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Old 01-11-2018, 08:04 PM   #1
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My electric bill keeps going up. I pay <100.00 for eight months and <150 for four months. Had a ten percent bump last Oct. expecting another 10-12 percent bump this year as the utility is taking some coal fired off line and they have to pay to replace that.

I need 19 230 watt panels to cover my usage.

I expect my expense for the system to be 20k.
I guess it would be a 30% welfare credit but I really need to look into that to see how that works.

I will still have the monthly ďservice chargeĒ from the utility. But supposedly the extra I donít need will show up as a credit to use as needed. That will be tracked with a new meter.

Does anyone utilize solar for home usage? Any experience with how the welfare credit works?


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Have you shopped your electric provider lately?
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Old 01-11-2018, 08:09 PM   #3
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Old 01-11-2018, 08:21 PM   #4
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Take you 10 years to recover your money then time to start
replacing old solar panels
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Old 01-11-2018, 08:22 PM   #5
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Whatís your zip code?
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Old 01-11-2018, 08:49 PM   #7
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Ahh your in NM. Rules are a bit different outside of ERCOT. I would see what it would take to put new windows in and increase insulation / seal drafts. You may find that itís a better option to do this than solar.
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Old 01-11-2018, 09:02 PM   #8
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it would be normal that total supply systems will need a total number of square footage of panels to match the square footage under roof. Just consider where and how you would locate and support or mount that amount of panel coverage. Your roof is not likely to point the correct direction for all those panels.
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Old 01-12-2018, 09:27 AM   #9
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I have itOur system was just under $40,000, before any rebates. In my opinion, not worth it. If I had the panels on rotating polls, with no shadows.....maybe. Our savings on monthly bills are minimal.


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I have itOur system was just under $40,000, before any rebates. In my opinion, not worth it. If I had the panels on rotating polls, with no shadows.....maybe. Our savings on monthly bills are minimal.


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I wonít have a sun issue. The panels would be mounted on a ballast and placed on the roof. They would have direct southern exposure.

I just donít think it is going to be worth it at all for my place.


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Old 01-12-2018, 12:42 PM   #11
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I don't think it will make financial sense.
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Old 01-12-2018, 01:18 PM   #12
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I sure it is worth it.
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Old 01-12-2018, 01:25 PM   #13
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Your electric bills are $100, 8 months a year and $150 the other 4?

Am I reading that right???

I would count my blessings if my bills were that low.


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Old 01-12-2018, 01:36 PM   #14
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I think you will be much higher than 20K, more like 30K and still won't cut your bill 100%. At best maybe 50%. The numbers....

Current yealy....1400.00
Projected savings yearly....700.00
Cost 30000.00 - 9000.00 Tax saving= 21000
21000/700= 30 years to recover initial investment.
If you add in repairs and maint.......to dang long.
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Old 01-12-2018, 02:05 PM   #15
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there was a huge thread on here a few months ago about this may give it a search...guy that sells solar for a living even said it really doesn't pay off or make ya any money
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Old 01-12-2018, 02:07 PM   #16
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This may help:https://www.google.com/get/sunroof#p=0
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Old 01-12-2018, 02:41 PM   #17
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Why will it not cut the bill 100%? There are a ton of people living 100% off the grid using solar and battery systems.
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Old 01-12-2018, 02:52 PM   #18
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Solar has been around quite a while now. If it was all that great and paid for itself, you would see a lot more people doing it. I wish my electric bill was as low as yours!!
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Old 01-12-2018, 02:54 PM   #19
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Your electric bills are $100, 8 months a year and $150 the other 4?

Am I reading that right???

I would count my blessings if my bills were that low.


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Ha, I was thinking the same thing. Try 300-400 a month, sometimes higher. Sometimes lower.
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Old 01-12-2018, 03:06 PM   #20
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Solar is generally not worth it in Texas. It gets too hot and they do not produce energy at their highest capacities when it reaches the temps we do in Texas (hence why they are so popular in california where the climate is generally milder). They also become marginally less efficient year over year. You could probably make your money back from them and do some good for the environment but by the time you save you money back it will be time to replace.

The way I see it is that its just an alternative source of energy for your home, not a cheaper source of energy for you home.

I work for a custom home builder and this information was told to me by the owner of a solar company that does not even have a system at his own house for the reasons provided.
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Old 01-12-2018, 03:08 PM   #21
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Is a wind powered generator an option for you? I know little to nothing about these systems (wind or solar).
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Old 01-12-2018, 03:15 PM   #22
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We have 3 people here at our company that have whole home solar and feed back top the electric company. There bill is $7.00 a month, but the only reason they have it is because they had expendable cash from there business. They needed to spend it or pay taxes on it so they got solar. I talked to them about it when I built my house last year and after all the numbers where run its not a good investment. Just cheaper to pay the electric bill.
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Old 01-12-2018, 03:27 PM   #23
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No Way its a good idea
probably need to increase your home insurance to cover that add value
Probably never recover the money spent on the system
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Old 01-12-2018, 03:45 PM   #24
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I thought about going solar on our hunting property. Not there 90% of the time so I figured they might owe me money, but I'm glad now that I decided not to. Perfectly placed for solar, perfect roof too, but my electric bill is about $40/$45 a month, so it wouldn't have been worth it in the long run.
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Old 01-12-2018, 04:35 PM   #25
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Why will it not cut the bill 100%? There are a ton of people living 100% off the grid using solar and battery systems.
Short answer is those systems can't handle central heat and air. If you can live in Texas w/o ac you are good to go.
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If you did go solar I'd consider placing them beside the house and not on the roof.
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Old 01-12-2018, 06:41 PM   #28
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I think you will be much higher than 20K, more like 30K and still won't cut your bill 100%. At best maybe 50%. The numbers....

