #263
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Way to go Black Gold,
I just picked up 3 tons from Bee county Coop today.
JFYI, they will deliver for Free if you get 6 tons or more.
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Old 03-04-2018, 10:14 PM   #264
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Another one added to the list at the request of Truckman:


These are the results we have for deer protein TDN:

Double Down = 82.6%
Bee County Co-Op Deer Pellets 17 = 77.8%
Lyssey & Eckel 20% = 76.7%
LoneStar Horns Plus = 75%
Exxtreme Racks 20 = 74%
MoorMan's Rack Plus Deer/Elk 18-4 = 71.5%
Record Rack 20 = 71%
Angelo Pellets - Cowboy 20% = 68.5%
AntlerMax 20 = 67%
Red Chain 20 = 65%
Fehner = 64.7%
MG 18% MVP = 64.7%
Livengood Mega-Rack = 63%
MG 20% ST = 60.9%
Red Chain 17 = 60%
Thank you!
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Old 03-05-2018, 12:06 PM   #265
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60-65 TDN on the AC Nutrition 20%




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Old 03-06-2018, 12:55 PM   #266
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These are the results we have for deer protein TDN:

Double Down = 82.6%
Bee County Co-Op Deer Pellets 17 = 77.8%
Lyssey & Eckel 20% = 76.7%
LoneStar Horns Plus = 75%
Exxtreme Racks 20 = 74%
MoorMan's Rack Plus Deer/Elk 18-4 = 71.5%
Record Rack 20 = 71%
Angelo Pellets - Cowboy 20% = 68.5%
AntlerMax 20 = 67%
Red Chain 20 = 65%
Fehner = 64.7%
MG 18% MVP = 64.7%
Livengood Mega-Rack = 63%
AC Nutrition - Triple C 20% = 62.5%
MG 20% ST = 60.9%
Red Chain 17 = 60%
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Old 05-12-2018, 10:53 AM   #267
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I’m interested in seeing the tdn for sportsman’s choice feed and the house brand 20% at Texas farm store in Uvalde?
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Old 05-14-2018, 09:41 AM   #268
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Iím interested in seeing the tdn for sportsmanís choice feed and the house brand 20% at Texas farm store in Uvalde?
Sportsman's Choice is Record Rack...See below for that. Uvalde said that they have multiple mills make their house brand depending on what's available, so I would guess it is very inconsistent as far as recipe goes, but they said it usually runs 54% TDN which is the lowest on the list now.


These are the results we have for deer protein TDN:

Double Down = 82.6%
Bee County Co-Op Deer Pellets 17 = 77.8%
Lyssey & Eckel 20% = 76.7%
LoneStar Horns Plus = 75%
Exxtreme Racks 20 = 74%
MoorMan's Rack Plus Deer/Elk 18-4 = 71.5%
Record Rack 20 = 71%
Angelo Pellets - Cowboy 20% = 68.5%
AntlerMax 20 = 67%
Red Chain 20 = 65%
Fehner = 64.7%
MG 18% MVP = 64.7%
Livengood Mega-Rack = 63%
AC Nutrition - Triple C 20% = 62.5%
MG 20% ST = 60.9%
Red Chain 17 = 60%
Texas Farm Store Uvalde House Brand 20 = 54%
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These are the results we have for deer protein TDN:

Double Down = 82.6%
Bee County Co-Op Deer Pellets 17 = 77.8%
Lyssey & Eckel 20% = 76.7%
LoneStar Horns Plus = 75%
Exxtreme Racks 20 = 74%
MoorMan's Rack Plus Deer/Elk 18-4 = 71.5%
Record Rack 20 = 71%
Angelo Pellets - Cowboy 20% = 68.5%
AntlerMax 20 = 67%
Red Chain 20 = 65%
Fehner = 64.7%
MG 18% MVP = 64.7%
Livengood Mega-Rack = 63%
AC Nutrition - Triple C 20% = 62.5%
MG 20% ST = 60.9%
Red Chain 17 = 60%
Texas Farm Store Uvalde House Brand 20 = 54%
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Sportsman's Choice is Record Rack...See below for that. Uvalde said that they have multiple mills make their house brand depending on what's available, so I would guess it is very inconsistent as far as recipe goes, but they said it usually runs 54% TDN which is the lowest on the list now.


