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Old 04-26-2016, 03:44 PM   #1
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Are you supposed to have the lower engraved before or after it gets approved?

I've had people tell me to do it both ways.

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Old 04-26-2016, 03:46 PM   #2
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My form 1 should be back anyday now. My lower will be engraved after approval. Didnt see any reason to permanently mark it before its approved.
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Old 04-26-2016, 03:50 PM   #3
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I don't think it matters...Just have it done before you complete the build.
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Old 04-26-2016, 03:55 PM   #4
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I did mine after approval, however, some like to do it before even sending their Form 1 to make sure the engraver does it correctly since the engraving can't be undone.
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Old 04-26-2016, 03:56 PM   #5
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get it done before so you don't waste those days after its approved
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Old 04-26-2016, 04:06 PM   #6
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get it done before so you don't waste those days after its approved
Been there, its a LOOOONNNNNG wait once you have your stamp...
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Old 04-26-2016, 04:40 PM   #7
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I will always engrave mine before I submit paperwork. I've been burned multiple times by bad engravings, so I'm happy I went that route. Buying another lower definitely beats being stuck with a messed up engraving. Nothing worse than putting together a stack of high end parts and having to assemble them in a jacked up lower because the serial number was already submitted to ATF. Even the most highly recommended engravers make mistakes sometimes.
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Old 04-26-2016, 04:49 PM   #8
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Been there, its a LOOOONNNNNG wait once you have your stamp...

What makes it a long wait? Isn't it as simple as having a gun shop engrave it? Maybe a week turn around?

Or are you referring to a case where you wait for the form 1 to be approved and they botch the engraving job?
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What makes it a long wait? Isn't it as simple as having a gun shop engrave it? Maybe a week turn around?

Or are you referring to a case where you wait for the form 1 to be approved and they botch the engraving job?
Bro..... Everyone knows the day you get the form 1 back you immediately go to the range and go Full Operator with the new SBR


He's just saying the anticipation on having a approved form 1 but then having to engrave it and wait longer sucksssssss even if it's only a week or 2 long.
Some of us have no patience haha
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Old 04-26-2016, 04:54 PM   #10
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Oh I'd love to shoot it right after I pick it up! I didn't know if there was something I was missing on the engraving.

I'll also have to fill out a Dot 20 to get it back to Georgia....
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Old 04-26-2016, 05:46 PM   #11
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Or just buy a factory SBR
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Old 04-26-2016, 08:47 PM   #12
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From a legal standpoint, it does not matter. Before or after is fine. From a practical standpoint, since I've been doing gun trust, I have had several people have issues with Engraving. Based on those reported experiences, I would recommend that you engrave the receiver before you submit the form 1 and make sure that you're happy with the Engraving.

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Old 04-27-2016, 03:58 PM   #13
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Form 1 was submitted in mid January. I expect the approval in the next few weeks. So given my circumstance, should I try to get it engraved before the approval or just wait until it gets approved?
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Old 04-27-2016, 05:55 PM   #14
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Great question and great responses both ways.

If they jack up my engraving on one part, I'll just pick another spot and have them try and do it correctly there. It's not like I'm ever gonna sell it so the looks of a jacked up engraving don't really matter to me.
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Old 04-27-2016, 06:02 PM   #15
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Doesn't matter. Just don't put the barrel on till the stamp comes back

I did mine after submittal and before approval
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Old 04-27-2016, 06:25 PM   #16
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Any engravers in the houston area??
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Old 04-30-2016, 06:44 AM   #17
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Im pretty sure I was given this business card at the gun shop where I bought my can when I asked about engraving.

You might want to give them a call and see what they can offer.



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I have been to Pete's shop. I have shot his rifles. His work is impressive.

