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Encinal · 12-19-2017, 09:22 AM

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Thorcules · 12-19-2017, 09:23 AM

Holy Moly!

RascalArms · 12-19-2017, 09:45 AM

Good GOSH!

JeffK · 12-19-2017, 09:46 AM

I was thinking his drops lost some length in the trailcam pic you posted previously, but they look pretty good in those pics!

fullsizeaggie · 12-19-2017, 10:10 AM

Have you seen these traits in any other deer since 30 years ago?

I would let him spread his seed!

Buck Slayer · 12-19-2017, 10:22 AM

sheesh!

Doublelunger · 12-19-2017, 10:27 AM

Jump and fly jump and die; if the highway dont get him the neighbors will... but man what a buck

Encinal · 12-19-2017, 10:34 AM

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Originally Posted by fullsizeaggie

Have you seen these traits in any other deer since 30 years ago?

I would let him spread his seed!

I’ve seen more than 1 drop on one side... but never more than 1 on two sides.

GarGuy · 12-19-2017, 01:32 PM

So..the decision is made to give him another year? hes a true giant now.

BrokenJ · 12-19-2017, 03:51 PM

Dream dmp buck

Leon County Slayer · 12-19-2017, 04:11 PM

tough one to let walk but if he makes next year, I can't imagine.

Encinal · 12-19-2017, 07:17 PM

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Originally Posted by BrokenJ

Dream dmp buck

He’s cooler because he’s not

Dale Moser · 12-19-2017, 08:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Encinal

He’s cooler because he’s not

I love this.

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finz · 12-19-2017, 08:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Encinal

He’s cooler because he’s not

^^^^^ Love it, Great deer Sir

Mary · 12-19-2017, 09:06 PM

What a cool buck! As awesome as he looks from the back...really hopefully... you have some pics head on?

Encinal · 12-20-2017, 11:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Mary

What a cool buck! As awesome as he looks from the back...really hopefully... you have some pics head on?

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Mary · 12-20-2017, 11:14 PM

Wow! Even better than I imagined.
What a trophy!!!

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MarkV · 12-21-2017, 05:48 AM

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Absolute stud. Can't wait to see him next year.

Encinal · 12-21-2017, 08:36 AM

Both Last year. I think he scores about the same now, he’s lost a little tine length but I think has a lot more frame.

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JRL · 12-21-2017, 08:41 AM

amazing! thanks for sharing

solocam_aggie · 12-21-2017, 08:43 AM

I would need a new pair of drawers if that dude walked out in front of me!

bullets13 · 12-21-2017, 08:59 AM

Crazy buck

Sticks&Strings · 12-21-2017, 11:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Encinal

Both Last year. I think he scores about the same now, he’s lost a little tine length but I think has a lot more frame.

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I'm glad you are letting him go another year...or three.

by the time you shoot him, his drops may be so big you could flip his horns upside down or right side up and he will have the same typical score. Lol! Great buck. Thx for sharing.

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Mailman · 12-21-2017, 01:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Encinal

He’s cooler because he’s not

Not that there is ANYTHING wrong with DMP Pens, but this statement couldn't be any truer!!!

What a beautiful buck Marko... Thanks for sharing him with us. I am hoping for a banner rain year next Spring, I want to see what this guy can do.

If I owned your place, I would name this deer, "Drop It Like Its Hawt!!!"

SwampRabbit · 12-21-2017, 01:46 PM

Good grief... what a dandy!

allenshawn1 · 12-21-2017, 01:49 PM

If you didn't have so many different pics, I would swear the pics were photoshopped. Amazing. Im guessing high fence?

Encinal · 12-21-2017, 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Mailman

Not that there is ANYTHING wrong with DMP Pens, but this statement couldn't be any truer!!!

What a beautiful buck Marko... Thanks for sharing him with us. I am hoping for a banner rain year next Spring, I want to see what this guy can do.

If I owned your place, I would name this deer, "Drop It Like Its Hawt!!!"

One of the guys last year started calling him “The Sawfish”.

SabreKiller · 12-21-2017, 02:25 PM

Holy Moses! What a deer! Ain't no way I'd let him walk.

Pstraw · 12-21-2017, 03:09 PM

B B B B B B bad to the bone for sure. A beautiful deer in anybody's book.

kruppa24 · 12-21-2017, 03:22 PM

Wow!

Lawhunter · 12-21-2017, 03:28 PM

Goodness!!!

Encinal · 12-21-2017, 04:02 PM

This Year

BW96 · 12-21-2017, 06:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Encinal

This Year

Las Raices Ranch Drop Tine Buck â€œThe Sawfishâ€ - YouTube

How did you get that video?? That's awesome

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Catarina · 12-21-2017, 07:08 PM

that drone video is bad aa*****$, such a cool idea. It's funny even a deer doesn't like to be followed by one

What do ya'll think he scores this year

finz · 12-21-2017, 09:55 PM

That is one bad mutha, congrats on raising such a beast ( again) thanks for sharing!!

