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Default The only army that exicutes its wounded......

Is the Christian army.


Why is that?
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Old 01-11-2018, 10:38 PM   #2
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Slow as in bored...no. Tonight has been a real ****** ******.
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Slow as in bored...no. Tonight has been a real ****** ******.
Care to share the details? I can see where that perspective could be true.
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Are they really Christians?
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Care to share the details? I can see where that perspective could be true.
I'm in the middle of the biggest battle of my life and I feel like my fellow brothers are kicking me while I'm down.
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Well you came to the right place for support or possibly more kicking.
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I'm half way looking for a fight tonight anyway
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I'm half way looking for a fight tonight anyway
Close the gap, Im up all night

Whats ailing you?
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Maybe they are, or maybe the are not.
Please define the word, "exicutes".
I don't know what that word means.
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Maybe they are, or maybe the are not.
Please define the word, "exicutes".
I don't know what that word means.


Ha! I didn't see that......and you fit right in.
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Close the gap, Im up all night

Whats ailing you?
I guess what's eating at me is how do you tell the difference between tough love and being judgmental?
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Tough love will build your character and help you make good decisions and not repeat bad ones

Judgmental will cause guilt, anger and resentment.

However both of these things can cause you to embrace Christ
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I guess what's eating at me is how do you tell the difference between tough love and being judgmental?


If you know for a fact they actually love you and want the best for you, it's tuff love. If your not sure that's their intent, they get the curb!


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So if I leave a conversation knowing I need to work on my character and wanting to punch someone...then what happened?
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So if I leave a conversation knowing I need to work on my character and wanting to punch someone...then what happened?
Well if you didn't punch them, character wins
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I also walked out of there the worst dad, husband, person and Christian in the world.
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I also walked out of there the worst dad, husband, person and Christian in the world.
Was that them condemning you or was that Godís Word and Holy Spirit revealing your defects? There is a difference
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Was that them condemning you or was that Godís Word and Holy Spirit revealing your defects? There is a difference
Agreed.
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I also walked out of there the worst dad, husband, person and Christian in the world.
Brother I been there
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Is the Christian army.





Why is that?


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Care to share the details? I can see where that perspective could be true.


I think itís complicated to explain. Iíll try to share the readers digest version.

First thing we need to know is that we are ALL sinners. Those of us that have accepted Christ as our Savior have been adopted into HIS family. HE is our advocate in Heaven.

Second as we read the Bible we read things like

1 Corinthians 6:9-11 NASBS
[9] Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals, [10] nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, will inherit the kingdom of God. [11] Such were some of you; but you were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and in the Spirit of our God.

1 Timothy 1:8-17 NASBS
[8] But we know that the Law is good, if one uses it lawfully, [9] realizing the fact that law is not made for a righteous person, but for those who are lawless and rebellious, for the ungodly and sinners, for the unholy and profane, for those who kill their fathers or mothers, for murderers [10] and immoral men and homosexuals and kidnappers and liars and perjurers, and whatever else is contrary to sound teaching, [11] according to the glorious gospel of the blessed God, with which I have been entrusted. [12] I thank Christ Jesus our Lord, who has strengthened me, because He considered me faithful, putting me into service, [13] even though I was formerly a blasphemer and a persecutor and a violent aggressor. Yet I was shown mercy because I acted ignorantly in unbelief; [14] and the grace of our Lord was more than abundant, with the faith and love which are found in Christ Jesus. [15] It is a trustworthy statement, deserving full acceptance, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners, among whom I am foremost of all. [16] Yet for this reason I found mercy, so that in me as the foremost, Jesus Christ might demonstrate His perfect patience as an example for those who would believe in Him for eternal life. [17] Now to the King eternal, immortal, invisible, the only God, be honor and glory forever and ever.

1 Timothy 1:12-17 were for me specifically today as I type this, but am compelled to include them.


Theses are just paltry few verses.

Homosexuality seems to be the ďinĒ thing in this time, thatís why I made it bold.