Current yealy....1400.00
Projected savings yearly....700.00
Cost 30000.00 - 9000.00 Tax saving= 21000
21000/700= 30 years to recover initial investment.
If you add in repairs and maint.......to dang long.
The cost is for 12 years. Roughly 25k then the rebate brings it down a bit. Enough system to cover 102% of my highest monthly usage. The company warranties for twenty years. But who knows if they will even be around by then. The monthly bill to the energy company would be seven bucks. On paper anyway.

Just under a 5kw system.

Not really interested in 5.79 a watt.

The retired neighbors are getting them installed. Not sure how they are going to recover the cost.
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Your electric bills are $100, 8 months a year and $150 the other 4?

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Yes that is correct. Since the utility provider is having to take coal fired plants off line they have to be able to increase rates to make up the lost power to the grid with less efficient, more expensive power sources
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Yes that is correct. Since the utility provider is having to take coal fired plants off line they have to be able to increase rates to make up the lost power to the grid with less efficient, more expensive power sources


What I was getting at is your electric bills are cheap.

My bill is $200-300 between May and October. Nov-April $75-150.

I have thought about putting some panels on my house but I donít think the cost will offset the bill enough to make it worth it.

FYI my house is 2000 sqft and was built in 2007.


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Old 01-12-2018, 07:31 PM   #31
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Yeah thatís what I was thinking. I have too many thermostat ninjas in my house.
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Old 01-12-2018, 10:14 PM   #32
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What I was getting at is your electric bills are cheap.

My bill is $200-300 between May and October. Nov-April $75-150.

I have thought about putting some panels on my house but I donít think the cost will offset the bill enough to make it worth it.

FYI my house is 2000 sqft and was built in 2007.


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About the same age and sized home. Plus the wife works full time from her home office so she keeps the house comfortable.
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Old 01-12-2018, 10:57 PM   #33
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I’m actually a solar salesman. 230 watt panels are not used very often, we typically install 290 watt panels. Solar does make sense and can generally save people a pretty good chunk of money. It all depends on if you are looking to finance or pay cash. As stated in the thread, efficiency measures definitely matter and are a cheaper way of saving money on your electric bill. Solar just adds to the benefit of windows, duct sealing and radiant barrier. By no means am I trying to give you a sales pitch but if you would like some more info, feel free to give me a shout. In my honest opinion, a 5kw system probably isn’t going to offset that much of your bill but I would be glad to just punch your numbers into my system to give you an unbiased proposal.
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We put a 10kw system on our house when we remodeled. We added about 1800 sq ft on top of our house with a second floor. Another water heater and central unit, two bedrooms. Our bills are the same as they were before the addition. We're pleased with the decision.
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Not anywhere near worth it.
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Solar is only good if you can get another hefty liberal government rebate like in California. Solar degradation, battery degradation, still paying a base electric bill ($20 or so in my area), etc kills the return.
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No backup batteries with this system. The system is totally dependent on natural resources if it is not producing power.
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No backup batteries with this system. The system is totally dependent on natural resources if it is not producing power.
So you still run AC at night off regular electricity?

I don't even see why this thread topic comes up. I think 99% of people know it's never worth it. It's like running numbers all day on ice savings so one can feel good about buying a Yeti.

IMO it's going to be 10-20 years before solar gets good enough to even consider. One of the biggest waste of taxpayer money we have.
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The biggest sale point this salesman had was these panels store energy for nighttime and cloudy day usage. I did not buy it but I saw the truck out there putting up panels on the neighbors place so Iím sure they did.


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Without a battery backup, solar panels don’t store anything. They only produce when the sun is out and cloudy days don’t do anything for production. There is a black eye on solar for this very reason. No offense at all, but your solar guy is lying to you
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On residential, the roi is generally 7-12 years. It’s an investment, if you like paying a bill that will never end and give you zero roi, more power to you. I try to offset at least 90% of the electric usage and if it doesn’t make sense in the situation I’m working, I’ll be the first to tell you. I’m definitely not a liberal or green minded but I do believe in saving money when and if I can. My whole adult life I’ve been in the oilfield and when I changed careers I was skeptical as well. I get that most people don’t think it is worth it, I was one of those people but it does work in a lot of circumstances
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On residential, the roi is generally 7-12 years. Itís an investment, if you like paying a bill that will never end and give you zero roi, more power to you. I try to offset at least 90% of the electric usage and if it doesnít make sense in the situation Iím working, Iíll be the first to tell you. Iím definitely not a liberal or green minded but I do believe in saving money when and if I can. My whole adult life Iíve been in the oilfield and when I changed careers I was skeptical as well. I get that most people donít think it is worth it, I was one of those people but it does work in a lot of circumstances


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