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Old 06-26-2014, 07:04 AM   #101
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Thanks for the advice Marty!
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Old 06-26-2014, 07:18 AM   #102
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My up and coming tracking dog.

My last Catahoula retrieved doves as good as any dog around.

Sure do miss her.
Great looking pup.

My first Catahoula was the same was about retrieving birds OBG.
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Old 06-26-2014, 07:34 AM   #103
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Great looking pup.

My first Catahoula was the same was about retrieving birds OBG.
My Hula dog went with me everywhere and never was gun shy. First day of dove season-she was about 6 months old- I had a dove fall in a fencerow. I wasn't paying her no mind was just trying to find and get my dove when she came out of the fencerow with my dove in her mouth. After that she retrieved birds for me until she got too old and sick to hunt anymore. Never did much care for the way she looked at me when I missed though.lol
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Old 06-26-2014, 07:37 AM   #104
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Following for the "next" pup.

Would it be possible for you all to also name the breed of dog as well? So far I am leaning toward a cat or a lacy, just have a lot more other research to do before choosing.

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Daisy just tracked my bacon and eggs all the way from the stove to the table. She's a natural.
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Old 06-26-2014, 08:31 AM   #106
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Old 06-26-2014, 08:40 AM   #107
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Old 06-26-2014, 09:21 AM   #108
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Old 06-26-2014, 09:32 AM   #109
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I will try my hand at offering some helpful advice this morning.

From when I first started training kimber I created her a "work bag". Just like many have stated just something for her to associate its time to trail. I bought a big fanny pack as I figured it made sense, I can keep all her stuff in it and as I trail, I carry it on me With water , treats, reflective markers etc.. In it. When she sees it go to the truck she goes nuts.

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I keep her lead rope in it, her orange vest that she tracks in, my gloves and some treats

The fanny is especially helpful if you track on lead!
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Old 06-26-2014, 11:14 AM   #110
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Ok i haven't had time to read all the posts so this may have been covered already but here goes.
The dog that I have now is the 4th tracking dog that I have owned but she is the first that has only been trained by me. The others were already started. I got her when she was 9 weeks old I believe and for the first 3 weeks that I had her she "worked" for every bit of food that she got. I would measure her food out each day and I used it to reward her for her basic commands (sit, come, stay, down). I would also roll her food across our large floor at the shop and have her "find it". I also played lots of tug-of-war with her early on.
I had decided based off of some of the problems I had with my previous dogs that if I ever trained one myself that I wanted them to search for whatever I put them on. Not just blood. Many times I have been called to track a deer that didn't leave any blood until its abdominal cavity filled up so you could go several hundred yards before you have the first sign of blood. Also alot of times you are tracking stomach juices instead of blood.
So once Libby figured out what "find it" meant I started having her track other things that I put her on. I would always reward her with food or some treat.

When she was 5 months old I shot a hog that I thought I had smoked so I decided to let her take up the "easy" trail. At this time she had never even been on a mock blood trail. I let her smell the bloody arrow and she took to it like crazy. Several hundred yards in, the blood trail had almost completely vanished. Just small drops every 10 to 15 yards. She stayed hooked and when we got to the pig it was still alive. I was beyond proud.
I can't remember how many deer she found this past year but she did a great job.

I still run her on Mock trails but I rarely ever use blood. I typically just drag something. I also play games with here to get her to use her nose. I hide her food all around the house and tell her to find it. I will hide tea bags and tell her to find them and reward her when she does. Just anything to get her to use her nose.

