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Old 08-22-2016, 01:37 PM   #51
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Walk him, she'd hunt hard, and just think of what he can be in 2 to 4 years
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Old 08-22-2016, 02:36 PM   #52
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Low fence, non-fed native deer from the early 80's.

We have a repro of him on the wall. Can you imagine what he would have looked like on feed??? Yeesh.

Notice the flat under beam ridge?? For whatever reason, if you fine a shed like that, or see a deer with that in our country, you will see him throw drops when he gets older much of the time.



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Old 08-22-2016, 02:36 PM   #53
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My experience is that drop tines come and go. Overall we are seeing more drop tines in the last few years than ever. I can remember most of my life only dreaming to see one. Now, because of higher nutrition and better age structure they are more common on our properties.

That said we rarely see a specific buck carry a drop tines every yr. I have one on my ranch now that has had a drop tine with every rack thru his 6th year last year. Rather they seem to come and go or maybe pop up one yr. to never reappear. WE shot a 12 yr old couple yrs ago that had 6 drops. He had only had a drop tine one other time when he was 6.

Like you I'm interested in Marco's experience.
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Drops come in several varieties IMO.

Injury drops are the most common (sometimes beam droop drops as well but those aren't drops)

Mid beam drops. Generally in my experience, if a deer has a mid beam drop young and repeats it in the next year (or shows an under beam ridge) he's going to have a drop again. If a deer doesn't pop a drop until he is 6... I'm more inclined to shoot him because he is less likely to do it again.

I treat drops he same way I treat inline points. If they get them young, I'll leave them even if they lose them for a couple of years, just because I know if everything gun goes right, it will probably show back up.

Sown drops are more repeatable than others. Drops before the g-2 seem to be less repeatable for whatever reason.

I actually was expecting/hoping this deer to throw drops on his left side at some point because of his beam shape/under beam ridge line. I'm glad he did.

One of the largest values for me that no one has mentioned yet is the enjoyment of having a live deer like this running around to look at. That's a big part of it for me and my hunters. You can't afford to take every girl home from the bar, but it adds something to the experience to have a really good looking one that's a regular at the bar you go to.


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Thank you both for your feedback. I would guess that he will throw multiple drops in the future I was just a little surprised at how long and pretty they were last year and then have one small one this year. His frame did get much bigger this year though.

Good Luck Marko. That deer is something special
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Old 08-22-2016, 03:54 PM   #54
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One of the largest values for me that no one has mentioned yet is the enjoyment of having a live deer like this running around to look at. That's a big part of it for me and my hunters. You can't afford to take every girl home from the bar, but it adds something to the experience to have a really good looking one that's a regular at the bar you go to.


Big applause from the audience.I often feel some remorse after we take out a buck knowing we will never see him on the ranch again. Bittersweet.Nice having them on the wall but super cool seeing them live running around doing their thing.
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Old 08-22-2016, 03:59 PM   #55
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Old 08-22-2016, 04:03 PM   #56
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That's what you call a "first world" problem.
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Old 08-22-2016, 04:12 PM   #57
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I have to agree they are fun to watch! If you have confidence he will continue to do it, I say let him go. Seems just as much enjoyment seeing him. Maybe you can find his sheds to have also.
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Old 08-22-2016, 04:16 PM   #58
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What are the odds of finding his drops in the spring? You could have the best of both worlds if you were able to find them. Given your situation and place, I would be on the side of letting him walk. But couldnt fault you for taking him this year. Tomorrow isnt promised to anyone or any living thing for that matter.
This is the way I look at it. ^^^^
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Old 08-22-2016, 04:28 PM   #59
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that old 8 reminds me of carters country in houston...showed me i had no idea what 170+ inches of antler looked like.

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Old 08-22-2016, 04:29 PM   #60
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One of the largest values for me that no one has mentioned yet is the enjoyment of having a live deer like this running around to look at. That's a big part of it for me and my hunters. You can't afford to take every girl home from the bar, but it adds something to the experience to have a really good looking one that's a regular at the bar you go to.


Big applause from the audience.I often feel some remorse after we take out a buck knowing we will never see him on the ranch again. Bittersweet.Nice having them on the wall but super cool seeing them live running around doing their thing.
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Old 08-22-2016, 04:34 PM   #61
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If you took him, it would be very early in the season...correct??

I just don't think I could do it one your type of set up...I would want at least one more year of baby making & pray for the best.

