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I honestly don’t think Keto is the route you should take. I would suggest Macroholics Nutrition (based out of Lubbock Tex). You can find them on Facebook or their web page
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That's generally good advice for some on here even when not talking diet.
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Jack Daniels is keto friendly!
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My doctor told me to stay away from Keto at my age.

Then again he also told me that sitting on my azz is bad for my cholesterol.
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I don't need to lose a lot of weight - 10 pounds would be great. 15 at the most. Mostly I would like to get my cholesterol numbers looking better, although I have seen all the opinions about how cholesterol isn't really bad and that inflammation is the biggest cause of atherosclerosis.
Shane this is exactly where Im at for the exact reasons you mentioned. Im doing better and will get back to eating correctly after the holidays. Ive toyed with the Keto and unwittingly did it for awhile several years ago before I knew what it was. I just got skinny and didnt like the way I looked.

Your statement about cholesterol not being bad but inflammation in the body causing atherosclerosis is spot on. I have always had moderately high cholesterol numbers. I focus on removing/staying away from inflammation in my body as much as possible. I had some tests run last year at age 55 as part as an overall health screening and my arteries are super clean with zero build up. I would tell people to research this whole cholesterol causes heart disease thing. It came from govt studies and big pharma......surprise.
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Shane this is exactly where Im at for the exact reasons you mentioned. Im doing better and will get back to eating correctly after the holidays. Ive toyed with the Keto and unwittingly did it for awhile several years ago before I knew what it was. I just got skinny and didnt like the way I looked.

Your statement about cholesterol not being bad but inflammation in the body causing atherosclerosis is spot on. I have always had moderately high cholesterol numbers. I focus on removing/staying away from inflammation in my body as much as possible. I had some tests run last year at age 55 as part as an overall health screening and my arteries are super clean with zero build up. I would tell people to research this whole cholesterol causes heart disease thing. It came from govt studies and big pharma......surprise.
High LDL-P is risky. LDL-C and LDL-P are not necessarily correlated. In a standard panel, the typically measure LDL-C but not LDL-P, and a shockingly high number of physicians or unaware of the difference as it pertains to risk for atherosclerosis, which if you find that to be the case, you need to find a primary care doctor that is better versed in the practice of medicine.
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My doctor told me to stay away from Keto at my age.

Then again he also told me that sitting on my azz is bad for my cholesterol.
Are you a diabetic?
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Are you a diabetic?
At one point in my life, my A1C was over 7.5 and cholesterol was 250. Triglycerides stayed around 400-600. I never gave a chit about anything back then, till I figured out that I did not want to end up in a wheel chair from diabetes and paying someone to wipe my azz everyday.

At age 50 I lost 85 pounds by portion control and high physical activity. I rarely eat any junk food today, but still drink alcohol and raise hell. I walk 10 miles a week and use a Bowflex M5 trainer 15 minutes a day.

I injured myself back in August and was on limited physical activity for two months. Liked to drove me crazy.

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Shane this is exactly where Im at for the exact reasons you mentioned. Im doing better and will get back to eating correctly after the holidays. Ive toyed with the Keto and unwittingly did it for awhile several years ago before I knew what it was. I just got skinny and didnt like the way I looked.

Your statement about cholesterol not being bad but inflammation in the body causing atherosclerosis is spot on. I have always had moderately high cholesterol numbers. I focus on removing/staying away from inflammation in my body as much as possible. I had some tests run last year at age 55 as part as an overall health screening and my arteries are super clean with zero build up. I would tell people to research this whole cholesterol causes heart disease thing. It came from govt studies and big pharma......surprise.
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High LDL-P is risky. LDL-C and LDL-P are not necessarily correlated. In a standard panel, the typically measure LDL-C but not LDL-P, and a shockingly high number of physicians or unaware of the difference as it pertains to risk for atherosclerosis, which if you find that to be the case, you need to find a primary care doctor that is better versed in the practice of medicine.
Yep. I've been doing a lot of research about it the last couple days. The more I research about cholesterol and heart disease, the less I care and worry about cholesterol.
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Everyone I know who has done the Keto diet, atkins, paleo, weight watchers (wife included). Has gone right back to where they used to be after stopping. You have to make a lifestyle change.
Somewhere in a person's mind is will power, you got to find it. I can sit at the kitchen table with bowls of food all around me and not have the desire to eat. I never skip breakfast and drink lots of water.