So what does this have to do with this thread.
Great question.

Christians are taught that, in the case of this example, that Homosexuality is a sin.
How does one differentiate between the person and their sin?

There are Church members who say that they, sinners, shouldnít be allowed in Church.
They make a good argument. I ask myself and them this question.
Where else should they be or go to hear above forgiveness of sin, love and peace?


If youíve read my testimony youíll know that I wasnít saved in a Church. I was 42 years and 12 days an 20 ish hours old. I was sitting in the drivers seat of my 18 wheeler. 2 weeks later I attended, which is vastly different than went to, a Church for the first time in 42 years. I was Baptized and accepted as a member.

Iíll touch on my thoughts on went to and attend.
We go Walmart shopping. Or I went to Walmart shopping. Thereís no feeling no connection.

I attended my Family Reunion this year. Thereís feeling, emotion and love.
Even tho you know thereís gonna be that crazy family (ME) member who does ...... EVERY time we get together.
We go because at the end of the day THEY ARE FAMILY and we love them and hope for the best for all of them.

I can go on but wonít.

Yes I know thereís other uses for went and attended thatíll change things. I am hoping to convey feeling a thought by using words.

I just had a thought. Why did I use Wal Mart as an example?


The initial question was WHY?
I personally do not know.
I know I try and see the person not their sin.

Words I try and remember.
We are all sinners.
I AM Saved by Grace.
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I also walked out of there the worst dad, husband, person and Christian in the world.
I've walked in these shoes often times and still go through this occasionally.

A little backstory. I'm from a very large family. One of 8 kids in my immediate family and I have 5 sets of Aunts and Uncles with 32 cousins who all live in the same small town. I was a bit of a wild child if you want to call it that among my family. One of the more outspoken ones as well as the second oldest. As a teenager I did cause a ruckus often because I wasn't like everyone else. I didn't always just adhere to the status quo as my family believed. I've always been one to question tradition just for the sake of tradition, religiously speaking. My family is very religious but few of us have very close personal relationships.

In college, my life changed. I found a true relationship with Christ and I started to change. Among my coworkers, church family and people I meet, I get along with most everyone. I have gained the respect of most of the people I see on a normal basis except my family. When it comes to my immediate family, I still get put down, called out for how I used to be and basically get no respect whatsoever.

Having said all of that, often times even when these things happen, God has a reason for allowing it to happen. Typically there is a lesson that needs to be learned or maybe your faith is just being tested. Stay strong and stay the course. God will never leave you or forsake you. Trust in that. Not in people.
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I also walked out of there the worst dad, husband, person and Christian in the world.
Your actions are not an end all deal. You obviously realized you have made a mistake, but the worst? I think not. When we look at out Biblical forefathers and study their mistakes, we realize they are just like us. Yet they were considered, men after GODs own heart, men that GOD considered them to be as close as a brother. GOD would walk with and commune with Adam, yet he committed the original sin.

So is your mistake the worst? I think not. Learn from it. We have a saying at work. "Let GOD use you"...well, "Let GOD use you" Your weakness is His strength.
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Praying for ya tonight...get alone with the Lord if you can, focus more on Him and less on "others" if that is possible...remember God is in the reconciliation business. He can fix it!


and Im up for a while if you need an ear...working on wrapping up a paper on 1 Timothy 2 & 3 and women teaching in the church

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Prayers for you on this "new day"...fresh start Amigo
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Also agree....
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I just checked back in on this thread.
I wish I would have waited to reply. I assumed it was a rhetorical question if sorts.

Now I know it wasn't.
In my defense.
I was going to be the 7th posts.

You said
When I walked out of there I felt like.....

Are you able/willing to expound on where there was?
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Since I don’t know what you’re going through, I will offer prayers for answers and peace. If you need help, I’m just a PM away
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I just checked back in on this thread.
I wish I would have waited to reply. I assumed it was a rhetorical question if sorts.

Now I know it wasn't.
In my defense.
I was going to be the 7th posts.

