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Old 06-15-2016, 06:48 PM   #1
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A friend of mine "won" a free hog hunt at the Independence Ranch. It's a two night, three day hunt.. Food and lodging included but they are charging $1/lb to quarter all pigs that are shot. They also encourage bringing friends, who have to pay. On the surface it seems like they offer the free hunt knowing the winner will bring some friends. They make up the free part on the quartering fee as a $1/lb could add up fairly quickly. Anyone have any experience with them? (I did do a search and nothing popped up)


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Old 06-15-2016, 06:51 PM   #2
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I wouldn't do it

Edit: I also have my own place to hunt pigs, and can quarter em out just fine on my own lol. Seems like you're paying them to do them a favor!
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Old 06-15-2016, 07:12 PM   #3
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$1 a pound huhThat could get expensive in a hurry! I would seek my entertainment elsewhere
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Old 06-15-2016, 07:15 PM   #4
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Gut and quarter them yourselves...?

Or shot a 5 pounder and hand it to the guide and say get to work and you want the back straps and tenderloins also
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Old 06-15-2016, 07:19 PM   #5
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They have a 3 day off season summer hunt for $99 and its unlimited hogs. I thought it was a great deal but then I read it's $50 to quarter and gut a pig ( pigs up to 50 lbs ). If the pig is over 50lbs then it's one dollar extra for each additional pound. No thanks
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Old 06-15-2016, 07:32 PM   #6
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Their website says they "only see a few mountain lions per year." That seems legit.


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Old 06-15-2016, 07:37 PM   #7
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How much to quarter a squatch should you kill one?
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Old 06-15-2016, 07:38 PM   #8
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Tell your buddy to steer clear. This guy has been scamming for a long time. I think he was even under investigation for these "hunts offered. http://texashuntingforum.com/forum/u...ww_huntinghogh
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Old 06-15-2016, 07:39 PM   #9
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You can probably run a search on here and he will pop up. Changes his website every so often to try to keep people off his trail
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Old 06-15-2016, 07:43 PM   #10
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https://www.texasattorneygeneral.gov...ildhog_pop.pdf
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Old 06-15-2016, 07:44 PM   #11
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How much to quarter a squatch should you kill one?


I'll inquire. I think it's a trophy fee based off a height:weight ratio relative to the gross weight on a sliding scale. Tipping the guide of course, is expected.


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Old 06-15-2016, 07:44 PM   #12
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Oh...and everybody wins. I won 8 times last summer.
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Old 06-15-2016, 07:46 PM   #13
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Gut and quarter them yourselves...?



Or shot a 5 pounder and hand it to the guide and say get to work and you want the back straps and tenderloins also


Lol this


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Old 06-15-2016, 07:52 PM   #14
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Wow- everyone should read this, if for nothing else some fantastic humor. Thanks for sharing. It's scary that people operate 'businesses' like this.


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Old 06-15-2016, 08:01 PM   #15
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So.... Does that say he is bad? I made it to the second sentence. Lol
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Old 06-15-2016, 08:08 PM   #16
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Nothing is free in this world. I can't believe that stuff still goes on.

Very sad.
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Old 06-15-2016, 08:15 PM   #17
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So.... Does that say he is bad? I made it to the second sentence. Lol
Worth the read. Dude advertises he has the mythical "black panther" on his ranch. Obviously a fraudulent misrepresentation as he is not in East Texas. Geeeez. Everyone knows they are only in the piney woods. Maroon!
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Old 12-05-2016, 11:30 AM   #18
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I WON!

A free hunt ain't so free when you have to:
  1. Pay $99 booking fee
  2. Pay $100 upon arrival for Guide Fee
  3. Bring your own corn
  4. Pay $50 for hog cleaning up to 50 lbs, and $1/lb for every pound over 50

I do believe that I'll pass on this opportunity.
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Old 12-05-2016, 11:45 AM   #19
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If food and lodging are free then hunt noisy and miss every shot for two nights and three days!
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Old 12-05-2016, 11:51 AM   #20
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If food and lodging are free then hunt noisy and miss every shot for two nights and three days!

hahahhahahaha
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Old 12-05-2016, 12:02 PM   #21
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"Relatedly, Defendants
fail to warn consumers about the danger to their personal safety due to the large
amount of armed hunters and sportsmen forced to gather in such a small land area,
which is enclosed by a high-fence enclosure, and who are all directed to travel in the
same clockwise direction back to camp after being dropped off in a pickup truck by
the ranch “guide.”"