The problem is being tempted to eat a bunch of crappy food and sit around, like right now I need to be cutting firewood but I am on TBH instead.
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Somewhere in a person's mind is will power, you got to find it. I can sit at the kitchen table with bowls of food all around me and not have the desire to eat. I never skip breakfast and drink lots of water.



The problem is being tempted to eat a bunch of crappy food and sit around, like right now I need to be cutting firewood but I am on TBH instead.


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17 grams of carbs today. Ate eggs, elk backstrap, crab legs, shrimp.... Not a bad day.
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Thanks for all the help, y'all. The Diet Doctor and a couple other sites were very helpful. It's not as complicated as I thought it was gonna be. Been eating keto stuff for the last few days, both at home and at restaurants. I use the myFitnessPal app. It's helpful to plug in a food and see the macros to find out if it fits for keto or not.

The first day I had a little bit of a headache, but not bad. Drank some electrolytes in my water, and that cleared it up.

Also, I've been eating 3 meals/day with healthy snacks in between meals for years. But the last few days on low carb foods, I haven't been hungry at all between meals - sometimes not even hungry when it's meal time again. Y'all were right about that too. I've been reading about the benefits of intermittent fasting. I can see how that won't be hard at all eating like this. Pretty cool.

So far, I'm loving it.
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Old 12-24-2019, 04:51 PM   #66
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Keto is not that hard once you get the hang of it, especially using an app like My Fitness Pal or Carb Manager. Not sure if you are close to a Chipotle, but that is my go to for lunch because it is so easy. The headaches might continue, but plenty of water and electrolytes should help. Powerade Zero was always a good option.

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Old 12-24-2019, 09:58 PM   #67
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Keto is not that hard once you get the hang of it, especially using an app like My Fitness Pal or Carb Manager. Not sure if you are close to a Chipotle, but that is my go to for lunch because it is so easy. The headaches might continue, but plenty of water and electrolytes should help. Powerade Zero was always a good option.

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There's a Chipotle in town, but I'm not a fan of their food. Plenty of other options that are good though.

Topo Chico and Hydra Surge electrolyte powder is pretty good.
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Old 12-24-2019, 10:01 PM   #68
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There's a Chipotle in town, but I'm not a fan of their food. Plenty of other options that are good though.



Topo Chico and Hydra Surge electrolyte powder is pretty good.


Not a big fan of Chipotle either.


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2lbs of backstrap seasoned in a paleo rub, 4 eggs for breakfast.

Panda Express power greens and black pepper chicken for supper. The sauce has a few, but the high amount of fiber in the greens helps a bit. Wash it down with a ice cold diet coke.. keto ain't hard.

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Old 12-25-2019, 03:14 AM   #70
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My cholesterol numbers are a little high, so I want to try keto in hopes of getting those #s back down. Is there a good resource out there that has meal plans, recipes, and grocery lists all pre-planned? I'd like to find something like that rather than have to figure out how to plan every meal for the first month or so. Seems like that would make it easier to learn and get used to the keto way of cooking and eating.
I lost 80 lbs on the plan that my wife, a certified health coach, got me on and I'm off any high cholesterol and high blood pressure meds. Best thing is that it is all set out for you in a plan that is simple to follow without having to count calories or spend all day on a Sunday prepping meals for the week.
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2lbs of backstrap seasoned in a paleo rub, 4 eggs for breakfast.