FCTrapper · 12-22-2017, 06:55 AM

God I love that "Red Dirt"... Nice Buck too

BrokenJ · 12-22-2017, 12:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Encinal

He’s cooler because he’s not

Dmp as in native deer caught and put with 20 does. Not as in bought and placed with 20 does. Big difference. I get it if you and other thought I meant breeder deer.

Encinal · 12-22-2017, 12:49 PM

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Originally Posted by BrokenJ

Dmp as in native deer caught and put with 20 does. Not as in bought and placed with 20 does. Big difference. I get it if you and other thought I meant breeder deer.

DMP native to native is still a breeding program, and what comes out of that is something less than native.

redfishted · 12-22-2017, 01:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Encinal

DMP native to native is still a breeding program, and what comes out of that is something less than native.

Couldn't disagree with your statement more, If you are putting a native buck in with native does, you are manipulating your breeding, but the results are still 100% native.

Encinal · 12-22-2017, 01:25 PM

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Originally Posted by redfishted

Couldn't disagree with your statement more, If you are putting a native buck in with native does, you are manipulating your breeding, but the results are still 100% native.

If you are deciding who breeds who and increasing an individual bucks influence on your herd by large magnitudes... and then breeding back as is so often the case, it’s a breeding program and you have gone away from native.

You can’t breed deer and be 100% native. You can have 100% Texas genetics, but you aren’t native anymore.

centex_aggie · 12-22-2017, 01:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Encinal

If you are deciding who breeds who and increasing an individual bucks influence on your herd by large magnitudes... and then breeding back as is so often the case, it’s a breeding program and you have gone away from native.

You can’t breed deer and be 100% native. You can have 100% Texas genetics, but you aren’t native anymore.

Spot on.

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TexasTK · 12-22-2017, 02:41 PM

That is a different and unique view. Surprised he tolerated all that noise for as long as he did. I would be nervous as all get out w all those extra tines and the possibility of getting locked up. He is a magnificent WT. Nice going, hope he lives a long life.

BrokenJ · 12-22-2017, 03:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Encinal

If you are deciding who breeds who and increasing an individual bucks influence on your herd by large magnitudes... and then breeding back as is so often the case, it’s a breeding program and you have gone away from native.

You can’t breed deer and be 100% native. You can have 100% Texas genetics, but you aren’t native anymore.

That makes zero sense. If you do not introduce genetics, it's 100 percent native.

And if that's what constitutes a breeding program, the high fence and culling program puts you in the breeder category. You can easily influence who lives and who dies on 4000 acres

breederbuck33 · 12-22-2017, 03:23 PM

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Originally Posted by BrokenJ

That makes zero sense. If you do not introduce genetics, it's 100 percent native.

And if that's what constitutes a breeding program, the high fence and culling program puts you in the breeder category. You can easily influence who lives and who dies on 4000 acres

I'd have to disagree with you as well. Maybe the term "Natural" is the term he is going for instead of "Native". They are native from a genetic standpoint inside and outside a breeder program, but the fact that that deer is pasture born and naturally occurred with minimal human influence is much more impressive than one that came from a breeding program.

Encinal · 12-22-2017, 03:24 PM

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Originally Posted by BrokenJ

That makes zero sense. If you do not introduce genetics, it's 100 percent native.

And if that's what constitutes a breeding program, the high fence and culling program puts you in the breeder category. You can easily influence who lives and who dies on 4000 acres

I don’t decide who gets to breed and my deer have to earn their right to breed in a natural setting competing with other deer. Stop grasping it doesn’t make any sense.

A DMP is a Permit to breed deer.

I can kill deer and let deer live, but I can’t line breed does back to their fathers and brothers.

Calling 4000 acres a breeder pen is pretty funny.

redfishted · 12-22-2017, 03:35 PM

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I'd have to disagree with you as well. Maybe the term "Natural" is the term he is going for instead of "Native". They are native from a genetic standpoint inside and outside a breeder program, but the fact that that deer is pasture born and naturally occurred with minimal human influence is much more impressive than one that came from a breeding program.

Correct, it is not the natural process, but they are absolutely 100% native.

Encinal · 12-22-2017, 03:39 PM

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Originally Posted by redfishted

Correct, it is not the natural process, but they are absolutely 100% native.

They are bred in captivity. At what point f-1 to f-20 do they become non native then.

A native deer is the beginning, but it isn’t the result.

redfishted · 12-22-2017, 03:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Encinal

They are bred in captivity. At what point f-1 to f-20 do they become non native then.

A native deer is the beginning, but it isn’t the result.

They are 100% native until outside genetics are introduced.

Encinal · 12-22-2017, 04:08 PM

That’s exactly what a breeding does, introduces non-native genetics.

redfishted · 12-22-2017, 04:19 PM

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That’s exactly what a breeding does, introduces non-native genetics.

So what by your definition would be a native deer?

12-20-2017, 11:14 PM	#167
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12-19-2017, 09:22 AM	#151
Encinal Pope & Young Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Location, Location Hunt In: Spite of Wife's Complaints	Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

12-19-2017, 09:23 AM	#152
Thorcules Four Point Join Date: Oct 2017 Location: Red Rock, TX Hunt In: Bastrop County, McLennan County	Holy Moly!

