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Old 05-02-2019, 11:04 AM   #1
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I put red / green LED's on my pontoon they are only on the front. Do I need to add more to be seen from the side since my boat front is square? Anyone know if they have to been seen from the side?
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Old 05-02-2019, 11:19 AM   #2
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I put red / green LED's on my pontoon they are only on the front. Do I need to add more to be seen from the side since my boat front is square? Anyone know if they have to been seen from the side?
Yes they need to be visible from the side
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Old 05-02-2019, 11:24 AM   #3
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they have to be at a certain angle.
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Old 05-02-2019, 11:25 AM   #4
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Depends where and how they're mounted. Legally they have to be visible from the side, if that's what you're asking.
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Old 05-02-2019, 11:33 AM   #5
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Add some more LED to each side if you feel self conscious
Lots of diy on YouTube about this very subject also some very good diy deck lights
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Old 05-02-2019, 11:45 AM   #6
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Any craft on the water at night needs a very specific set of navigation lights, and there are at least 3 lights needed the reg/green on the front/side of the craft visible from dead ahead and to the side (and it must be from the same red/green light for the corresponding side. Must be visible 112.5 degrees from dead ahead to abeam (from the side) Red/Port, Green/starboard and a running light that is white visible 225 degrees from each side of front and be a minimum of 1 meter above the navigation lights... USCG and some TPWD guys are real stickler's for these lights... they must also be on at Sundown and remain on until sunrise... Been many tickets issued for boating without lights on between daylight and sun up!! This is especially true when running the Intracoastal waterway... (what most call the intercoasal canal or ICW)...
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Old 05-02-2019, 11:48 AM   #7
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+1 on adding those strip LED lights. I put some on my fish ski, about 14” in each color, and let’s just say they’re highly visible.
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Old 05-02-2019, 11:53 AM   #8
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All-around white light — 360 degrees visible from two miles.
Sidelights — 112.5 degrees visible from one mile
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Old 05-02-2019, 11:54 AM   #9
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It had to be 112.5 degrees. The only lights that are LED that are legal are put out by a company call TACO lights. That was last year so maybe someone else has came into the market. And you can’t run down the water with all kinds of light on. You lighting can not confuse oncoming boaters as to you navigation lighting. My reccomendation is the buy Coast Guard approved 360 light and red/green navigation lights. I usually warn folks the first time and after that just ask them to press hard enough to get through all three copies. Not sure what the price is where you are but our courts are $244 for Water Safety Violations

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It had to be 112.5 degrees. The only lights that are LED that are legal are put out by a company call TACO lights. That was last year so maybe someone else has came into the market. And you canít run down the water with all kinds of light on. You lighting can not confuse oncoming boaters as to you navigation lighting. My reccomendation is the buy Coast Guard approved 360 light and red/green navigation lights. I usually warn folks the first time and after that just ask them to press hard enough to get through all three copies
Hard to fix "stupid"...
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Old 07-02-2019, 11:28 AM   #12
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It had to be 112.5 degrees. The only lights that are LED that are legal are put out by a company call TACO lights. That was last year so maybe someone else has came into the market. And you canít run down the water with all kinds of light on. You lighting can not confuse oncoming boaters as to you navigation lighting. My reccomendation is the buy Coast Guard approved 360 light and red/green navigation lights. I usually warn folks the first time and after that just ask them to press hard enough to get through all three copies. Not sure what the price is where you are but our courts are $244 for Water Safety Violations
While anchored or tied to a structure, can you have any kind of light of any color on as long as they are turned off before the anchor is pulled? Thinking led strips that run the length of the boat.
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Old 05-02-2019, 01:41 PM   #13
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Old 05-02-2019, 02:05 PM   #14
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http://www.southernliteled.com/navig...ini-kick-pair/

Super small/super bright. might be good for the use you need
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Old 05-03-2019, 09:04 AM   #15
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Thanks all looks like I need to get USCG approved lights on it. Thank you all for your input.
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Old 07-02-2019, 03:26 PM   #16
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Duck. You can have lighting moored or on anchor. You just have to have the 360 anchor light on and visible. You can go down the lake with cockpit lights but it just can’t interfere or be mistaken for navigation lighting.
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Old 07-02-2019, 03:27 PM   #17
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Boating laws are very few. Google Texas Water Safety Act. You can probably read cover to cover in less than an hour
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Old 07-02-2019, 08:46 PM   #18
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The problem is so few people understand what lights mean what. To the average Joe boater its just green on one side and red on the other, white all around and we're good to go. The brighter the better. String 'em all down the side and that's even better.