Some helpful tips. Learn to read your dog. You should be able to tell when she is "hot" on a trail or when she is "looking" for the trail. When they are "hot" don't bother them. When they are "looking" you can do things to help like circling back to the last place they were hot.
Everyone likes to see a good dog work but keep spectators way back so they don't contaminate the trail. If it is a hard track I don't let anyone go but me and one other person so they can stay at the "hot' spot if she gets a little lost.
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Old 06-26-2014, 11:55 AM   #111
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I have a buddy that works with blood hounds. They do search and rescue type stuff. He told me that you want to teach a dog to track a scent not just blood. Just like Tex said the blood isnt always present, but there track is.
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Old 06-26-2014, 12:29 PM   #112
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Ok i haven't had time to read all the posts so this may have been covered already but here goes.
The dog that I have now is the 4th tracking dog that I have owned but she is the first that has only been trained by me. The others were already started. I got her when she was 9 weeks old I believe and for the first 3 weeks that I had her she "worked" for every bit of food that she got. I would measure her food out each day and I used it to reward her for her basic commands (sit, come, stay, down). I would also roll her food across our large floor at the shop and have her "find it". I also played lots of tug-of-war with her early on.
I had decided based off of some of the problems I had with my previous dogs that if I ever trained one myself that I wanted them to search for whatever I put them on. Not just blood. Many times I have been called to track a deer that didn't leave any blood until its abdominal cavity filled up so you could go several hundred yards before you have the first sign of blood. Also alot of times you are tracking stomach juices instead of blood.
So once Libby figured out what "find it" meant I started having her track other things that I put her on. I would always reward her with food or some treat.

When she was 5 months old I shot a hog that I thought I had smoked so I decided to let her take up the "easy" trail. At this time she had never even been on a mock blood trail. I let her smell the bloody arrow and she took to it like crazy. Several hundred yards in, the blood trail had almost completely vanished. Just small drops every 10 to 15 yards. She stayed hooked and when we got to the pig it was still alive. I was beyond proud.
I can't remember how many deer she found this past year but she did a great job.

I still run her on Mock trails but I rarely ever use blood. I typically just drag something. I also play games with here to get her to use her nose. I hide her food all around the house and tell her to find it. I will hide tea bags and tell her to find them and reward her when she does. Just anything to get her to use her nose.

Some helpful tips. Learn to read your dog. You should be able to tell when she is "hot" on a trail or when she is "looking" for the trail. When they are "hot" don't bother them. When they are "looking" you can do things to help like circling back to the last place they were hot.
Everyone likes to see a good dog work but keep spectators way back so they don't contaminate the trail. If it is a hard track I don't let anyone go but me and one other person so they can stay at the "hot' spot if she gets a little lost.
Good Stuff!

Thanks for sharing your knowledge and advice with us Daniel.

I hope to hear from many more seasoned trackers just like you.
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Old 06-26-2014, 12:33 PM   #113
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Here is my now 7month old Redbone. Copper has been on some short tracks and seems to be picking it up better each time.
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Old 06-26-2014, 12:36 PM   #114
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Good post Tex and will will make a fanny pack myself. I like the idea.
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Old 06-26-2014, 12:53 PM   #115
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Thanks for the info tex!
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Old 06-26-2014, 01:31 PM   #116
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I have a question as I did not really train mine, Jesse B did.

If you teach them to follow anything, and there is 6 deer under the feeder when one is shot, how do they know which one you want them to follow?

The reason I ask is that one of the things that make Bagley so special to me is that she can follow a track right through other trails with other deer and pigs jumping up in front of us.
Every other dog we have had try to work a track has really struggled with the scent and sight of the other animals running around.

Dont get me wrong. Bagley will trail a wounded deer that is not leaving a blood trail, we followed one the other day for 4 hours and found the Axis but she knows she is not allowed to chase unwounded animals and will lay on the back pourch while the yard deer are walking around.

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Old 06-26-2014, 01:35 PM   #117
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I will try my hand at offering some helpful advice this morning.

From when I first started training kimber I created her a "work bag". Just like many have stated just something for her to associate its time to trail. I bought a big fanny pack as I figured it made sense, I can keep all her stuff in it and as I trail, I carry it on me With water , treats, reflective markers etc.. In it. When she sees it go to the truck she goes nuts.

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I keep her lead rope in it, her orange vest that she tracks in, my gloves and some treats

The fanny is especially helpful if you track on lead!


