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Old 10-11-2017, 02:16 PM   #1
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Who else enjoys their muzzle loaders.
I have always hunted 90% with my recurve but am planning on spending a big portion of this season with a new .69 caliber October country rifle.
225 grains of 2F should move a 480 grain round ball 1800fps
Im fired up to use it.
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My October country .54 I have been using
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Old 10-11-2017, 02:48 PM   #3
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Old 10-11-2017, 02:50 PM   #4
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I have a 50 cal hawken that I like to hunt with, they are a lot of fun to shoot.
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Old 10-11-2017, 02:55 PM   #5
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Good pictures Buff. I've killed dozens of deer with a traditional muzzle loader since I killed my very first deer in 1977 with a .50 cal. Since '89 my primary has been a Lyman Great Plains rifle in .54. The last few years I've hunted some with a scoped Thompson Center Pro-Hunter in .50 cal, but I haven't enjoyed it as much as my traditional muzzle loaders.
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Old 10-11-2017, 04:47 PM   #6
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Love my .54 Renegade, killed a New Mexico elk with it 40 years ago.
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Old 10-11-2017, 05:03 PM   #7
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question for you guys...I just became interested in a muzzleloader and thought I would go with an inline but now I am getting more and more interested in going the traditional route.Everyone talking about the inline muzzys says get stainless and break open because they are a booger to clean...what does one look for when looking to get into the traditional market? like I need any more choices haha I had just made up my mind on a inline and now this gets in my head
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I have one I inherited, but have never shot it. I need a lesson.......
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Old 10-11-2017, 06:43 PM   #9
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question for you guys...I just became interested in a muzzleloader and thought I would go with an inline but now I am getting more and more interested in going the traditional route.Everyone talking about the inline muzzys says get stainless and break open because they are a booger to clean...what does one look for when looking to get into the traditional market? like I need any more choices haha I had just made up my mind on a inline and now this gets in my head
Go with a .50 or .54 in a T/C or Lyman
Traditional is more fun but pretty much a 50 yard gun with patched round balls.
The inline are not much different than a regular rifle 100 or 150 yards is no problem


It is comparing a recurve to a compound
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If you can find one that.still has a good.barrel a TC Renegade in .54 is a.great choice. Shorter than a traditional hawken and you can throw a big chunk of lead with mini balls.
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Old 10-11-2017, 06:56 PM   #11
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I have several but really enjoy my Hopkins and Allen under hammer .50 cal. When the Central Texas Black Powder Assoc. was still going we had monthly matches. Off hand out to 100 meters round ball only. Those were great shoots. and a round ball will kill at 100 yards. If you get started you will get hooked.
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With my Lyman Great Plains Rifle (pictured above) I have taken several deer at 100+ yards shooting a patched round ball. My load is a .530 round ball, patched with .015 pillow ticking lubed with Thompson Bore-Butter, 110 grains FFg black powder, and a CCI #11 percussion cap. I did change the open sight to a peep sight.

If you decide to go traditional decide what bullet you want to use. If patched round ball choose a rifle with a twist rate around 1" in 60". If you want to use a sabot or an elongated bullet opt for a twist around 1" in 28". A lot of modern traditional muzzle loaders were built with 1" in 48" twist which will do a fair job of shooting either patched round ball or elongated bullets.

For deer/pigs I would choose a .50 if I was going to use sabots or elongated bullets. If I was going to use patched round balls I would opt for .54, a .50 will cleanly take deer size game with a round ball but I prefer the extra weight of a .54 (230 grains) round ball over a .50 (175 grains).

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Old 10-11-2017, 09:46 PM   #13
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thanks for the info guys. Hmmm what to do, what to do. I was planning on making a purchase Friday but now it looks as if I need to do some more research
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With my Lyman Great Plains Rifle (pictured above) I have taken several deer at 100+ yards shooting a patched round ball. My load is a .530 round ball, patched with .015 pillow ticking lubed with Thompson Bore-Butter, 110 grains FFg black powder, and a CCI #11 percussion cap. I did change the open sight to a peep sight.

If you decide to go traditional decide what bullet you want to use. If patched round ball choose a rifle with a twist rate around 1" in 60". If you want to use a sabot or an elongated bullet opt for a twist around 1" in 28". A lot of modern traditional muzzle loaders were built with 1" in 48" twist which will do a fair job of shooting either patched round ball or elongated bullets.

For deer/pigs I would choose a .50 if I was going to use sabots or elongated bullets. If I was going to use patched round balls I would opt for .54, a .50 will cleanly take deer size game with a round ball but I prefer the extra weight of a .54 (230 grains) round ball over a .50 (175 grains).
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Lyman Great Plains is a great option I had a custom one with a green mountain target rifled barrel and I prefer my Lyman GP. All around great rifle.
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Old 10-11-2017, 10:35 PM   #15
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I got these two on a trade for a 30-30 I love shooting the Lyman 54 cal. The hawken I still haven't shot it .[IMG][/IMG]
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Old 10-11-2017, 11:53 PM   #16
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I really like my Pedersoli Missouri River Hawken in .50 with the maple stock. Although I probably biased, it just screams classic design. The wood is absolutely outstanding with and it shoots lights out with a mini-ball over 80 grains of pyrodex. I could certainly push it a little harder, but I honestly feel like it shoots better with a reduced load. Also, I canít really tell any difference with the deer Iíve shot!