You said
When I walked out of there I felt like.....

Are you able/willing to expound on where there was?
Too late, we are going to execute you!
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That remark wasnít meant as a jab to the original poster, just Pushbutton!
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I see you are in Bryan...not very far from me and my family and I are in Bryan quite often. If ever you need to sit down with someone, shoot me a PM. Lifting you up in prayer!
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Here is my experience. As a Christian, sometimes i sin against GOD. Thankfully, when i repent(Turn from) my sin he is faithful to forgive me. In other times , I have sinned against GOD and a person as well. GOD forgave me but I had to ask for the persons forgiveness as well. In a couple of instances, the person wouldnt forgive me but I had repented an couldnt let that hold me down.

The BIBLE says all have sinned and come short of the glory of GOD. It also says that the righteousness of each and every one of us is the same in the eyes of GOD, FILTHY RAGS!

repent of your shortcomings, ask GOD for forgiveness and he will do so because JESUS paid the price for you. If you have sinned against another. let them know you have repented and ask their forgiveness. You may not get it immediately. if harm was done and you may have to pay a price for it with them. If you can afford the price, pay it! Regardless, move on.
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You can't come mention your issues, complain about them, and ask for advice without giving some people some insight

Biggest battle of your life does not sound good!!!!! SO I hope you win this battle but at the end of the day become a better person and understand why it is happening.

Maybe you are doing things wrong? Maybe a woman is involved and that may lie the issue
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You can't come mention your issues, complain about them, and ask for advice without giving some people some insight

Biggest battle of your life does not sound good!!!!! SO I hope you win this battle but at the end of the day become a better person and understand why it is happening.

Maybe you are doing things wrong? Maybe a woman is involved and that may lie the issue
This thread isn't about what I've done..it's not here to fuel a need for gossip either. So you can guess all you want and it won't add anything positive to this thread at all. Why does the harshest judgement come from the ones that aren't supposed to judge at all?

Answer that question and you have done something.
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Here is my experience. As a Christian, sometimes i sin against GOD. Thankfully, when i repent(Turn from) my sin he is faithful to forgive me. In other times , I have sinned against GOD and a person as well. GOD forgave me but I had to ask for the persons forgiveness as well. In a couple of instances, the person wouldnt forgive me but I had repented an couldnt let that hold me down.

The BIBLE says all have sinned and come short of the glory of GOD. It also says that the righteousness of each and every one of us is the same in the eyes of GOD, FILTHY RAGS!

repent of your shortcomings, ask GOD for forgiveness and he will do so because JESUS paid the price for you. If you have sinned against another. let them know you have repented and ask their forgiveness. You may not get it immediately. if harm was done and you may have to pay a price for it with them. If you can afford the price, pay it! Regardless, move on.
Prayerfully yours, Steve
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This thread isn't about what I've done..it's not here to fuel a need for gossip either. So you can guess all you want and it won't add anything positive to this thread at all. Why does the harshest judgement come from the ones that aren't supposed to judge at all?

Answer that question and you have done something.
That's a hard question to answer. People are people, mob mentality, maybe they aren't Christians. I could go on. None of those are the right thing to do.
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This thread isn't about what I've done..it's not here to fuel a need for gossip either. So you can guess all you want and it won't add anything positive to this thread at all. Why does the harshest judgement come from the ones that aren't supposed to judge at all?

Answer that question and you have done something.

Do you have a bunch of Muslims, Buddhists, Atheists or Agnostic folks judging you as well so you can make that claim? Or are we just getting judged/getting tough love by some folks who are proclaimed Christians and hence, sensationalizing the Christian religion to make your point?

I'd be willing to bet the Muslim army is brutal to their "wounded".

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I didn't go to any muslims for guidance. I went to "my" people, so I can't answer that or care to. If you want a thread on other religions then Go start one. This thread already has a title and a topic.
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If your complaint is every one treats you like you're an *******... wherever you go...
Maybe you're an *******.
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I didn't go to any muslims for guidance. I went to "my" people, so I can't answer that or care to. If you want a thread on other religions then Go start one. This thread already has a title and a topic.