Is that a cut vest or just an orange vest for the dogs safety? I believe you use a lead so I was curious why the vest. Just looking to learn. Thanks
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Old 06-26-2014, 01:44 PM   #118
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Is that a cut vest or just an orange vest for the dogs safety? I believe you use a lead so I was curious why the vest. Just looking to learn. Thanks

Yes it is a orange vest just for safety. I do run her on a lead and prolly don't need it. Lol But I used it mainly just so she knows if the vest goes on it's work time. I was hoping it would also keep her from getting cut up in thick brush and maybe even help in snake bite prevention in the chest area.
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Old 06-26-2014, 02:06 PM   #119
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Yes it is a orange vest just for safety. I do run her on a lead and prolly don't need it. Lol But I used it mainly just so she knows if the vest goes on it's work time. I was hoping it would also keep her from getting cut up in thick brush and maybe even help in snake bite prevention in the chest area.
Thanks for responding. I was thinking of getting the vest just so my dog would see it and know it was time to go to work. I also have a small cow bell on the collar even though I use a lead rope. Never know when the dog may get away from me so I'd rather be safe
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Old 06-26-2014, 02:31 PM   #120
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I have a question as I did not really train mine, Jesse B did.

If you teach them to follow anything, and there is 6 deer under the feeder when one is shot, how do they know which one you want them to follow?

The reason I ask is that one of the things that make Bagley so special to me is that she can follow a track right through other trails with other deer and pigs jumping up in front of us.
Every other dog we have had try to work a track has really struggled with the scent and sight of the other animals running around.

Dont get me wrong. Bagley will trail a wounded deer that is not leaving a blood trail, we followed one the other day for 4 hours and found the Axis but she knows she is not allowed to chase unwounded animals and will lay on the back pourch while the yard deer are walking around.
A scenerio just like you mentioned (6 deer under the feeder) is exactly why I wanted my next dog to track more than just blood. In my opinion most dogs can tell the difference in the smell that one animal makes over another so, just like Bagley, they can determine which is which. In the past, when no blood was present, I have had dogs start trailing any deer instead of the specific deer. In my opinion injured deer, even though they might not be leaving a blood trail, leave a slightly different scent than a scared deer. With time the dog realizes that they will be rewarded for finding the wounded deer.
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Old 06-26-2014, 03:31 PM   #121
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Here's our 2 blood trailing knuckleheads. The male on the right is 18 months and the female is almost 5 months. The male is somewhat solid, the female obviously is just beginning her training.

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Old 06-26-2014, 03:35 PM   #122
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Blood or no blood? What say you?

I'm about to start another dog, and I was planning on using blood, but this thread has me second guessing if that's the best way
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Old 06-26-2014, 03:59 PM   #123
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I'm about to start another dog, and I was planning on using blood, but this thread has me second guessing if that's the best way

I'm not against using blood. Blood puts off scent and that's what the dog is after. I would encourage you to use other scents from time to time.
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Old 06-26-2014, 04:09 PM   #124
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Very cool thread Ill post a pic of my wire haired dachshund when i get home
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Old 06-26-2014, 04:10 PM   #125
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Old 06-26-2014, 06:31 PM   #126
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Good stuff tex thanks
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Old 06-26-2014, 07:24 PM   #127
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Our redbone Copper...aka Red. He loves being out in the woods. Licking blood and he seems to enjoy it more and more. Anxious to see him this fall in action!
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Old 06-26-2014, 09:39 PM   #128
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Here's my lap dog. She has quite a few mock trails under her belt, only missed one when she was about 5 months old but it was long and had 2 loops in it... I haven't put her on a real blood trail yet. Several times I have watched rabbits cross the place and wait till they get in the bushes and put her on them and she always finds them, some of them being as long as 200 yards or so... Can't wait to put her on a real trail

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Old 06-26-2014, 10:26 PM   #129
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OK - I'm in. Been wanting to try this, had momma read the thread and she is all about it. This is Remi, sister to Jesse in post 33. We start this weekend. Wish us luck and keep posting advice. Thanks TUCO for starting the thread.
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Old 06-26-2014, 10:41 PM   #130
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Blood or no blood? What say you?

