Reply
Go Back   TexasBowhunter.com Community Discussion Forums > Topics > The Other Side of the Ranch (Firearms)
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 09-28-2017, 08:05 PM   #51
ckamp52
Ten Point
 
ckamp52's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2013
Location: Burleson, TX
Hunt In: young, county
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Razorback01 View Post
If this was in reply to my post, here is my response.

I've shot a TC a couple of times (another guys), my ML are Traditions, and I once owned a CVA. I didn't like the CVA, nor did I have good luck with the Powerbelts.

The lower priced brands (Traditions/CVA) in the metal and action have been just as good as a TC. The TC sights were much better. The TC stock was 100% better. In short, overall the CVA felt the cheapest, Traditions in the middle, TC was well above the other two. My favorite is my Traditions Hawken type sidelock, 90gns with Hornady lead on top.

They will all kill, just depends on how fancy you want to be.
Yes sir, that was for you...I think I am going to make a detour on the way home from the lease middle of next week and stop by cabelas and handle a few. I shouldered a few about two years ago but I don't remember what was what. I may be bugging the crap out of you about this before long haha
ckamp52 is offline   Reply With Quote Back To The Top
Old 09-29-2017, 04:23 AM   #52
Razorback01
Pope & Young
 
Razorback01's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Johnson Co.
Hunt In: where my Elite takes me!
Default

I'll be here. I might pull the storage box out this weekend and get a few pics of the necessities that you would need. I'll describe when used, what I do with it and the other guys can add their expertise.

I'll have to think up another word for one very important part that probably won't pass the swear filter. Actually it's two words if discussing the tool.
Razorback01 is offline   Reply With Quote Back To The Top
Old 09-29-2017, 05:15 AM   #53
Bayouboy
Pope & Young
 
Bayouboy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Texas City
Hunt In: East Texas
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by ckamp52 View Post
just got a text from cabelas and they have a ton of cva's and traditions on sale for the hunting classic or something...really want a t/c but hard to pass up some of these deals..someone talk me out of the t/c and that it is ok to go cheaper on this
CVA Optima will do everything you want. I really do not think you can beat them for the price. I own a couple now and they are very user friendly. The money you save will buy all the goodies you need to start off with. YouTube a few of their videos for more info.
Bayouboy is offline   Reply With Quote Back To The Top
Old 09-29-2017, 09:52 AM   #54
tbeak
Ten Point
 
tbeak's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: Colorado Springs, CO
Hunt In: Anywhere i can
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Razorback01 View Post
I'll be here. I might pull the storage box out this weekend and get a few pics of the necessities that you would need. I'll describe when used, what I do with it and the other guys can add their expertise.

I'll have to think up another word for one very important part that probably won't pass the swear filter. Actually it's two words if discussing the tool.
You must mean a nipple *****
tbeak is offline   Reply With Quote Back To The Top
Old 09-29-2017, 11:33 AM   #55
Razorback01
Pope & Young
 
Razorback01's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Johnson Co.
Hunt In: where my Elite takes me!
Default

I didn't think nipple would make the filter.
Razorback01 is offline   Reply With Quote Back To The Top
Old 09-29-2017, 02:54 PM   #56
Bowyer
Ten Point
 
Bowyer's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2013
Location: Barry Tx.
Hunt In: Texas & Oklahoma
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Razorback01 View Post
I didn't think nipple would make the filter.
Haha, he said nipple!

Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-G900A using Tapatalk
Bowyer is offline   Reply With Quote Back To The Top
Old 09-29-2017, 03:25 PM   #57
KYBourbon
Four Point
 
Join Date: Sep 2017
Default

I have a Traditions I picked up from Cabelas Bargain cave. It's the most worthless firearm I've ever touched. If I could bend the barrel around a tree I would. Mine is better served at a trash can ornament. Last year while walking to the stand the stock fell off, barrel got full of mud. Also had the little metal sleeve that holds the ram rod in place break off, so I had to carry the rod in my pack.
KYBourbon is offline   Reply With Quote Back To The Top
Old 09-29-2017, 07:46 PM   #58
trophy8
Pope & Young
 
trophy8's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: Georgetown Texas
Default

Think I have decided on the CVA accura nitride .50 open sights and adding a scope mount with max 1 thumbhole stock.
trophy8 is offline   Reply With Quote Back To The Top
Old 09-29-2017, 10:44 PM   #59
tbeak
Ten Point
 
tbeak's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: Colorado Springs, CO
Hunt In: Anywhere i can
Default