Pete has the cleanest shop I have ever seen. He is a great guy and his thread jobs are impressive

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Old 04-30-2016, 05:03 PM   #19
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http://newworldordnance.com/engraving/
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Old thread but I've got a question on engraving... Bought a Stag Arms .300 BO w/ 8.5" barrel. Currently awaiting F1/F4. Was told at the shop that most people don't actually engrave the lower. But then everywhere I searched, people were talking about how big of a deal it is to have it engraved... So the distinction is that I don't have to because I bought a complete SBR? Of course, it's got a pistol buffer until approval. I don't want to engrave my trust info onto the lower if I don't have to. I'll have a copy of the trust in it's case anyway.

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Old 02-23-2018, 01:26 PM   #21
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Old thread but I've got a question on engraving... Bought a Stag Arms .300 BO w/ 8.5" barrel. Currently awaiting F1/F4. Was told at the shop that most people don't actually engrave the lower. But then everywhere I searched, people were talking about how big of a deal it is to have it engraved... So the distinction is that I don't have to because I bought a complete SBR? Of course, it's got a pistol buffer until approval. I don't want to engrave my trust info onto the lower if I don't have to. I'll have a copy of the trust in it's case anyway.



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Not entirely sure this is correct, but if you are buying the firearm as a complete SBR the. (I think) the manufacturer (Stag Arms) would have already registered it as an SBR IF it was originally sold by Stag Arms as an SBR. Otherwise the person or company that “manufactures” (assembles) it into SBR form is responsible for the engraving/registering.

My SBR is built on a Spikes lower which was just a bare lower when I bought it, never been built into a pistol, rifle, or SBR. Because I was the first one who caused that lower to become an SBR, I was considered the “manufacturer” and had to engrave my info on it. Had I bought a lower that had already been registered as an SBR, I still would have had to pay the tax and send in the form, but I would only be transferring ownership, not manufacturing a new SBR.

Like I said I could be wrong but I think that’s how it works.
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Old thread but I've got a question on engraving... Bought a Stag Arms .300 BO w/ 8.5" barrel. Currently awaiting F1/F4. Was told at the shop that most people don't actually engrave the lower. But then everywhere I searched, people were talking about how big of a deal it is to have it engraved... So the distinction is that I don't have to because I bought a complete SBR? Of course, it's got a pistol buffer until approval. I don't want to engrave my trust info onto the lower if I don't have to. I'll have a copy of the trust in it's case anyway.

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You purchased it as a Pistol and the form would have been and F1.

Engrave it.
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Old 02-23-2018, 01:29 PM   #23
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Not entirely sure this is correct, but if you are buying the firearm as a complete SBR the. (I think) the manufacturer (Stag Arms) would have already registered it as an SBR IF it was originally sold by Stag Arms as an SBR. Otherwise the person or company that “manufactures” (assembles) it into SBR form is responsible for the engraving/registering.

My SBR is built on a Spikes lower which was just a bare lower when I bought it, never been built into a pistol, rifle, or SBR. Because I was the first one who caused that lower to become an SBR, I was considered the “manufacturer” and had to engrave my info on it. Had I bought a lower that had already been registered as an SBR, I still would have had to pay the tax and send in the form, but I would only be transferring ownership, not manufacturing a new SBR.

Like I said I could be wrong but I think that’s how it works.
Now that I think about it, that was a pretty silly question. he had uppers and lowers for sale. Bought a stag lower and complete stag upper w/ 8.5' barrel. Duh. Still confused by his reply when asked about when to do my engraving. "Nobody actually does that." Hmm... Seems like a pretty big deal to not have it engraved
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Old thread but I've got a question on engraving... Bought a Stag Arms .300 BO w/ 8.5" barrel. Currently awaiting F1/F4. Was told at the shop that most people don't actually engrave the lower. But then everywhere I searched, people were talking about how big of a deal it is to have it engraved... So the distinction is that I don't have to because I bought a complete SBR? Of course, it's got a pistol buffer until approval. I don't want to engrave my trust info onto the lower if I don't have to. I'll have a copy of the trust in it's case anyway.