I'm about to start another dog, and I was planning on using blood, but this thread has me second guessing if that's the best way
It is all you should use..if the animal is not bleeding you don't want your dog tracking it.
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Old 06-26-2014, 10:43 PM   #131
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Old 06-26-2014, 11:15 PM   #132
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OK - I'm in. Been wanting to try this, had momma read the thread and she is all about it. This is Remi, sister to Jesse in post 33. We start this weekend. Wish us luck and keep posting advice. Thanks TUCO for starting the thread.
Good looking pup!!! They're getting big...fast!
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Old 06-27-2014, 09:07 AM   #133
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Thanks ShockValue, yes they are! Back at you on the good looking pup! Appreciate the text updates and always a bonus to see an unexpected pic on a thread. This should be fun -I'm sure they will do great. Going back through the thread taking notes now.
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Old 06-27-2014, 09:56 AM   #134
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It is all you should use..if the animal is not bleeding you don't want your dog tracking it.
If you have a gut shot deer do you not even try to put your dog on it? I know some guys won't use their dog unless there is good blood because they don't want to discourage the dog if the animal can't be found. I also know people that simply drag hides for a mock trail and don't use any blood.
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Old 06-27-2014, 10:13 AM   #135
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If you have a gut shot deer do you not even try to put your dog on it? I know some guys won't use their dog unless there is good blood because they don't want to discourage the dog if the animal can't be found. I also know people that simply drag hides for a mock trail and don't use any blood.
I use a hide as well but in conjunction with blood. If there is no blood trail it is not legal to track anyway.
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Old 06-27-2014, 10:16 AM   #136
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I use a hide as well but in conjunction with blood. If there is no blood trail it is not legal to track anyway.
Without checking the law, I think you're right. The term wounded deer is a deer leaving a blood trail. Thanks for the heads up
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Old 06-27-2014, 11:22 AM   #137
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Question:

I have a new pup and am going to begin training her. Is it too much, or too confusing, to "cross-train"? By that, meaning train on blood/hide while also mixing in some antler training. I thought that might be a good way to just continually work on the nose and scent trailing while allowing some good summer time work.

Great thread, will be checking it often.
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Old 06-27-2014, 02:10 PM   #138
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Hey, Jared, here's Mickey's brother, Gunner. He was the little male runt out of the litter you got Mickey from. High Octane also, but smart as a whip. He scent trailed okay the first couple times but now he knows there's food at the end and just goes running downwind scenting for the food. I'm gonna have to get innovative with the trails. Just doing damage control most of the time now.

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Old 06-27-2014, 02:40 PM   #139
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Old 06-27-2014, 02:43 PM   #140
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I wonder if I can get this one trained to find me some deer lol. He's been hanging around my house for 8 months now and thinks he's a dog
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Old 06-27-2014, 04:06 PM   #141
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This is Ruger my wire haired dachshund! If anyone has any extra blood in the freezer they could spare it would be much appreciated, I'm all out!!

This was a pretty difficult trail for him last year that I put a few turns in and aged for a while.


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Old 06-28-2014, 07:34 AM   #142
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Hey, Jared, here's Mickey's brother, Gunner. He was the little male runt out of the litter you got Mickey from. High Octane also, but smart as a whip. He scent trailed okay the first couple times but now he knows there's food at the end and just goes running downwind scenting for the food. I'm gonna have to get innovative with the trails. Just doing damage control most of the time now.

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Gunner looks great. I had forgotten how much these little turds will test your patience.

I was worried about Mickey smelling the liver downwind on the last mock trail he ran so i ran it with a crosswind to try to cut down the chances.
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Old 06-28-2014, 07:53 AM   #143
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Ok i haven't had time to read all the posts so this may have been covered already but here goes.
The dog that I have now is the 4th tracking dog that I have owned but she is the first that has only been trained by me. The others were already started. I got her when she was 9 weeks old I believe and for the first 3 weeks that I had her she "worked" for every bit of food that she got. I would measure her food out each day and I used it to reward her for her basic commands (sit, come, stay, down). I would also roll her food across our large floor at the shop and have her "find it". I also played lots of tug-of-war with her early on.
I had decided based off of some of the problems I had with my previous dogs that if I ever trained one myself that I wanted them to search for whatever I put them on. Not just blood. Many times I have been called to track a deer that didn't leave any blood until its abdominal cavity filled up so you could go several hundred yards before you have the first sign of blood. Also alot of times you are tracking stomach juices instead of blood.
So once Libby figured out what "find it" meant I started having her track other things that I put her on. I would always reward her with food or some treat.