Y'all have to realize to professional mariners they look at your lights to tell what angle in relation to their vessel you are running. It's very important that your running lights are correct. It's not just about being able to see you, it's about being able to tell your heading. When you string a strip of green and red leds all down the side of your boat they can't tell anything from them except there must be another Wally ahead.
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Old 07-02-2019, 09:00 PM   #19
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The problem is so few people understand what lights mean what. To the average Joe boater its just green on one side and red on the other, white all around and we're good to go. The brighter the better. String 'em all down the side and that's even better.

Y'all have to realize to professional mariners they look at your lights to tell what angle in relation to their vessel you are running. It's very important that your running lights are correct. It's not just about being able to see you, it's about being able to tell your heading. When you string a strip of green and red leds all down the side of your boat they can't tell anything from them except there must be another Wally ahead.
I love the sporties with the bright LED bars running down the ditch, I wait till they get close them pop em in the eyes with my spotlight
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Old 07-02-2019, 09:07 PM   #20
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I love the sporties with the bright LED bars running down the ditch, I wait till they get close them pop em in the eyes with my spotlight
Their biggest problem is they put the lights on the burn bar, then "I can see fine" works great until they turn the lights off and their night vision is ruined. This is why they have to leave them on once used. I've always put mine up on the bow, no problem with night vision then so no need to run with it on when other boats are around.

Having said that, intentionally blinding someone could be fairly libelous if they were to crash after you do it.
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Old 07-03-2019, 07:58 AM   #21
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Their biggest problem is they put the lights on the burn bar, then "I can see fine" works great until they turn the lights off and their night vision is ruined. This is why they have to leave them on once used. I've always put mine up on the bow, no problem with night vision then so no need to run with it on when other boats are around.

Having said that, intentionally blinding someone could be fairly libelous if they were to crash after you do it.
You donít get it, theyíre blinding everyone
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Old 07-03-2019, 10:17 AM   #22
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You donít get it, theyíre blinding everyone
OK so two wrongs make a right. I get it now...
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Old 07-03-2019, 11:13 AM   #23
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You don’t get it, they’re blinding everyone
You act like you're the only one they've run at with lights on. lol... I get it just fine thank you, and been there 1000 times (they're not THAT bright), but intentionally blinding someone with a spotlight directly in the eyes is absolutely different than some idiot running around with a light bar coming at you, a focused spotlight vs a bright non-focused light. Additionally if you're really blinded by their bar you wouldn't "wait til they get real close" as you said. I don't like it any more than you do, but you're gonna feel pretty bad when a boat you spotlighted runs into a dock and somebody dies because of your led bar pet peeve.

edit: I'm going to offer a story you may find funny. I'm always pretty careful to turn my light bar off when it points anywhere remotely at any other boats and don't typically even use it in the ICW, usually it's 2am so nobody to worry about either way. I was in the ICW a little after Harvey and there was still quite a bit of debris floating around. It was well after midnight on a weekday so nobody around. There was a barge leaned up against the side of the waterway as they tend to do while they're waiting. Well he must have been awake and wanted to let me know because as we passed by he shined his light down at us and we lit up so bright it was like daylight on Mercury and I could see the blood flowing through the veins in my arms. Was that you Leemo? He had the courtesy to not shine it in my eyes though, he waited until we were below him and shined down on us.