These are the results we have for deer protein TDN:

Double Down = 82.6%
Bee County Co-Op Deer Pellets 17 = 77.8%
Lyssey & Eckel 20% = 76.7%
LoneStar Horns Plus = 75%
Exxtreme Racks 20 = 74%
MoorMan's Rack Plus Deer/Elk 18-4 = 71.5%
Record Rack 20 = 71%
Angelo Pellets - Cowboy 20% = 68.5%
AntlerMax 20 = 67%
Red Chain 20 = 65%
Fehner = 64.7%
MG 18% MVP = 64.7%
Livengood Mega-Rack = 63%
AC Nutrition - Triple C 20% = 62.5%
MG 20% ST = 60.9%
Red Chain 17 = 60%
Texas Farm Store Uvalde House Brand 20 = 54%
Thanks
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Old 05-15-2018, 09:56 AM   #271
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Iíve had some folks question the validity of what these protein companies are telling me over the phone of what their TDN % is, so Iím beginning to request copies of their feed analysis reports. As I get them I will post them and will adjust our running chart as the information comes in.


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Here is the first one Iíve received:

Iím typing the feed name on the top in red.




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Sportmans choice also makes Antlers Plus 20%. Do you have any data on that feed? Appreciate it
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Sportmans choice also makes Antlers Plus 20%. Do you have any data on that feed? Appreciate it
I sent them a message on Facebook and they said itís around 70%
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I’ve had absolutely ZERO luck getting the analysis pages from the feed manufacturers. Still trying.
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Double Down = 82.6%
Bee County Co-Op Deer Pellets 17 = 77.8%
Lyssey & Eckel 20% = 76.7%
LoneStar Horns Plus = 75%
Exxtreme Racks 20 = 74%
MoorMan's Rack Plus Deer/Elk 18-4 = 71.5%
Record Rack 20 = 71%
Sportsman’s choice antlers plus 20- 70%
Angelo Pellets - Cowboy 20% = 68.5%
AntlerMax 20 = 67%
Red Chain 20 = 65%
Fehner = 64.7%
MG 18% MVP = 64.7%
Livengood Mega-Rack = 63%
AC Nutrition - Triple C 20% = 62.5%
MG 20% ST = 60.9%
Red Chain 17 = 60%
Texas Farm Store Uvalde House Brand 20 = 54%
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Corn is 80% TDN but wouldnt put a pile of that out due to acidosis and possibly dead deer. Think theres a lot more to consider along with tdn when looking at a good quality balanced ration. Ingredients, fat, fiber source, and most important starch level. Anything over 35% NFC will start to burn guts up and can lead to deer going off feed and worse case death. I would get NFC of all these as well
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Corn is 80% TDN but wouldnt put a pile of that out due to acidosis and possibly dead deer. Think theres a lot more to consider along with tdn when looking at a good quality balanced ration. Ingredients, fat, fiber source, and most important starch level. Anything over 35% NFC will start to burn guts up and can lead to deer going off feed and worse case death. I would get NFC of all these as well
Wouldn't that be a much bigger issue in penned deer where the feed is 100% of their diet..? Do you feel that it's an issue for free range supplemental feeding?
I'm trying to learn as well and interested in your take on it.
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What about Big Buck Feed 20 by Thomas Moore Feed?
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Wouldn't that be a much bigger issue in penned deer where the feed is 100% of their diet..? Do you feel that it's an issue for free range supplemental feeding?
I'm trying to learn as well and interested in your take on it.
Yes a bigger issue in penned deer for sure. Pasture deer would have more forage intake that would help alleviate these issue but still a concern. Especially in post rut when bucks are drawn down and stressed. Critical time to have a well balanced ration. If a ration is ďhotĒ or high starch itíll cause them to go off feed and have inconsistent intake. Bad combo when theyíre stressed and needing feed intake to recover even in pasture setting.
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Well, Double Down has been asked multiple times to provide a copy of their feed analysis report and they agree over the phone, but refuse to actually follow thru and send it. For the time being, it seems Bee County Co-Op has the highest provable TDN% that we can verify. At almost $4 a bag cheaper than DD, itís going to be a very hard feed to beat on both the TDN and dollar for dollar aspects.