Nice you'll probably like it.
I just took my muzzy barrel off and replaced with my 308 for my 1st season tag I got today. One benefit of TC is the interchangeable barrels
tbeak is offline   Reply With Quote Back To The Top
Old 09-30-2017, 05:10 AM   #60
trophy8
Pope & Young
 
trophy8's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: Georgetown Texas
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by tbeak View Post
Nice you'll probably like it.
I just took my muzzy barrel off and replaced with my 308 for my 1st season tag I got today. One benefit of TC is the interchangeable barrels
I'm not exactly hurting in the nice bolt action rifle department lol. Factory TC center fire barrels probably won't meet my accuracy expectations anyway. Which is why I've never bought one. I've wanted one for a long time though.
trophy8 is offline   Reply With Quote Back To The Top
Old 09-30-2017, 06:32 AM   #61
trophy8
Pope & Young
 
trophy8's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: Georgetown Texas
Default

The trigger on the cva is much nicer.
trophy8 is offline   Reply With Quote Back To The Top
Old 09-30-2017, 08:25 AM   #62
tbeak
Ten Point
 
tbeak's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: Colorado Springs, CO
Hunt In: Anywhere i can
Default

A trigger job from Bellm is required for TC. There are much better options than TC for barrels. Bergera and MGM come to mind. But definitely a trigger kit and barrel lock spring. Completely changed my TC. I was intimidated by doing the TC trigger but it really was pretty easy
tbeak is offline   Reply With Quote Back To The Top
Old 09-30-2017, 08:27 AM   #63
tbeak
Ten Point
 
tbeak's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: Colorado Springs, CO
Hunt In: Anywhere i can
Default

Trophy8 yea if you're already set up on rifles then the TC doesn't suit a need. For me I like the interchangeable aspect. It is not the most accurate set up though if punching dime holes is your goal
tbeak is offline   Reply With Quote Back To The Top
Old 09-30-2017, 12:03 PM   #64
trophy8
Pope & Young
 
trophy8's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: Georgetown Texas
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by tbeak View Post
A trigger job from Bellm is required for TC. There are much better options than TC for barrels. Bergera and MGM come to mind. But definitely a trigger kit and barrel lock spring. Completely changed my TC. I was intimidated by doing the TC trigger but it really was pretty easy
The cva comes with a bergara nitride coated barrel too!!
trophy8 is offline   Reply With Quote Back To The Top
Old 09-30-2017, 01:59 PM   #65
Mike D
Pope & Young
 
Mike D's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: North Texas
Hunt In: Haskell County, TX
Default

By the time you buy the barrel and optics for it, there’s really no cost benefit to the TC platform.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro
Mike D is offline   Reply With Quote Back To The Top
Old 09-30-2017, 02:44 PM   #66
tbeak
Ten Point
 
tbeak's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: Colorado Springs, CO
Hunt In: Anywhere i can
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Mike D View Post
By the time you buy the barrel and optics for it, there’s really no cost benefit to the TC platform.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro
Not if you just want a muzzleloader
tbeak is offline   Reply With Quote Back To The Top
Old 09-30-2017, 03:20 PM   #67
Mike D
Pope & Young
 
Mike D's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: North Texas
Hunt In: Haskell County, TX
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by tbeak View Post
Not if you just want a muzzleloader


I know. I was just making a statement in general. I used to think they were a cheaper way to have multiple calibers.

But that turned out to be far from the case.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro
Mike D is offline   Reply With Quote Back To The Top
Old 09-30-2017, 10:00 PM   #68
tbeak
Ten Point
 
tbeak's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: Colorado Springs, CO
Hunt In: Anywhere i can
Default

I guess. Barrel runs 2-400 and scope is gonna get put on anyways. Cheaper in my book.
tbeak is offline   Reply With Quote Back To The Top
Old 10-02-2017, 05:58 PM   #69
Razorback01
Pope & Young
 
Razorback01's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Johnson Co.
Hunt In: where my Elite takes me!
Default

Trophy, holler if you want to go to Alpine and bust a couple of caps. I can't show you the 100% foolproof way with a muzzleloader, but I can show you what I've always done.

First and foremost, no oil/petroleum products inside the breech/bore.