Panda Express power greens and black pepper chicken for supper. The sauce has a few, but the high amount of fiber in the greens helps a bit. Wash it down with a ice cold diet coke.. keto ain't hard.

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Two pounds of venison in a sitting is far from keto
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What happened to good old fashion exercise and eating cleaner.
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What happened to good old fashion exercise and eating cleaner.


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Two pounds of venison in a sitting is far from keto
Don't forget the diet coke
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Old 12-26-2019, 12:47 AM   #75
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I’d watch the diet soft drinks and take it easy on the protein, a lot of people think keto is high protein but is actually a moderate to low protein diet, until you reach your goal weight you can up it to build muscle while working out. But too much protein will turn into glucose. A lot of the crap in diet soda will turn into sugar, spike insulin and make weight loss more difficult also. It took me a little bit to figure out the perfect amount of protein per day.
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Iíd watch the diet soft drinks and take it easy on the protein, a lot of people think keto is high protein but is actually a moderate to low protein diet, until you reach your goal weight you can up it to build muscle while working out. But too much protein will turn into glucose. A lot of the crap in diet soda will turn into sugar, spike insulin and make weight loss more difficult also. It took me a little bit to figure out the perfect amount of protein per day.
So were you tracking your macros? If so how much protein were you consuming daily and what was your target weight?
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Old 12-26-2019, 11:37 PM   #77
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Great thread! Is there any decent NON alcoholic drinks? I don’t mind water but all day kinda sucks
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Old 12-27-2019, 09:13 AM   #78
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Great thread! Is there any decent NON alcoholic drinks? I donít mind water but all day kinda sucks
Some of the flavored Sparkling Waters/Seltzers aren't bad. You just have to try a few and figure out which ones you like.
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Do Smart Keto and Intermediating Fasting

When I say Smart Keto, I mean to concentrate on fats/oils that are liquid at room temperature. You don’t have to eat bacon/eggs/beef all the time, doing so will cause your cholesterol to go up. Stick to Fish, chicken, and pork. Use avocado oil and olive oil for cooking. MCT oil helps a lot (stick to the organic, pure MCT oil).

Broccoli and Spinach are great veggies for keto. Eat as much as you want of them. Also, Guacamole is good on everything! I use the single serving packs as seasoning on veggies.

Intermediate fasting- many different versions of these. Look them up and pick the one that works for you. I tend to skip dinner and find that it helps me sleep better.
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anyone here seen anything on intermittent fasting and testosterone? listened to something the other day that said its been shown to lower T levels....
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So were you tracking your macros? If so how much protein were you consuming daily and what was your target weight?
Yes I do, I donít write them down but itís easy for me to keep track in my head on a daily basis. My goal weight was 175 from 233. I consumed about 100 grams a protein a day while I was losing. I now eat around 180 grams a day but Iím trying to maintain.
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Yes I do, I donít write them down but itís easy for me to keep track in my head on a daily basis. My goal weight was 175 from 233. I consumed about 100 grams a protein a day while I was losing. I now eat around 180 grams a day but Iím trying to maintain.
how many carbs?
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Old 12-27-2019, 11:14 AM   #83
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Do not cook with olive oil if you are trying to get the benefits of olive oil. It should be put on top of food after it’s cooked or on salads.
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Yes I do, I donít write them down but itís easy for me to keep track in my head on a daily basis. My goal weight was 175 from 233. I consumed about 100 grams a protein a day while I was losing. I now eat around 180 grams a day but Iím trying to maintain.
thank you. That is easy enough. Ive always been high protein with moderate fat and carbs. I dont mind low carbs at all but it is going to take some getting used to, to switch to high fat, moderate protein.
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What happened to good old fashion exercise and eating cleaner.
It works for sure.....it is what I did about 7 years ago to make a lifestyle change and getting into great shape. Life threw me some severe curveballs for the better part of this year and Ive put on about 12-15lbs of fat because I stopped exercising and eating clean for about 8 months. Im just looking to try something different to knock the fat off a little quicker. No harm in trying a different method to get back to where I want to be. It seems to me Keto is eating clean but in a different way. Once I get to my target, I'll probably go back to eating high protein with moderate carbs and fat intake. I like to eat meat!!!!
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Do not cook with olive oil if you are trying to get the benefits of olive oil. It should be put on top of food after itís cooked or on salads.
So many dont understand that olive oil doesnt do well with heat. I laugh at all the Chefs on tv using olive oil to cook with. They are destroying it. People should be using avocado oil to cook with. Probably the best oil that is healthy and has a high heat/smoke point thus avoiding toxins.
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I wouldnít skip meals. If you do however, Iíd skip breakfast. I would buy a bag of babybel cheese, pork, as much ribeye as you can afford and avocados. I really enjoy pasta, so I would often do spaghetti with vegetable noodles. Kroger usually has some low carb marinara sauces.