12-19-2017, 09:45 AM	#153
RascalArms Pope & Young Join Date: Mar 2013 Location: Forney, TX Hunt In: Schleicher County	Good GOSH!

12-19-2017, 09:46 AM	#154
JeffK Ten Point Join Date: Nov 2013	I was thinking his drops lost some length in the trailcam pic you posted previously, but they look pretty good in those pics!

12-19-2017, 10:10 AM	#155
fullsizeaggie Ten Point Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: St. Hedwig Hunt In: Bracketville, Missouri, East TX	Have you seen these traits in any other deer since 30 years ago? I would let him spread his seed!

12-19-2017, 10:22 AM	#156
Buck Slayer Ten Point Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Waller, TX Hunt In: Harper/Refugio, Tx	sheesh!

12-19-2017, 10:27 AM	#157
Doublelunger Spike Join Date: Feb 2017	Jump and fly jump and die; if the highway dont get him the neighbors will... but man what a buck

12-19-2017, 01:32 PM	#159
GarGuy Pope & Young Join Date: Oct 2011	So..the decision is made to give him another year? hes a true giant now.

12-19-2017, 03:51 PM	#160
BrokenJ Ten Point Join Date: May 2012	Dream dmp buck

12-19-2017, 04:11 PM	#161
Leon County Slayer Associate Sponsor Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Houston Hunt In: Camo (Leon County) - Knifemaker<><	tough one to let walk but if he makes next year, I can't imagine.

12-19-2017, 09:06 PM	#165
Mary Administrator Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Tomball	What a cool buck! As awesome as he looks from the back...really hopefully... you have some pics head on?

12-21-2017, 08:36 AM	#169
Encinal Pope & Young Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Location, Location Hunt In: Spite of Wife's Complaints	Both Last year. I think he scores about the same now, he’s lost a little tine length but I think has a lot more frame. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

12-21-2017, 08:41 AM	#170
JRL Ten Point Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Galveston Hunt In: Ezzell	amazing! thanks for sharing

12-21-2017, 08:43 AM	#171
solocam_aggie Pope & Young Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Bastrop Hunt In: SABINAL, Sonora, Bastrop, Carrizozo NM	I would need a new pair of drawers if that dude walked out in front of me!

12-21-2017, 08:59 AM	#172
bullets13 Ten Point Join Date: Sep 2015 Location: Fannett Hunt In: Marion Co, Jefferson Co	Crazy buck

12-21-2017, 01:46 PM	#175
SwampRabbit Pope & Young Join Date: Mar 2013 Location: Tomball, TX Hunt In: Hill Country & East Texas	Good grief... what a dandy!

12-21-2017, 01:49 PM	#176
allenshawn1 Six Point Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: DFW	If you didn't have so many different pics, I would swear the pics were photoshopped. Amazing. Im guessing high fence?

12-21-2017, 02:25 PM	#178
SabreKiller Ten Point Join Date: May 2007 Location: Kerrville, Texas Hunt In: Terrell and Val Verde County	Holy Moses! What a deer! Ain't no way I'd let him walk.

12-21-2017, 03:09 PM	#179
Pstraw Eight Point Join Date: Sep 2017 Location: Henderson Hunt In: Front yard or back yard	B B B B B B bad to the bone for sure. A beautiful deer in anybody's book.

12-21-2017, 03:22 PM	#180
kruppa24 Ten Point Join Date: Mar 2014 Location: gholson, tx Hunt In: Concho	Wow!

12-21-2017, 03:28 PM	#181
Lawhunter Eight Point Join Date: Oct 2017	Goodness!!!

12-21-2017, 04:02 PM	#182
Encinal Pope & Young Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Location, Location Hunt In: Spite of Wife's Complaints	This Year Las Raices Ranch Drop Tine Buck â€œThe Sawfishâ€ - YouTube

12-21-2017, 07:08 PM	#184
Catarina Ten Point Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: San Antonio Hunt In: Dimmit, Brooks, and Zavala	that drone video is bad aa*****$, such a cool idea. It's funny even a deer doesn't like to be followed by one What do ya'll think he scores this year

12-21-2017, 09:55 PM	#185
finz Eight Point Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Boerne Hunt In: Webb co.	That is one bad mutha, congrats on raising such a beast ( again) thanks for sharing!!

12-22-2017, 06:55 AM	#186
FCTrapper Ten Point Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Charlotte Texas (El Tesoro Ranch) Hunt In: Atascosa/McMullen County	God I love that "Red Dirt"... Nice Buck too

12-22-2017, 02:41 PM	#192
TexasTK Ten Point Join Date: Mar 2012 Hunt In: Dimmit County & Beyond	That is a different and unique view. Surprised he tolerated all that noise for as long as he did. I would be nervous as all get out w all those extra tines and the possibility of getting locked up. He is a magnificent WT. Nice going, hope he lives a long life.

12-22-2017, 04:08 PM	#199
Encinal Pope & Young Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Location, Location Hunt In: Spite of Wife's Complaints	That’s exactly what a breeding does, introduces non-native genetics.