First pic is some of the stuff for an inline, second pic is for my caplock. Some of it is interchangeable.
Attached Images
  
Razorback01 is offline   Reply With Quote Back To The Top
Old 10-02-2017, 08:51 PM   #70
Tx_Wader
Ten Point
 
Tx_Wader's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: El Campo
Hunt In: Jackson County and Utopia
Default

They're fun. I used to have many along with more than a few revolvers in .31, .36 & .44 caliber. Back then it was cheap to shoot and we'd have a blast just shooting them until we had to clean them to make them keep on shooting.

Used to clean the rifle barrels in a wash tub with hot, soapy water. Then dry and use a light oil.

Cleaning the traditional muzzle loaders was a job.

Shot deer with them a few times, no hogs we didn't have any back then.

Get one and have fun with it.
Tx_Wader is offline   Reply With Quote Back To The Top
Old 10-02-2017, 09:46 PM   #71
trophy8
Pope & Young
 
trophy8's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: Georgetown Texas
Default

Thank y'all for all the info!!
trophy8 is offline   Reply With Quote Back To The Top
Old 10-02-2017, 09:55 PM   #72
bossbowman
Ten Point
 
bossbowman's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2012
Hunt In: Bosque Grayson Hill McLennan Navarro Williamson Counties
Default

TC encore all the way, gun is a tack driver and more accurate than the expensive Knight we have with a green mountain barrel.

Last edited by bossbowman; 10-02-2017 at 09:58 PM..
bossbowman is offline   Reply With Quote Back To The Top
Old 10-02-2017, 10:09 PM   #73
sendit
Eight Point
 
sendit's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2016
Default

If you are wanting a ML to mimic the accuracy of a normal bolt rifle take a look at these. The imposed $1k budget isn't going to happen though, it's only money. I am thinking about converting a Cooper with one of Jeff's primer conversions and a Brux barrel.

https://www.hankinscustomrifles.com/...muzzleloaders/
sendit is online now   Reply With Quote Back To The Top
Old 10-02-2017, 10:38 PM   #74
trophy8
Pope & Young
 
trophy8's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: Georgetown Texas
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by sendit View Post
If you are wanting a ML to mimic the accuracy of a normal bolt rifle take a look at these. The imposed $1k budget isn't going to happen though, it's only money. I am thinking about converting a Cooper with one of Jeff's primer conversions and a Brux barrel.

https://www.hankinscustomrifles.com/...muzzleloaders/
Idk about what states will allow that though....
trophy8 is offline   Reply With Quote Back To The Top
Old 10-02-2017, 10:51 PM   #75
tbeak
Ten Point
 
tbeak's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: Colorado Springs, CO
Hunt In: Anywhere i can
Default

What ever you do go 50 minimum. Don't do 45. If if done a 54 if I had found it
tbeak is offline   Reply With Quote Back To The Top
Old 10-02-2017, 11:25 PM   #76
kmon
Six Point
 
kmon's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2015
Hunt In: Texas and Mississippi mostly
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by tbeak View Post
What ever you do go 50 minimum. Don't do 45. If if done a 54 if I had found it
Why? Never had any issues using my 45 or 50.

the 45 with a 90gr charge is more than a 45-70 which wiped out the Buffalo
kmon is offline   Reply With Quote Back To The Top
Old 10-02-2017, 11:27 PM   #77
kmon
Six Point
 
kmon's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2015
Hunt In: Texas and Mississippi mostly
Default

If you want ease of cleaning, find one of the Savage muzzle loaders that can use smokeless powder
kmon is offline   Reply With Quote Back To The Top
Old 10-03-2017, 01:42 PM   #78
tbeak
Ten Point
 
tbeak's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: Colorado Springs, CO
Hunt In: Anywhere i can
Default

We aren't allowed sabots here so I prefer a 50 minimum. Personal preference I suppose, why carry a 9mm when you can carry a 45?
tbeak is offline   Reply With Quote Back To The Top
Old 10-03-2017, 01:55 PM   #79
WyoHunter
Pope & Young
 
WyoHunter's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Central Wyoming
Hunt In: WY, NE, KS, SD, TX
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Bowyer View Post
Buy stainless for easy cleaning.
Buy a break over barrel, also for easy cleaning.
Read and follow the instructions for safety.

I have a CVA and like it alot.





Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-G900A using Tapatalk
Good advice!
WyoHunter is offline   Reply With Quote Back To The Top
Old 10-04-2017, 06:40 AM   #80
chrisk
Ten Point
 
chrisk's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Rockville,In.
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by TacticalCowboy View Post
Traditional or bust!! Lyman Great Plains or TC Hawken.
I love caplocks. Mine are not 200 yard guns but when using them I know that. I have both TC and Great Plain rifles. I have gotten pretty good deal on mine and they have been hardly shot.
With your budget you could get a ton of powder,bullets and still find a pretty much new TC from gunbroker(or any other auction site) or a new Lyman Great Plains rifle. You can get the Lyman with a a 1:32 or 1:60. Just a thought for you.
chrisk is offline   Reply With Quote Back To The Top
Old 10-04-2017, 07:07 AM   #81
retrieverman
Six Point
 
retrieverman's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2015
Location: Texas
Hunt In: Oklahoma
Default

I started out ML hunting with a Knight Disc rifle and later bought an a ML barrel for my Encore. I now use an Ultralight Arms smokeless muzzleloader.

In my opinion, the best bang for your buck is an Encore ML barrel (if you’re already an Encore owner).
retrieverman is offline   Reply With Quote Back To The Top
Old 10-04-2017, 07:21 AM   #82
nothinbutwelves
Ten Point
 
nothinbutwelves's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: TEXAS
Default

if your not going to unload every evening leave the gun out in the ambiant temp.via cab of your truck this will keep the moisture from happening,going from warm cabin to cold outside cost me a nice buck my powder was damp and i misfired the cap did its job but that was it,good luck it is a blast,
nothinbutwelves is offline   Reply With Quote Back To The Top
Old 10-11-2017, 07:13 AM   #83
ckamp52
Ten Point
 
ckamp52's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2013
Location: Burleson, TX
Hunt In: young, county
Default

I have a question about scopes for these...im leaning towards the fiber optic sights just to give it more of a challenge but if I were to go with a scope do they take a specific kind? I have an old scope I could throw on there but I keep seeing "muzzleloader scopes"
ckamp52 is offline   Reply With Quote Back To The Top
Old 10-11-2017, 07:21 AM   #84
randal
Pope & Young
 
randal's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2011
Location: Decatur
Hunt In: Crowell
Default

https://www.remington.com/rifles/muz...e-muzzleloader
randal is offline   Reply With Quote Back To The Top
Old 10-11-2017, 07:46 AM   #85
Dry Bones
Ten Point
 
Dry Bones's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2015
Location: Navarro County
Hunt In: East Texas, Whatever comes available
Default

Try a real muzzle loader first, then if you don't like it, get an inline. T/C probably makes the best on the market in my opinion, especially without spending a good sum. I took this doe last winter with the CVA in the Pic. Patched Round ball will get the job done.
Attached Images
 
Dry Bones is offline   Reply With Quote Back To The Top
Old 10-11-2017, 08:46 AM   #86
tbeak
Ten Point
 
tbeak's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: Colorado Springs, CO
Hunt In: Anywhere i can
Default

I wanted to try patch and all this year since I wasn't getting the accuracy I deemed appropriate. Found out I didn't have the twist for them. So I went to powerbelts
tbeak is offline   Reply With Quote Back To The Top
Old 10-11-2017, 09:27 AM   #87
Phillip Fields
Pope & Young
 
Phillip Fields's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: Chesapeake, VA
Hunt In: NC,TX, and anywhere else I can
Default

My set-up.
Attached Images
  
Phillip Fields is offline   Reply With Quote Back To The Top
Old 10-11-2017, 09:34 AM   #88
tbeak
Ten Point
 
tbeak's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: Colorado Springs, CO
Hunt In: Anywhere i can
Default

Very nice
tbeak is offline   Reply With Quote Back To The Top
Old 10-11-2017, 10:45 AM   #89
ckamp52
Ten Point
 
ckamp52's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2013
Location: Burleson, TX
Hunt In: young, county
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Dry Bones View Post
Try a real muzzle loader first, then if you don't like it, get an inline. T/C probably makes the best on the market in my opinion, especially without spending a good sum. I took this doe last winter with the CVA in the Pic. Patched Round ball will get the job done.
why do you say go traditional vs the inline? just curious as to what the advantages/disadvantages are for each. What should I look for in a traditional? I see them from $300-1200
ckamp52 is offline   Reply With Quote Back To The Top
Old 10-11-2017, 11:54 AM   #90
tbeak
Ten Point
 
tbeak's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: Colorado Springs, CO
Hunt In: Anywhere i can
Default

Anyone ever use one of those build kits?
tbeak is offline   Reply With Quote Back To The Top
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 01:14 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.1
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Copyright 1999-2012, TexasBowhunter.com