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Old 01-10-2018, 11:40 PM   #1
barnag
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Default Rain collectors and watering trees

I have about 15 trees that need watering. Last summer I made multiple trips with as many 5 gallon buckets I could put in the truck from a nearby pond to the trees and back. (Using tree gators).
Thinking about putting a rain collector near the trees with a faucet to make it easier on myself. Any helpful tips from others who’ve done something similar?
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Old 01-11-2018, 09:18 PM   #2
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I have taken on a project to grow what I have termed my "vertical food plot", I have been planting pecan trees on my place in the Junction area. It takes some effort to get them established and keep them growing in this somewhat arid climate. After planting I immediately put a tree tube around the sapling, then a wire cage of 3-5 feet diameter. Both of these are staked down due to the high winds like we have been getting this week and to keep the animals from pushing the protection around. I water in each tree after planting too with about a half gallon.

Long term I have set up 275-330 gallon water totes near each set of saplings. I bought a hose end timer that can be set to feed daily for however long each setting as you wish (I typically do about 20 minutes each morning around sunrise). This is connected to 1/2" poly tubing ran towards each sapling. As the tubing passes by a sapling I take off the 1/2" line with a 1/4" drip line which goes right to the base of the trunk. After purging the air out of the lines I set the timer to deliver about a gallon of water each day to each sapling on that 1/2" line. I put about 5-6 saplings on a 1/2" line.

To fill the totes I use another tote bins I pull around on a small trailer. I was just filling this with a garden hose from my well but that was taking 45 minutes to fill each trip and I had to make several trips to fill all the totes. I rigged up a boat bilge pump to transfer from the trailered tote to the base totes, and this too was taking about 45 minutes. So as you can see, I spent a lot of time filling water totes when they were all empty. The key was to not let all of them get empty at the same time so I only had to fill one each trip to the ranch.

Well last year I went to harbor freight and bought a 2" water pump and now I can fill or empty a tote in about 5 minutes. Best $200 spent on this project last year!

I planted 11 new pecans last weekend and will plant at least that many more on my next trip out. I will put the watering systems on them around March, after the threat of freezing weather diminishes greatly, the hose end timers will freeze and break... been there...

Good luck,
Tim
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Old 01-20-2018, 07:44 PM   #3
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Have any pics of this set up?
Cages included.
I planted 3 gallon trees a couple seasons ago and simply let nature take its course
One apple tree got rubbed in half
They all got nibbled bald both seasons
3 peach trees didn't make it because of lack of water
I guess thisstill had more clay in it than the soil hand mile on the other side of the property
I have a well in property near the county road but that's 2000 feet away from these trees

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I have taken on a project to grow what I have termed my "vertical food plot", I have been planting pecan trees on my place in the Junction area. It takes some effort to get them established and keep them growing in this somewhat arid climate. After planting I immediately put a tree tube around the sapling, then a wire cage of 3-5 feet diameter. Both of these are staked down due to the high winds like we have been getting this week and to keep the animals from pushing the protection around. I water in each tree after planting too with about a half gallon.

Long term I have set up 275-330 gallon water totes near each set of saplings. I bought a hose end timer that can be set to feed daily for however long each setting as you wish (I typically do about 20 minutes each morning around sunrise). This is connected to 1/2" poly tubing ran towards each sapling. As the tubing passes by a sapling I take off the 1/2" line with a 1/4" drip line which goes right to the base of the trunk. After purging the air out of the lines I set the timer to deliver about a gallon of water each day to each sapling on that 1/2" line. I put about 5-6 saplings on a 1/2" line.

To fill the totes I use another tote bins I pull around on a small trailer. I was just filling this with a garden hose from my well but that was taking 45 minutes to fill each trip and I had to make several trips to fill all the totes. I rigged up a boat bilge pump to transfer from the trailered tote to the base totes, and this too was taking about 45 minutes. So as you can see, I spent a lot of time filling water totes when they were all empty. The key was to not let all of them get empty at the same time so I only had to fill one each trip to the ranch.

Well last year I went to harbor freight and bought a 2" water pump and now I can fill or empty a tote in about 5 minutes. Best $200 spent on this project last year!

I planted 11 new pecans last weekend and will plant at least that many more on my next trip out. I will put the watering systems on them around March, after the threat of freezing weather diminishes greatly, the hose end timers will freeze and break... been there...

Good luck,
Tim
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Old 01-21-2018, 09:31 PM   #4
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I just got back from the ranch this afternoon after planting 6 more pecan trees and digging holes for 25 more trees that will go in the ground next weekend. They should have all gone in the ground this weekend but the icy weather delayed my shipment from Nativ nurseries. Box delivered a few hours after I left town on Friday. SMH

Anyway, I will take some pictures next weekend. I don't have the water totes full or timers on them right now due to the threat of freezing weather. I will start that back up in March most likely.

Tim
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Old 01-21-2018, 11:24 PM   #5
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Default Rain collectors and watering trees

I planted 16 today using tree tubes. My trees were delayed 3 days from Nativ also. I hope the storms tonight didn't blow the tubes off.

Barnag, how big are your trees that need watered? If you set the tree tubes down into the ground, they can hold water from running out as quick and collect condensation.





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I just got back from the ranch this afternoon after planting 6 more pecan trees and digging holes for 25 more trees that will go in the ground next weekend. They should have all gone in the ground this weekend but the icy weather delayed my shipment from Nativ nurseries. Box delivered a few hours after I left town on Friday. SMH

Anyway, I will take some pictures next weekend. I don't have the water totes full or timers on them right now due to the threat of freezing weather. I will start that back up in March most likely.