Wow LOL
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Old 12-05-2016, 12:21 PM   #22
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The dude works very hard at promoting the place. Youtube him and you'll find plenty of ridiculous videos. I looked at it a couple years ago out of general curiosity and found that it isn't very hard to figure out the whole deal is a scam.

How can someone continue to operate a "business" after he has been handed a permanent injunction not to do that any more? Am I missing something?

Buyer beware for sure.
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Old 12-05-2016, 12:31 PM   #23
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After reading the Texas Attorney document I've got little to say except Holy Crap! How has this guy not been punched in the face?
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Old 12-05-2016, 12:39 PM   #24
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Bad reviews on these guys.
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Old 12-05-2016, 12:45 PM   #25
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There are more threads on this dude. I would stay away. Also, I signed up once, and did "win". No, I did not redeem my "free" hunt.
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Old 12-05-2016, 02:54 PM   #26
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PERMANENT LIABILITY RELEASE OF BAKER RANCH, PARR RANCH, NELSON RANCH AND/OR
CANDELARIA RANCH, LLC AND ALL D/B/A of SAID RANCHES.
From his release of liability form...can't believe he's still doing this.
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Old 12-05-2016, 02:57 PM   #27
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Wow! Guys like this really pizz me off
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Old 12-05-2016, 03:12 PM   #28
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Looking at their website, I'm scratching my head and doing the math in amazement. Prices are ridiculous with all the add-ons! Then I look at their Facebook page and see dozens of awesome reviews. Are these people that just don't know any better? (I did notice in the comments on reviews that many/most were first time hog hunters)
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Old 12-05-2016, 03:15 PM   #29
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Love his YouTube videos.. like the one about min. Caliber to shoot pigs at his place. Funny stuff.
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Old 12-05-2016, 03:19 PM   #30
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Let's see $50.00 to clean and quarter a 50 lbs hog and then $1.00 a pound after......isn't that still $1.00 a pound?
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Old 12-05-2016, 03:29 PM   #31
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According to the AG suit they have trophy Gopher and Black Panther on the place.....I want that package hunt.....always wanted a gopher.
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Old 12-05-2016, 03:32 PM   #32
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According to the AG suit they have trophy Gopher and Black Panther on the place.....I want that package hunt.....always wanted a gopher.
Tough little buggers but their coats are with a fortune.

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Old 12-05-2016, 04:14 PM   #33
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Hello from the Texas Ranch Boss!

A few months ago you entered a hog hunt drawing on our website: www.independenceranch.com

We just finished our monthly drawing, and your name has been drawn!

To claim your hunt, you can follow the instructions in the email that we are sending you, or you can access instructions at the following link:

http://texas-hog-hunts.myshopify.com...g-winners-only

There is a deadline to claim your hunt so don't miss it!

See us on Facebook at: https://www.facebook.com/independenceranch1/

You can also visit us on our YouTube channel:
https://youtu.be/9hgJBIRFcKg

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Old 12-05-2016, 04:41 PM   #34
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Hello from the Texas Ranch Boss!

A few months ago you entered a hog hunt drawing on our website: www.independenceranch.com

We just finished our monthly drawing, and your name has been drawn!

To claim your hunt, you can follow the instructions in the email that we are sending you, or you can access instructions at the following link:

http://texas-hog-hunts.myshopify.com...g-winners-only

There is a deadline to claim your hunt so don't miss it!

See us on Facebook at: https://www.facebook.com/independenceranch1/

You can also visit us on our YouTube channel:
https://youtu.be/9hgJBIRFcKg

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So..... for your "free" hunt, you'll pay $199 upon arrival and then $1/lb of any hogs you shoot. So if you show up and shoot 2 - 150lb hogs. You'll be out $500 not including tips.
Nope, nothing misleading about that FREE hunt....


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Old 12-05-2016, 04:47 PM   #35
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Hilarious!
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Old 01-10-2017, 07:51 PM   #36
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lol read the different sections of his website... a slave was once killed by wild animals there!


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Old 01-10-2017, 09:06 PM   #37
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lol read the different sections of his website... a slave was once killed by wild animals there!