No real wrong answers though...go with what your heart/gut eat at you the most.
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Old 08-22-2016, 04:47 PM   #62
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Old 08-22-2016, 04:50 PM   #63
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Beautiful deer but he'd roll on our place...tough call

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Old 08-22-2016, 04:52 PM   #64
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If you need someone to tell you to shoot him... shoot him.
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Old 08-22-2016, 04:58 PM   #65
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I'd have to lay'em down! Never no what's in store for you or the deer next year. Just a thought
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Old 08-22-2016, 05:02 PM   #66
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He wont taste any better next year....
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Old 08-22-2016, 05:49 PM   #67
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This whole thread is boggling my mind
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Old 08-22-2016, 06:20 PM   #68
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Old 08-22-2016, 06:29 PM   #69
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Thats just fantastic!

He would have to be mounted on a pedestal where he could be rotated 360'
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Old 08-22-2016, 06:30 PM   #70
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Wow. Don't look at him from the back or your temptations may take over.
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Old 08-22-2016, 06:54 PM   #71
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http://discussions.texasbowhunter.co...d.php?t=540441

http://discussions.texasbowhunter.co...d.php?t=578335

Couple more threads about this deer over the last few years.
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Old 08-22-2016, 07:13 PM   #72
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One of the largest values for me that no one has mentioned yet is the enjoyment of having a live deer like this running around to look at. That's a big part of it for me and my hunters. You can't afford to take every girl home from the bar, but it adds something to the experience to have a really good looking one that's a regular at the bar you go to.


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With that logic just shoot all the fat girls.
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Old 08-22-2016, 07:53 PM   #73
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The photo of the early 80s dropper is impressive. It is crazy how those genetics are still around 35 years later. If ever there was a case for a DMP this buck would be a prime candidate. I would have a hard time shooting this deer at this age just because I would enjoy the many upcoming years seeing him in all his splendor walking out of the brush on a cool crisp morning as opposed to having him on my wall. Enjoy the ride, bucks like him are few and far between.
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Old 08-22-2016, 08:22 PM   #74
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Have fun deciding that one

Given the past pictures from the operation you run I have confidence in your decision
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Old 08-22-2016, 08:30 PM   #75
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No reason to kill him now, you would never know what he might grow in a year or three.
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Old 08-22-2016, 08:34 PM   #76
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Crazy gene resemblance to that other buck from the same area. Pretty cool to that happen again so many years later in the same general area.
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Old 08-22-2016, 09:02 PM   #77
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Wow! What a deer! It would be hard to watch him walk off. But then you have that voice in the back of your head that's saying "wonder how big he will be next yr"! Tough one.
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Old 08-22-2016, 09:16 PM   #78
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Love seeing the progression over the years. One hell of a buck!
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Old 08-23-2016, 09:39 AM   #79
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Big applause from the audience.I often feel some remorse after we take out a buck knowing we will never see him on the ranch again. Bittersweet.Nice having them on the wall but super cool seeing them live running around doing their thing.
Thanks elgato for such a clear expression of where I am with my 'hunting" at this stage of my own life. I'm hoping that someone doesn't come along and cull me because I passed the breeding age some years ago..!
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Old 08-23-2016, 12:27 PM   #80
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He looks a lot like Mrs. Stedman’s Faith Ranch deer that won several deer contests last year. Your deer has better brows and looks a little wider than hers though.
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Old 08-23-2016, 01:49 PM   #81
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Thanks elgato for such a clear expression of where I am with my 'hunting" at this stage of my own life. I'm hoping that someone doesn't come along and cull me because I passed the breeding age some years ago..!
That last bit made me laugh

Once you get to the point that killing isn't at the top of the list I think you truly get more enjoyment out of "hunting"
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Old 08-23-2016, 01:54 PM   #82
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Sweet 8lb 6oz baby Jesus...
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Old 08-23-2016, 06:26 PM   #83
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The view from behind is stunning. What are you thinking on score???
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Old 08-23-2016, 06:44 PM   #84
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What a brute!Drop him just for the uniqueness!
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Old 08-23-2016, 06:55 PM   #85
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First let me start by saying, "Que Chulada"! Impressive jump once again and another deer of a lifetime from your place. However, for those of us who follow your threads and know the extreme discipline it takes year in and year out to have the level of deer you all do, we know you're going to let him walk to at least see another year . I can't wait until you or Tuco post live field pics of him this season!
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I Love age and management to The Fullest as You Know But, No I don't think honesty I could Pass Him Marco. Hope he Keeps moving forward for Ya

He a Beast in So Many ways....
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Old 08-23-2016, 07:33 PM   #87
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Wow. What a dream type deer!
I am the old guy that likes watching my own bucks in the offseason as much as killing them. I would be inclined to let him breed and be your science experiment/ breeder. And kill an old, ugly rack instead.
I assume drop genetics will pass like spread, points and mass.