Tim
Since the season is basically over I plan on planting six 30 gallon pecan trees within the next 3 weeks.
Nursery by my house usually strikes me deals during this time of year so I hope to get those 30 gal at $75 each (normally $200+)
I'm planting the indian varieties such as Kiawa and Pawnee

I need to source a post hole digger because 180 gallons is a bit much for my shovelling
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I planted 16 today using tree tubes. My trees were delayed 3 days from Nativ also. I hope the storms tonight didn't blow the tubes off.


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QDMA forums (RIP) taught me that I need to use tubes and cages on each new planting.
But I was knumbskull and didn't do it so deer have browsed all my leaves off every season and rubbed an Apple tree to death.
They rubbed a moon glow pear as well but it's survived.

I need to buy those tubes online
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Old Yesterday, 10:56 AM   #8
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I planted 16 today using tree tubes. My trees were delayed 3 days from Nativ also. I hope the storms tonight didn't blow the tubes off.

Barnag, how big are your trees that need watered? If you set the tree tubes down into the ground, they can hold water from running out as quick and collect condensation.
They are all either saplings or bareroot.
Ordered from the Wildlife Group last year. About to order some more from them and Nativ Nurseries.
I use the tree tubes too, great investment.
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I have taken on a project to grow what I have termed my "vertical food plot", I have been planting pecan trees on my place in the Junction area. It takes some effort to get them established and keep them growing in this somewhat arid climate. After planting I immediately put a tree tube around the sapling, then a wire cage of 3-5 feet diameter. Both of these are staked down due to the high winds like we have been getting this week and to keep the animals from pushing the protection around. I water in each tree after planting too with about a half gallon.

Long term I have set up 275-330 gallon water totes near each set of saplings. I bought a hose end timer that can be set to feed daily for however long each setting as you wish (I typically do about 20 minutes each morning around sunrise). This is connected to 1/2" poly tubing ran towards each sapling. As the tubing passes by a sapling I take off the 1/2" line with a 1/4" drip line which goes right to the base of the trunk. After purging the air out of the lines I set the timer to deliver about a gallon of water each day to each sapling on that 1/2" line. I put about 5-6 saplings on a 1/2" line.

To fill the totes I use another tote bins I pull around on a small trailer. I was just filling this with a garden hose from my well but that was taking 45 minutes to fill each trip and I had to make several trips to fill all the totes. I rigged up a boat bilge pump to transfer from the trailered tote to the base totes, and this too was taking about 45 minutes. So as you can see, I spent a lot of time filling water totes when they were all empty. The key was to not let all of them get empty at the same time so I only had to fill one each trip to the ranch.

Well last year I went to harbor freight and bought a 2" water pump and now I can fill or empty a tote in about 5 minutes. Best $200 spent on this project last year!

I planted 11 new pecans last weekend and will plant at least that many more on my next trip out. I will put the watering systems on them around March, after the threat of freezing weather diminishes greatly, the hose end timers will freeze and break... been there...

Good luck,
Tim
Got a link to the hose end timer that you use?
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Old Yesterday, 08:44 PM   #10
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I just ordered three more timers today, bringing my total to 10. These are what I ordered, as they appear identical to the several Orbit brand timers I have had for a couple of years. The Orbit ones are good, but these are cheaper and that matters when you get as many as I have. None of them will survive subfreezing weather though, so bring them inside once rifle season starts.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0...?ie=UTF8&psc=1

As for tree tubes, I have tried several and like these. First from AM Leonard:
https://www.amleo.com/max-grow-tube-...of-5/p/VP-MGX/

and these from Tree Protection Supply
https://www.treeprotectionsupply.com...ombitube-5-ft/

These wound up being cheaper when buying the quantity that I did because they are priced with the shipping included. Shop around depending on the number you need.


I did try some last year that I will recommend to avoid. These were blue in color and came as flat pieces that you had to roll in to a tube. They were a pain to curl and did not want to stay together. I wound up having to stiffen them with a bamboo shoot and wrap them with several rounds of duct tape, and some still could not survive the wind out north of Junction. I cannot recall where I bought them from, but knowing me they were a penny cheaper or something. Heed my warning and don't skimp here.


For cages, I bought the cheapest roll fencing I could find when needed. Last week I bought this from TSC
https://www.tractorsupply.com/tsc/pr...x-330-ft?rfk=1

I cut pieces 9-10 feet long and made a circle out of them. Then the cheapest stakes that I could find for both the tubes and cages are rebar. I bought 20 foot rods and cut them down to 4 foot long pieces with an abrasive blade on my circular saw. These wound up costing me about $0.50 a piece versus buying something for three to four times or more.
Last year I tried bamboo but could not get them to drive in to the west Texas dirt well enough stabilize things. Wind and deer pushed over many of the tubes.

Cages are a must with my deer density, and a good idea otherwise. The trees wind up being the cheapest part of this project for me.

On a side note, if I can ever find a supplier for cotton seed out around Junction then maybe I can use some of these cages later to feed that stuff out of.

Tim
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Old Yesterday, 08:56 PM   #11
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These are the crappy blue ones (in my opinion); DO NOT BUY
http://www.forestry-suppliers.com/pr...=17142&redir=Y

Tim
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