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Old 07-02-2019, 09:14 PM   #24
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IDK, I've heard of those with the LED lights installed in the rub rail getting fined for them not being coast guard legal, an one case of of someone fined at the ramp while the boat was on the trailer moving with the LED lights on.
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Old 07-03-2019, 06:00 AM   #25
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Boss. The navigation lights in the rub rail are illegal. You can have led lights on the inside of the cockpit but they can not interfere with another vessels ability to identify your navigation lighting.
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Old 07-03-2019, 01:17 PM   #26
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I have a light bar on my boat, but rarely use it. I mainly run in the dark, following my gps, or using moonlight, which is also pretty dangerous I guess. Nearly hit a flounder boat last year in the ICW, he had no lights on at all. Luckily, there was enough ambient light out that I saw him last minute. I'm also on the water way earlier than most, I rarely see another boat in the ICW unless it's a barge.
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I have a light bar on my boat, but rarely use it. I mainly run in the dark, following my gps, or using moonlight, which is also pretty dangerous I guess. Nearly hit a flounder boat last year in the ICW, he had no lights on at all. Luckily, there was enough ambient light out that I saw him last minute. I'm also on the water way earlier than most, I rarely see another boat in the ICW unless it's a barge.
Good moon or weak moon at the right angle is as good as daylight. Those flounder boats either look like a UFO or no lights at all, rarely see them with "normal" lighting. Light bars help people to avoid hitting not only floating debris but also unlit boats, can't always count on everyone having proper lights (cough, kayakers). Being respectful is key, don't blind other boats if possible... and mount the bar on your bow so your night vision remains intact enough to turn the **** thing off when needed.
edit: This isn't directed at you panhandle, just adding on to your comment about the unlit flounder boat and the moon running in the dark.
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Old 07-03-2019, 01:34 PM   #28
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I originally had mine mounted on my bar but had to move it to the bow. Kayakers are the worst, all the way around.
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Old 07-04-2019, 12:16 PM   #29
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I originally had mine mounted on my bar but had to move it to the bow. Kayakers are the worst, all the way around.
Kayakers are now out in the gulf , and never are visible on radar, and when we run on autopilot we really rely on radar to talk to autopilot to steer around objects in the dark , kayaks really should have a radar reflecting mast to be safe
Even when in or near the channel
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Old 07-03-2019, 05:39 PM   #30
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I can't stand those **** LED light bars. Seems like every idiot has to have one. I have yet to see a boat running at night with one on who actually turned it off when approaching another boat. They just blind everyone and don't care one bit. But then, it's all about me nowdays. We aren't worried about anyone else as long as I can see.
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Coastal I agree with you. I give folks a warning first time then ask them to press hard enough to get through all 3 copies. Figure if a warning doesn’t work $248 may
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Coastal I agree with you. I give folks a warning first time then ask them to press hard enough to get through all 3 copies. Figure if a warning doesnít work $248 may
Thank you SIR...Somebody needs to give them on the Public Roads/Highways also ...
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Coastal, do a count and I bet those guys all have them on their burn bar. Look at the boats that go by with just nav and 360 and I bet you see some powered OFF light bars on their bows.
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Coastal, do a count and I bet those guys all have them on their burn bar. Look at the boats that go by with just nav and 360 and I bet you see some powered OFF light bars on their bows.
I only see the ones that are on. I don't look for or care about the ones that are off. I see plenty on the bow and plenty on the grab bar or t-top that are on and burning out my corneas. In fact, I have had boats come by with LED bars in BOTH locations and all of them on. One boat had a big bar on the t-top and 3 smaller light bars on the bow, all of them blazing as he ran down the ICW meeting boat after boat after boat blinding everyone. In fact, 2 of the lights on the bow were angled outward so he could make sure he blinded anyone and everyone coming his direction.

There are a ton of idiots on the water these days. If you want us to know for sure that you are one of them buy you some LED light bars and run them wherever you go in low light no matter how many other boaters are on the water. You think you are cool, we all know you are an idiot.

I also have seen numerous times where guys are out fishing in total daylight and their LED bar is still on. They forget it is on and are out on the bay doing their thing, still blinding folks.

You can say whatever you want and you will not change my opinion of them. I hate them with a passion. I have run the bays my whole life in daylight and in darkness and I have never owned nor needed an led light bar to do it.
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Coastal. Only thing I may want one for is to turn on when I pull up to throw blocks. Then maybe I won’t have someone pull up last second and start throwing theirs on a point 100 yards away
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Coastal. Only thing I may want one for is to turn on when I pull up to throw blocks. Then maybe I wonít have someone pull up last second and start throwing theirs on a point 100 yards away
It'll be like a beacon to pull other hunters in. "Let's hunt over there, that dude has an AWESOME light bar, he must know what he's doing!"
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Coastal. Only thing I may want one for is to turn on when I pull up to throw blocks. Then maybe I wonít have someone pull up last second and start throwing theirs on a point 100 yards away
Thatís pretty much what I use mine for.
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