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If you did not MFG it you do not have to engrave it.
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If you did not MFG it you do not have to engrave it.
Woah wait a minute... That seems to contradict what the others are saying. Right?? I bought a complete lower, a complete upper, and slapped it together with two pins right there in the shop.
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Woah wait a minute... That seems to contradict what the others are saying. Right?? I bought a complete lower, a complete upper, and slapped it together with two pins right there in the shop.
If it WAS NOT and SBR PRIOR to you slapping it together.........YOU MFGd IT!!!!!!!!!!!!
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If it WAS NOT and SBR PRIOR to you slapping it together.........YOU MFGd IT!!!!!!!!!!!!
If I knew the answer to my question, I wouldn't be asking it "dude". Chill out.

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If I knew the answer to my question, I wouldn't be asking it "dude". Chill out.

But thanks.
If it came from the factory as an SBR, it does not require engraving. That is not the case with you. You will be "manufacturing" the SBR. There actually are people who claim it still doesn't require engraving, and that is not a game worth playing. Get it engraved.
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If it came from the factory as an SBR, it does not require engraving. That is not the case with you. You will be "manufacturing" the SBR. There actually are people who claim it still doesn't require engraving, and that is not a game worth playing. Get it engraved.
I agree. Thanks. I understand the idea. I was simply confused by the comment from the OWNER of the gunshop. Seems horribly irresponsible of him.
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Is this true: I’ve always heard that if you have it engraved before approval you can have anyone engrave it without you present. Once it’s approved you need to be present since it is a registered NFA item. Or a Class 3/SOT can do it. Is that right?
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Any engravers in the houston area??
http://www.laseredgeengraving.com/

That's the guy that did one of mine, he's out of Spring in Gleanloch Farms unless he moved within the past 18 months or so.
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That's the guy that did one of mine, he's out of Spring in Gleanloch Farms unless he moved within the past 18 months or so.
He has moved.
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Is this true: I’ve always heard that if you have it engraved before approval you can have anyone engrave it without you present. Once it’s approved you need to be present since it is a registered NFA item. Or a Class 3/SOT can do it. Is that right?
I was told that you do it that way so that if the lower gets destroyed or lost in the process you are only out the cost of the lower.

After you have submitted the paperwork, if the lower was destroyed or lost.....the SN on that lower is what is coming back on the tax stamp and can't be changed. So now you have to start over and explain how the previous item was lost/damaged.
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Bro..... Everyone knows the day you get the form 1 back you immediately go to the range and go Full Operator with the new SBR


He's just saying the anticipation on having a approved form 1 but then having to engrave it and wait longer sucksssssss even if it's only a week or 2 long.
Some of us have no patience haha
Oh you wait till it’s sngraved once the stamp is back?
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If I knew the answer to my question, I wouldn't be asking it "dude". Chill out.



But thanks.


What he’s trying to say is, it Stag in your case didn’t build the complete rifle as an SBR, then it has to be filed on an F1 and engraved by you.

If the rifle was built built as a complete SBR rifle, then you do not have to engrave.

I’m still a little unclear about exactly
How you purchased it. It sounds like based on what you said in the quote above, is that you bought a complete lower and a separate short barreled complete upper and assembled them (or the shop owner did) then that would require an F1 and engraving.


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So here is a question for you guys......

I’ve got a factory Daniel Defense SBR in 300 Blackout. I didn’t have to get it engraved. What if I decide I want to buy a MK18 upper in 556 and want to swap out occasionally and put it on that lower.......am I manufacturing a new rifle? If so, what happens if I shoot out the barrel on the original factory upper? Does it qualify as “manufacturing” when I put a new barrel on the upper? Do I have to file again at that point?


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So here is a question for you guys......

I’ve got a factory Daniel Defense SBR in 300 Blackout. I didn’t have to get it engraved. What if I decide I want to buy a MK18 upper in 556 and want to swap out occasionally and put it on that lower.......am I manufacturing a new rifle? If so, what happens if I shoot out the barrel on the original factory upper? Does it qualify as “manufacturing” when I put a new barrel on the upper? Do I have to file again at that point?


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You can legally swap out uppers and replace the barrel.


Yep. That’s considered a temporary change.


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Lower is the sbr, that's the only part that needs to have serial number.

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