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Did you notice that the ranch was once a part of Mexico. Come to think of it, the land that I hunt on in Texas was once a part of Mexico.
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Old 01-10-2017, 10:23 PM   #38
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What the heck is a Flying Devil Ram and are they any good to eat?
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Old 01-10-2017, 10:50 PM   #39
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He is known to have ocean front property for sale In Arizona, Just Reduced.
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Old 01-10-2017, 10:58 PM   #40
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just a quick clip from the lawsuit...

XI. INJURY TO CONSUMERS
13. Defendants have, by means of these unlawful acts and practices, obtained money from identifiable persons to whom such money or property should be restored or who, in the alternative, are entitled to an award for damages.
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Old 01-11-2017, 07:57 AM   #41
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The animals are considered tame and not wild. This is just sad. The State called it a canned hunt in 2010.
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Old 01-11-2017, 08:03 AM   #42
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Will someone please get PETA to look further into this dude?
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Old 01-11-2017, 08:20 AM   #43
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advertise on eBay, and other internet sites, that Defendants’ hunting area comprises
over 2,000 acres, along “miles of majestic mesquites,” when the consumer later
discovers that this is a misrepresentation, and that Defendants’ hunting ranch in
Gonzales, Texas encompasses no more than about 260 acres
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Old 01-11-2017, 03:46 PM   #44
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I still cant get past the whole "free hunt" but you're paying $1 a lb for cleaning. what a joke. I was fascinated with this whole scenario and spent a little time researching this guy and his ranch. I guess he just changes the name every couple of years. I've never seen such a misleading offer from a hunting service before.
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Old 01-11-2017, 03:59 PM   #45
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Gut and quarter them yourselves...?

Or shot a 5 pounder and hand it to the guide and say get to work and you want the back straps and tenderloins also
^^^ This^^^^
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Old 01-11-2017, 06:05 PM   #46
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Gut and quarter them yourselves...?

Or shot a 5 pounder and hand it to the guide and say get to work and you want the back straps and tenderloins also
You're not allowed to gut and quarter your own hogs. "Ranch rules". That's the biggest scam out of all of them, and this guy's ripping people off about 5 different ways
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Old 01-11-2017, 09:24 PM   #47
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I'm glad I came across this. I too "won" a free trip just today. I wasn't planning on doing it based on the cleaning fee alone, but all this other stuff is just icing on the cake. How is this place still allowed to operate?


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Old 04-15-2018, 12:53 AM   #48
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I did a hog hunt at Independence Ranch. I did a lot of research, and probably wouldn't have gone on my own, but I was with a group that had already committed. If you book it, your credit card will show it as a "Theme Park", and that is a pretty good description. It isn't really a hunt, but more of a carnival show complete with Ranch Boss and supporting cast.

If you like fees, then this place is for you. There is a $100 fee on top of your package--not sure what they call it but it must be paid in cash. There is an additional $50 "suggested" guide tip, which is pretty steep for what they do--basically tell you what blind to go to, and come pick up a hog when you harvest one. It is separate that from the mandatory cleaning/butchering fee, which is a $60 minimum, and a $1/lb after that. So a 100 lb hog will be $100 cleaning fee. That gives you the quarters, back straps, and ribs. For reference, a 75 lb hog will fit about the size of a large plastic food grade grocery sack, at least that is how much I got. I am not sure how much, if any of the tips go to the help since Paul collects it all in cash upon checkout.

All of the above is cash only. My guess is that this business, which also claims to be a church of sorts, is not reporting much to Uncle Sam.

If you want your meat turned into sausage, it is another $2.50/lb. Paul kept saying it was only an extra $1.50/lb, but when I ran the numbers they did not match his price quote. I am pretty good with numbers, so double check his quote if you go this route. I know I can buy sausage at my grocery store for about half of what the end unit price/lb was at the ranch. They also have a "wounded pig" fee of $50, so if you quarry gets away you still have to pay. I am all about pursuing wounded animals, but when there are 6-8 binds in a semi circle around a kill zone, it simply isn't safe to chase down a wounded animal. I saw several carcases laying around the ranch, so sportsmanship is not high on their priority list.

The accommodations are decent enough--basically a small bunk house for you group. All amenities, like TV and bathroom, are shared in a common structures (big dorm type bathroom, TV and pool table in main lodge). The food for meals was decent--mostly pork products as you would guess.