All of that is out the window if mom or daughter want to hunt!

Thanks for sharing. I totally support your decision.
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Old 08-23-2016, 07:46 PM   #88
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The view from behind is stunning. What are you thinking on score???
He's gotta be close to 200 right?

give him 34 inches of mass and say he is 25x25x25 that's 109 frame. He's probably wider.

What do you get?
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Old 08-23-2016, 07:50 PM   #89
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No hesitation for me...Id put an arrow right through him. lol
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Old 08-23-2016, 07:56 PM   #90
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Wow,Great Buck,tough choice,Good luck in whatever you decide to do
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Old 08-23-2016, 08:03 PM   #91
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I got 196. And some of those Mass Measurements could be Huge the way the drops line up Plus he isn't done growing yet
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Old 08-23-2016, 08:25 PM   #92
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I got roughly 90"s of tines and a 105-110 frame. Hell of a buck and very unique. If you do decide to shoot him, who shoots him?
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Old 08-23-2016, 08:26 PM   #93
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I think you enjoy him, work like hell to find his sheds and put them on a nice cape. let him breed more does and see what he dose. Best of both worlds.

What an awesome deer.
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He's gotta be close to 200 right?

give him 34 inches of mass and say he is 25x25x25 that's 109 frame. He's probably wider.
You know your deer better than I do obviously but he looks much wider than 25" and looks to have much more than 34" of mass given what the H3&4s will be. I can not get him under 200. Of course if his beams arent longer than 25" it doesnt matter how much wider he is for score.
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So if you let him go one more year that yields you what in the field as far as offspring is concerned?.... Let's say you do let him go to age 8 or 9, will he be more impressive in the later stages of his life....maybe? Will he have this many drop tines...doubtful. As he sits right now, he's one impressive buck-rare indeed. With the history and mount of the other drop tine buck shot on the property years ago and the striking resemblance this buck shares with that buck, I just might allow these circumstances to override the managers heart that I have for the herd. You said it took how long for this trait to show up in your herd....looking back on this buck 10-20 years from now, I'd say that it would be so stinking cool for you and your father to be able to have this buck mounted next to the buck shot in the 80's and use it as an incredible piece of ranch history to look back on. El Gato says it best "if you just have to have the buck, then kill him".
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Old 08-24-2016, 04:06 AM   #96
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To me there is a reason y'all killed a buck over 300 inches, because y'all didn't kill him at an earlier age, even though he was well into the 200's. I understand the 7 droptines argument, but me personally I would have to roll the dice.
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Old 08-24-2016, 01:08 PM   #98
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If your ranch didn't produce "mini" and the 270"+ buck that you killed, than the decision to kill this particular buck would probably be a lot easier. Its hard to decide to kill this buck after seeing what the other deer on the ranch have done when given another year. And this buck does have 7 drop tines, but once the velvet comes off, 3 of those drops don't look like they will be that substantial. Depending on where and how you mount him, those 7 drops may not really stand out, which is the main reason for wanting to kill him.

Will that buck ever have that many drops again? Will they be bigger next year? Will he be the next 270"+ buck from the ranch?

But at the same time, you have to remember why your doing all of this in the first place. And killing a big buck that "does it for you" is the ultimate goal.
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He's gotta be close to 200 right?

give him 34 inches of mass and say he is 25x25x25 that's 109 frame. He's probably wider.

What do you get?

He has so much its hard for me to guess. I sure gave him more mass than you did. The velvet makes it hard though. His beams are long too. Maybe 27??? I am struggling with making a guess. I can get his typical frame to 195 if I try hard. Thats probably the bigeye but I keep coming up close to that.

If he doesnt gross over 210, I would be stunned.

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He has so much its hard for me to guess. I sure gave him more mass than you did. The velvet makes it hard though. His beams are long too. Maybe 27??? I am struggling with making a guess. I can get his typical frame to 195 if I try hard. Thats probably the bigeye but I keep coming up close to that.



If he doesnt gross over 110, I would be stunned.


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