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All the reading I've done recently about keto has lead to other info about cholesterol (lots of research indicates it's not the devil after all) and also other info about intermittent fasting. There appears to be loads of health benefits with IF. This isn't saying you need to skip nutrition and starve yourself. Instead, it appears to be beneficial if you eat all your calories and nutrients within a shorter window of time and then go for 16-18 hours per day without eating anything.

As much as I've never liked skipping meals or even a snack between meals, I'm gonna give IF a shot. Eating keto has instantly made it possible for me to not eat snacks between meals. I'm fuller for longer eating this way. I will probably experiment with eating breakfast and lunch only and then with eating lunch and supper only to see which works best for me.
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Reddit.com/r/intermittentfasting

I'm about to start week four of 16/8. My stomach may start growling around 11:30am as I'll start my 8 hour window at noon. It's been a game changer for me for hunting in the mornings. I can sit all morning and have no hunger pangs that make me want to get down and go eat.

I think I'll go another week or 2 at 16/8 and then try 18/6. Haven't done a 24 hour fast or OMAD(one meal a day) yet.
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20 hours into a 3 or 4 day fast (haven't decided how long I'm going to go). BHB 2.1 mmol CBG 70 mg/dL or 3.89 mmol. I want to get that ratio close to 1:1 (mmol basis). Supposedly by day three, you get clarity of mind that rivals a coming to Jesus moment. First two days are the toughest. Would love to be snacking on some kerrygold right about now, but I've made up my mind. I'm seeing this through.

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20 hours into a 3 or 4 day fast (haven't decided how long I'm going to go). BHB 2.1 mmol CBG 70 mg/dL or 3.89 mmol. I want to get that ratio close to 1:1 (mmol basis). Supposedly by day three, you get clarity of mind that rivals a coming to Jesus moment. First two days are the toughest. Would love to be snacking on some kerrygold right about now, but I've made up my mind. I'm seeing this through.
I have a buddy that has been doing 3 day fasts here and there and is planning a 5 day. He raved about the effects on his mind fasting has done. Curious to get your feedback as well once done.
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Been doing 16/8 since 11/24 with a few 18/6 mixed in but not on purpose just how itfell. I will say that my sleep has been much better and my indigestion/reflux is completely gone. I have lost between 8-9 lbs without changing my diet only adding more fruits and veggies. Had headaches for the first 2 days and the growling in the mornings has almost stopped. I have also noticed a uptick in my energy in the evenings.
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You guys that are doing IF, when do you workout in relation to when you eat? Are you working out in the mornings, before you eat anything that day? Or do you workout in the afternoon or evening, after a meal or two?
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Old 12-28-2019, 10:49 AM   #94
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Been doing Keto for a couple years now, got on it due to blood-pressure. BP is now ideal. Great - and accurate - info in this thread. One thing, your cholesterol will initially go up as you get fat-adjusted. it'll level off and go down in about 4-6 months.

I do IF as well. I stop eating around 7:00 PM and don't eat again until about 1:00pm the next day. I use my lunch hour at work to work-out. Don't have any issues with power, hunger, intensity, etc. No issues at all.