When she was 5 months old I shot a hog that I thought I had smoked so I decided to let her take up the "easy" trail. At this time she had never even been on a mock blood trail. I let her smell the bloody arrow and she took to it like crazy. Several hundred yards in, the blood trail had almost completely vanished. Just small drops every 10 to 15 yards. She stayed hooked and when we got to the pig it was still alive. I was beyond proud.
I can't remember how many deer she found this past year but she did a great job.

I still run her on Mock trails but I rarely ever use blood. I typically just drag something. I also play games with here to get her to use her nose. I hide her food all around the house and tell her to find it. I will hide tea bags and tell her to find them and reward her when she does. Just anything to get her to use her nose.

Some helpful tips. Learn to read your dog. You should be able to tell when she is "hot" on a trail or when she is "looking" for the trail. When they are "hot" don't bother them. When they are "looking" you can do things to help like circling back to the last place they were hot.
Everyone likes to see a good dog work but keep spectators way back so they don't contaminate the trail. If it is a hard track I don't let anyone go but me and one other person so they can stay at the "hot' spot if she gets a little lost.
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Old 06-28-2014, 03:52 PM   #144
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OK - I'm in. Been wanting to try this, had momma read the thread and she is all about it.

This is Remi, sister to Jesse in post 33.

We start this weekend. Wish us luck and keep posting advice.

Thanks TUCO for starting the thread.
Youíre Welcome PIO!

I am really enjoying reading all the information being posted, and checking out all of the great looking dogs as well.

It is good to see so many folk interested in blood tracking dogs.




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This is Ruger my wire haired dachshund!

If anyone has any extra blood in the freezer they could spare it would be much appreciated.

I'm all out!!
I have you covered on the blood sth.
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Without checking the law, I think you're right. The term wounded deer is a deer leaving a blood trail. Thanks for the heads up
Not entirely true. If you show up and can't visibly see a blood trail but there is an arrow that can prove the deer was hit then you can track it. There are going to be tracks that for the first hundred or so yards there is no visible sign
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Ran Gunner with the wind this afternoon. He stayed on trail but got so excited he kept passing up the end and treat. He's a little over 13 weeks old now and still a little young. Keeping me on my toes.
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I'm curious, is any blood good enough to start mock trails with, or should it really be something like beef blood? Wondering because I'm about to prepare some chickens for the smoker and that would be an easy way to fill a jar or two. Then there's the massive amount of varmints around the farm about to get wacked if they don't stay out of the garden and barn.

I'm not even sure where any lockers are around conroe/surrounding area, to ask about beef blood.
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X2. I started a pup on his first mock trail today. He did ok and found his treat at the end. I used deer blood, but don't have enough to train him. I don't know of any place to get beef blood
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Ran Gunner with the wind this afternoon. He stayed on trail but got so excited he kept passing up the end and treat. He's a little over 13 weeks old now and still a little young. Keeping me on my toes.
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X2. I started a pup on his first mock trail today. He did ok and found his treat at the end. I used deer blood, but don't have enough to train him. I don't know of any place to get beef blood
Congrats on running your first trail AC!

Keep up the good work fellas...
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The pics above was my first wolf/hybrid. She was a good tracker, and also a great hog killer!


This is the one I started on his first mock trail today. I guess I'm the only one on here that uses wolf/ hybrids. I have a friend that has had great success with them.

If the deer/ hog is still alive the hybrid can catch and hold it also. Mine has taken down wounded hogs by the throat. This new pup will be a deer tracker only.

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