I donít want another thread but your title and subsequent post/claim is pretty bogus without comparisons.
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If your complaint is every one treats you like you're an *******... wherever you go...

Maybe you're an *******.


Hard to argue with that logic. Not directed at the OP of course but that is sound advice.
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If your complaint is every one treats you like you're an *******... wherever you go...
Maybe you're an *******.
And if you can't identify the ******* in the room then your probably the *******.


Great uplifting advice. Glad you took the time to contribute.
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Hard to argue with that logic. Not directed at the OP of course but that is sound advice.
From what I understand it's made clear upfront that if you **** off allah you get your head cut off.

If buddhist gets mad then they aren't a peace loving Buddhist.

Christianity is based on love and forgiveness. It also has clear guidelines on judging. So when you sign up it's a bit rough when you get kicked around by the same dudes.
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From what I understand it's made clear upfront that if you **** off allah you get your head cut off.



If buddhist gets mad then they aren't a peace loving Buddhist.



Christianity is based on love and forgiveness. It also has clear guidelines on judging. So when you sign up it's a bit rough when you get kicked around by the same dudes.


Sure but the signee has to do his part as well....

Sounds like the Muslim army executes their wounded without questioning
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Old 01-12-2018, 03:54 PM   #48
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Old 01-12-2018, 04:02 PM   #49
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Why does the harshest judgement come from the ones that aren't supposed to judge at all?

Answer that question and you have done something.

Not knowing the exact situation, I'm not sure I can zero in on an acceptable answer.
However, oftentimes, whether others are 'judgmental' or using 'tough love' is primarily from the perspective of the recipient. Some folks go to others wanting validation, support, and warm fuzzies but they receive somewhat of a rebuke. That rebuke can be completely righteous and biblical but it wasn't necessarily what was desired or anticipated, so it seems judgmental.
The thought that Christians are not supposed to 'judge' others has been completely twisted and contorted by those who espouse 'acceptance'. We are not to 'condemn' one another, but we are to call one another out about transgressions and help one another turn around (repent).
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Not knowing the exact situation, I'm not sure I can zero in on an acceptable answer.
However, oftentimes, whether others are 'judgmental' or using 'tough love' is primarily from the perspective of the recipient. Some folks go to others wanting validation, support, and warm fuzzies but they receive somewhat of a rebuke. That rebuke can be completely righteous and biblical but it wasn't necessarily what was desired or anticipated, so it seems judgmental.
The thought that Christians are not supposed to 'judge' others has been completely twisted and contorted by those who espouse 'acceptance'. We are not to 'condemn' one another, but we are to call one another out about transgressions and help one another turn around (repent).
More specifically Matthew 18:15-17 gives us a blueprint specifically for confronting a brother in sin.

Matthew 18:15-20

Restoring a Brother
“If your brother sins against you, go and rebuke him in private. If he listens to you, you have won your brother. But if he won’t listen, take one or two more with you, so that by the testimony of two or three witnesses every fact may be established. If he pays no attention to them, tell the church. But if he doesn’t pay attention even to the church, let him be like an unbeliever and a tax collector to you. I assure you: Whatever you bind on earth is already bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth is already loosed in heaven. Again, I assure you: If two of you on earth agree about any matter that you pray for, it will be done for you by My Father in heaven. For where two or three are gathered together in My name, I am there among them.”

It is a delicate subject, but not un-biblical to confront a brother.

There is no way that any of us can provide an answer here because we do not know the specifics of the situation nor were we a party to the conversation with your friend.

So I’m going to leave you with 2 questions that only you and God can answer

1) are you and your relationships functioning in a Christlike manner?
2) were the statements of your friend true?

If you have to answer that last one with a “yeah but” then the answer is they are true. When you add yeah but you are justifying why you behaved in a certain way.
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