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Well, Double Down has been asked multiple times to provide a copy of their feed analysis report and they agree over the phone, but refuse to actually follow thru and send it. For the time being, it seems Bee County Co-Op has the highest provable TDN% that we can verify. At almost $4 a bag cheaper than DD, itís going to be a very hard feed to beat on both the TDN and dollar for dollar aspects.


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Thatís one bad*** buck! What he score?
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lots of good info here
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Corn is 80% TDN but wouldnt put a pile of that out due to acidosis and possibly dead deer. Think theres a lot more to consider along with tdn when looking at a good quality balanced ration. Ingredients, fat, fiber source, and most important starch level. Anything over 35% NFC will start to burn guts up and can lead to deer going off feed and worse case death. I would get NFC of all these as well
What does NFC stand for?
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Theyíve been asked for an updated analysis due to rumors that now that they are mass produced, recipe isnít the same. They refuse to provide it. Iím not a feed guy so I donít know how often a feed company would test, but Iíd guess every few months at least. (Maybe Iím wrong). Instead, they keep providing the 2016 analysis report.

Maybe someone here can answer how often a feed company runs that analysis report.....

I donít have a dog in this hunt either way, just trying to provide the most accurate information possible. Maybe I should take a collection, buy 10-15 different bags of feed retail, and send all in for testing myself. I guess that would be the only fair and accurate way.

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Old 01-02-2019, 12:08 PM   #290
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Any info on HiPro 20% protein? We purchase it from Brady Feed & Fertilizer but I believe it's made in Comanche, TX.
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Theyíve been asked for an updated analysis due to rumors that now that they are mass produced, recipe isnít the same. They refuse to provide it. Iím not a feed guy so I donít know how often a feed company would test, but Iíd guess every few months at least. (Maybe Iím wrong). Instead, they keep providing the 2016 analysis report.

Maybe someone here can answer how often a feed company runs that analysis report.....

I donít have a dog in this hunt either way, just trying to provide the most accurate information possible. Maybe I should take a collection, buy 10-15 different bags of feed retail, and send all in for testing myself. I guess that would be the only fair and accurate way.
I was about to say send a ziplock bag of it to a lab.
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How do you tell if its the "feed" that works?

I've always asked myself the same question and really haven't found any proof one way or another.

Disclaimer: We feed a lot.
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Old 01-02-2019, 01:03 PM   #293
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https://servitechlabs.com/Services/F...7/Default.aspx

Iíll be getting a bulk load of DD soon. If I send a sample to Servi-Tech, should I get the Feed Tag test or the Ration test?
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Iíll be getting a bulk load of DD soon. If I send a sample to Servi-Tech, should I get the Feed Tag test or the Ration test?


I believe itís called the ďFeed Analysis ReportĒ.....


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Old 01-04-2019, 12:10 PM   #295
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From what I have been told, the percentages on the bag is only what the Government requires them to list....most protein manufactures don't tell the competition what they are adding....
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From what I have been told, the percentages on the bag is only what the Government requires them to list....most protein manufactures don't tell the competition what they are adding....
I asked DF&G about the changes in levels over time. We've been feeding their stuff for a while.

Jason told me the values are minimums and individual test will most likely test higher but the tag has to be "guaranteed analysis".

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Jason told me the values are minimums and individual test will most likely test higher but the tag has to be "guaranteed analysis".
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Thatís for the protein %....

Two feeds could both have a 20% protein content and one could have 75% TDN while the other had 50% TDN.... BIG difference there.
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Thatís for the protein %....



Two feeds could both have a 20% protein content and one could have 75% TDN while the other had 50% TDN.... BIG difference there.


I agree, as a customer I expect the same recipe I originally bought. If itís changed, i want to know.
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Double Down has been marketed as a consistent product in response to ďLeast Cost RationĒ ingredients from the big name pellets. Thatís why I bought in. If ingredients have changed, Iím not sure I still believe.

Squash this DFG or BH??
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Double Down has been marketed as a consistent product in response to ďLeast Cost RationĒ ingredients from the big name pellets. Thatís why I bought in. If ingredients have changed, Iím not sure I still believe.

Squash this DFG or BH??


All everyone wants to see is a recent feed analysis report. From what Iíve heard. Feed companies run them every few weeks. Thereís really no reason for them not to provide it when asked...... unless TDN% dropped.


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