Of note, I fell off the keto wagon a few days back what with the in-laws and Christmas here. I ate a big meal with carbs and sugar and literally thought I was going to hurl. Ate coffee-cake for breakfast Christmas morning and felt like crap....put me out for about an hour or so. When you get weaned off the sugar addiction, your insulin receptors get back to normal, you don't need all that sugar and when you eat a big meal with carbs or a big piece of apple pie as I did.....it'll knock you for a loop. I can literally "feel" the sugar rush. Not a good thing. Going back to keto today as I am now hungry when I wake up in the morning and I don't have he energy I usually have. Eating the food was fun, but not worth feeling like crap.

I wish everyone success in their journey. Like one poster said earlier, the folks who claim "It doesn't work," are either not doing it right or are misinformed. I watched a buddy of mine proclaim how it wasn't working for him as he was stuffing a piece of cake in his suck-hole. Nothing I could say to him registered. Now, I just nod and say "OK."
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I’m not going to suggest that it’s for everyone. Simply too much genetic variation in the population (lipoprotein lipase density expressed in muscle and adipose tissue for example). I feel as though my sustained glycolytic capacity is negatively effected (which makes sense given you don’t have the glycogen stores in the liver to mobilize), but feel that the trade off in cognition is worth it. I’ll probably just shift to some sort of carb cycling routine on days I’ll doing anything higher intensity (lifting heavy with adequate rest between sets isn’t hindered, but circuits and any sort of training that keeps my heart rate up for an extended period of time sucks). I ate 4-5 cookies immediately after a tough workout the other day prior to going to bed and was around 1 mmol BHB the following morning. I’m sure all that sugar went straight into replenishing muscle glycogen stores.

Going to bed hungry last night sucked. All I could think about was food. Feel better this morning.
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I am currently on a 24 hour fast in order to jump start my ketosis. I have about 100lbs to lose. I have high BP and high cholesterol. I am a total wreck, lol. When I was in the Marines, I knew that in order to lose weight, I just ran my butt off but now, 16 years later, life prevents that and my body isn't as spry as it used to be. I am hoping this keto thing works out. My plan is to eat a lot of protein tomorrow mixed with nuts and veggies and to pound the water. If there is anything I am forgetting to do, yall PM me! I am glad alot of yall are on the same train!
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I am currently on a 24 hour fast in order to jump start my ketosis. I have about 100lbs to lose. I have high BP and high cholesterol. I am a total wreck, lol. When I was in the Marines, I knew that in order to lose weight, I just ran my butt off but now, 16 years later, life prevents that and my body isn't as spry as it used to be. I am hoping this keto thing works out. My plan is to eat a lot of protein tomorrow mixed with nuts and veggies and to pound the water. If there is anything I am forgetting to do, yall PM me! I am glad alot of yall are on the same train!
I'm not a big fan of big changes, because I believe you can fall back just as quickly. I've done the keto stuff long enough to know that it works, but unless you can make it a lifestyle change (grocery shopping differently, support from others in the household, planning around outings to avoid certain foods) then it's very hard to maintain.

I've always believed that if you make one daily change and replace it with a new one, and keep to that for a good while, that it helps develop new habits and a new daily routine.

So start with something like no sodas and do 30 minutes of treadmill or elliptical 2 out of 3 days, you'll see changes that will take longer to achieve, but that will be more permanent.

Hope it helps.

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Keto? Whats that???

Being silly. Mexicans dont do diets.
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Old 01-02-2020, 06:57 PM   #100
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When I do have a cheat day, my body lets me know it ain't happy.
Oh same here. I can eat really good for a few weeks then 2 or 3 days at deer camp eating that slop those old timers cook will have me begging to get back on my diet again. I just start cooking for myself at camp. A day or two eating anything with sugar or carbs (with the exception of carrots and beans and stuff) will have my joints aching and my guts all knotted up.
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