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I will be hunting with a muzzleloader this year, they are fun to shoot. I have a new Hawken that came with two barrels I can swap out and hunt with a .54 cal. or a .62 cal. I mostly hunt public land that only allows archery, shotgun or muzzleloader.
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Never have even fired a muzzle loader

.69 Marty?????

That is a big hunk of lead

Lots of good looking guns on this thread too
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Old 10-12-2017, 08:23 AM   #19
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Blackpowder is my favorite kind of hunting hands down. I take the whole blackpowder season for public land off every year. I mainly hunt with a 50 cal Hawken Thompson Center percussion cap, but also use a 50 cal Hawken Thompson Center flintlock. That delay on the flintlock really messes with my mind haha.
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Never have even fired a muzzle loader

.69 Marty?????

That is a big hunk of lead

Lots of good looking guns on this thread too

bought it to take to Africa next year
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Old 10-12-2017, 08:33 PM   #21
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New gun came in last night. All I can say is WOW this thing is a beast.
225 grains of 2F will push a 480 grain round ball 1953 fps from about 10 yards from the muzzle. Any closer the muzzle blast messed up my crono .
My finger fits in the end of the barrel

Recoil is impressive but not painful

I can't wait to kill something with it

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All we get is one dang pic??????

I know you can do better than that!
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How do you guys clean your guns?
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Glass cleaner (amonia)
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Love my .50 cal TC Hawken with a no magnification red dot scope on it
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I love my TC’s my go to is a .54 Hawken. I would really like to have one of the October rifles. Wait time is extremely long. Pm me if you decide to get rid of one of yours!
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Love my .50 cal TC Hawken with a no magnification red dot scope on it


Thatís is awesome!!!


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So why would one want to fire round balls vs sabots? Also whatís the benefit/cons of a flintlock vs percussion? Isnít percussion more accurate?


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Buff, That's a good looking muzzle loader any more pics of it?
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Iíve shot both round ball & sabot...my dad used to pour his own lead for r-ball which I always bought was pretty cool.

Iíd say round ball is closer to traditional MZ & sabot probably for most hunters gives more distance and/or accuracy.
Also preference plays into their choice.

Iím no help on FL vs percussion bc Iíve only shot percussion

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Old 10-15-2017, 02:54 PM   #32
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Just depends on how traditional you want to get.

Patched round balls go way back to mountain man days.
Flint lock goes back further than that.
They are all fun
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Just depends on how traditional you want to get.



Patched round balls go way back to mountain man days.

Flint lock goes back further than that.

They are all fun


Ok. In a percussion can it fire round and sabots?


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Ok thanks. Why would you pick a 50 for sabots? Will a 54 not do as well with sabots? Sorry I know I can find a lot of info online, but I also like asking questions directly to people who know what their doing, unlike me! Lol.


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Ok thanks. Why would you pick a 50 for sabots? Will a 54 not do as well with sabots? Sorry I know I can find a lot of info online, but I also like asking questions directly to people who know what their doing, unlike me! Lol.


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Most of the developmental work on sabots was with the .50, as there just wasn't much interest in the .54. The sabots for the .54 used the same bullets as used in the .50 which meant a thicker sabot had to be used in the .54. The petals in the .54 sabot did not always peel back as uniformly as the .50 which effected the accuracy.
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Most of the developmental work on sabots was with the .50, as there just wasn't much interest in the .54. The sabots for the .54 used the same bullets as used in the .50 which meant a thicker sabot had to be used in the .54. The petals in the .54 sabot did not always peel back as uniformly as the .50 which effected the accuracy.


Great! Thank you. I found the Lyman deerstalker online, looks pretty decent. Reviews are great. Itís really perked my interest. Iím not into hunting with bolt guns, (or in line muzzleloader) at least not near like I am with my bow, but traditional black powder is very appealing.


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Buff, That's a good looking muzzle loader any more pics of it?
I shot 3 does with it this weekend..... It was fun
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May I ask what the price range is for the October rifles and are they made in USA? I have been looking at WB Selb for a rifle build, but this is the first time I have heard of October.
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May I ask what the price range is for the October rifles and are they made in USA? I have been looking at WB Selb for a rifle build, but this is the first time I have heard of October.
you can get a Liver eating Johnson .54 for around $2,000.00
The big stuff starts around $4,000.00 and goes up depending on what all you want to add
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I will call them today.
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Old 11-02-2017, 10:43 AM   #42
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Anyone ever built their own?; from a kit or pieces bought and assembled?
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question for you guys...I just became interested in a muzzleloader and thought I would go with an inline but now I am getting more and more interested in going the traditional route.Everyone talking about the inline muzzys says get stainless and break open because they are a booger to clean...what does one look for when looking to get into the traditional market? like I need any more choices haha I had just made up my mind on a inline and now this gets in my head
I have a flintlock .50 cal I might sell. Shot once. Has everything you need to hunt! PM for details if interested. I'm in Mansfield
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