The ranch hands will be happy to help you with your whiskey, but don't expect any favors in return. They readily helped us drain our supply, but when it came time to collect our meat they turned into pretty stingy characters. Pretty sure our group only got about 2/3 of the meat we paid for, but I will accept that we should have paid closer attention to what we were getting.

The ranch is well stocked--there is definitely no shortage of hogs. The "12 mile" walk was really about 2 miles or so, and runs the perimeter of the fence line. They will tell you it is 4 miles of fence, but my feel is the ranch is about 450 acres or so. We walked most of it, and it wasn't that big. There are at least two law suits filed by the AG against the ranch for falsified info-- google it and the legal complaints will show up in the results.

You will see some cool exotic species, but know your back stop because if you take one of them down, you will get an unpleasant bill, payable in cash. They are a bit of nuisance really. There are also some larger dometic hogs that you can shoot--not really sporting, but if you want meat...

Bottom line--I have a "free" trip on the books with them, and I don't think I'll redeem it.

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Old 04-15-2018, 09:59 AM   #49
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I did a hog hunt at Independence Ranch. I did a lot of research, and probably wouldn't have gone on my own, but I was with a group that had already committed. If you book it, your credit card will show it as a "Theme Park", and that is a pretty good description. It isn't really a hunt, but more of a carnival show complete with Ranch Boss and supporting cast.

If you like fees, then this place is for you. There is a $100 fee on top of your package--not sure what they call it but it must be paid in cash. There is an additional $50 "suggested" guide tip, which is pretty steep for what they do--basically tell you what blind to go to, and come pick up a hog when you harvest one. It is separate that from the mandatory cleaning/butchering fee, which is a $60 minimum, and a $1/lb after that. So a 100 lb hog will be $100 cleaning fee. That gives you the quarters, back straps, and ribs. For reference, a 75 lb hog will fit about the size of a large plastic food grade grocery sack, at least that is how much I got. I am not sure how much, if any of the tips go to the help since Paul collects it all in cash upon checkout.

All of the above is cash only. My guess is that this business, which also claims to be a church of sorts, is not reporting much to Uncle Sam.

If you want your meat turned into sausage, it is another $2.50/lb. Paul kept saying it was only an extra $1.50/lb, but when I ran the numbers they did not match his price quote. I am pretty good with numbers, so double check his quote if you go this route. I know I can buy sausage at my grocery store for about half of what the end unit price/lb was at the ranch. They also have a "wounded pig" fee of $50, so if you quarry gets away you still have to pay. I am all about pursuing wounded animals, but when there are 6-8 binds in a semi circle around a kill zone, it simply isn't safe to chase down a wounded animal. I saw several carcases laying around the ranch, so sportsmanship is not high on their priority list.

The accommodations are decent enough--basically a small bunk house for you group. All amenities, like TV and bathroom, are shared in a common structures (big dorm type bathroom, TV and pool table in main lodge). The food for meals was decent--mostly pork products as you would guess.

The ranch hands will be happy to help you with your whiskey, but don't expect any favors in return. They readily helped us drain our supply, but when it came time to collect our meat they turned into pretty stingy characters. Pretty sure our group only got about 2/3 of the meat we paid for, but I will accept that we should have paid closer attention to what we were getting.

The ranch is well stocked--there is definitely no shortage of hogs. The "12 mile" walk was really about 2 miles or so, and runs the perimeter of the fence line. They will tell you it is 4 miles of fence, but my feel is the ranch is about 450 acres or so. We walked most of it, and it wasn't that big. There are at least two law suits filed by the AG against the ranch for falsified info-- google it and the legal complaints will show up in the results.

You will see some cool exotic species, but know your back stop because if you take one of them down, you will get an unpleasant bill, payable in cash. They are a bit of nuisance really. There are also some larger dometic hogs that you can shoot--not really sporting, but if you want meat...

Bottom line--I have a "free" trip on the books with them, and I don't think I'll redeem it.
Dang man, I feel for ya. That so called ranch is a joke and a half. I believe that place is under 200 acres, 180 I think. Paul def promotes it as a huge place loaded with all sorts of game. When truth be told, most animals are not there or maybe just one of a species he says. Pigs are mostly not wild. We have supplied him with many “show hogs” that they just turn loose. I won’t even sell to him anymore and neither does my buddies.
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