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Originally posted by Playa View PostUnder Texas law local districts can vote on bonds for athletics, but cannot vote on a bond for improving security, specifically if those funds would pay a person such as a security officer.
We have to keep things a level playing field per school finance laws, except athletics.The logic is the state controls funding of basic needs so no school or district has disproportionate funds, more simply so wealthy areas do not have an advantage over low income districts.
You want things to change, that is where it needs to happen. Districts should have the latitude to fund security and non-educator staffing for security purposes
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It's kinda sad this suject isn't getting more attention. I'm praying no one else has to go through a school shooting. You cannot even fathom what comes with one of these tragedies. No one is equipped to handle this stuff. It affects you in ways you can't even imagine. Only by the grace of God am I able to move forward each day.
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Hoggslayer,
I thought about you yesterday. They are building a new middle school down the road from my house. During construction they had an 8' privacy fence all the way around the school. Well yesterday I noticed they were removing it as the school is almost done and the permanent fence was 3 or 4 ft tall. Odd to me they protect it more when it is just protecting the construction assets/materials, but less protected when full of kids.
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Originally posted by Sticks&Strings View PostHoggslayer,
I thought about you yesterday. They are building a new middle school down the road from my house. During construction they had an 8' privacy fence all the way around the school. Well yesterday I noticed they were removing it as the school is almost done and the permanent fence was 3 or 4 ft tall. Odd to me they protect it more when it is just protecting the construction assets/materials, but less protected when full of kids.
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Don't worry though because schools are going the way of airports trying to cover their rears. They will be doing all sorts of stupid, time and money wasting ID checks, sign ins, bullet proof glass at the front office etc.. in order to look like they are protecting kids.
And to skip ahead and answer the next question. No, I don't think those things would stop any shooter. Just like all the airport checking, double checking, triple checking, frisking grandma, not allowing shampoo in bags etc is going to stop a terrorist from shooting people at an airport.
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Originally posted by glen View PostTim when was the last terrorist shooting at an airport in the US? All these measures will help and stop someone. Kinda like putting a cable on a Yeti in the bed of your truck. It will stop a percentage of thieves from stealing it
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Originally posted by RiverRat1 View PostWe should all agree we already pay too much in taxes to the ISD's
The public needs to demand they reform schools and stop wasting or stealing money and spend it wiser.
Personally I don't think spending millions or billions at schools will make the kids any safer. Shooters will find the loophole. And beside that there's not much evidence that shootings have increased per capita. It just feels that way because the media blows everything up instantly no matter where in the world it happens.
I will agree that if/when money is spent on safety it should come from athletics or money squandered elsewhere. Definitely not from new bonds or raised taxes. We don't need to be like the liberals that always say "it's about the children" I mean it is but there is (wether you like it or not) a limit/value on life.
According to the version that I read of the Santa Fe shooting, at least 3 officers on scene confronted the shooter or engaged him in gunfire. Several other officers arrived within four minutes.
Columbine which started it all, an officer on campus engaged Klebold and Harris in gunfire soon after it started.
Virginia Tech had an entire police force on campus in what was the deadliest school shooting with 32 victims.
Douglas High School in FL this year, officers on scene ... although the officer that might have been able to engage the shooter failed to enter the school.
It is virtually impossible to stop a determined attacker with time on his side.
Unless a shooter is stopped before the point of attack with some kind of intervention lije a tip or psychiatric, all that can be done is to lessen the casualties, in my opinion. Having officers on scene including at VT with their own PD didn’t deter any of these mass casualty shootings.
At Sandy Hook the doors were locked.... so the shooter started by shooting the glass and entered anyway.
I am not saying to not prepare. Cops on campus and locked doors won’t stop a shooter however and get ready if there is more than one like at Columbine or Westside Middle School in Arkansas where an 11 year old and 13 year old shot 15 people...... as they were leaving the school, killing 5.
I am not sure how playing on natural grass and watching from aluminum bleacher seats would have stopped any of those attacks.
I am going to an active shooter training day in a couple of weeks and I think it will be my fourth such training. I will be at a high school with 2-3 officers always on campus. Be that as it may, I fully expect to respond to the school which has a safety plan and officers on scene. Why? Because all of our preparations won’t stop a dedicated attacker.
Train, fortify doors, have officers on campus, arm teachers, drill teachers in their response and so on. I am all for it. Changing lifestyles and going to less sporting events won’t change anything.
Again, in my opinion.
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Originally posted by tvc184 View PostUnfortunately and getting away from emotions, you are correct.
According to the version that I read of the Santa Fe shooting, at least 3 officers on scene confronted the shooter or engaged him in gunfire. Several other officers arrived within four minutes.
Columbine which started it all, an officer on campus engaged Klebold and Harris in gunfire soon after it started.
Virginia Tech had an entire police force on campus in what was the deadliest school shooting with 32 victims.
Douglas High School in FL this year, officers on scene ... although the officer that might have been able to engage the shooter failed to enter the school.
It is virtually impossible to stop a determined attacker with time on his side.
Unless a shooter is stopped before the point of attack with some kind of intervention lije a tip or psychiatric, all that can be done is to lessen the casualties, in my opinion. Having officers on scene including at VT with their own PD didn’t deter any of these mass casualty shootings.
At Sandy Hook the doors were locked.... so the shooter started by shooting the glass and entered anyway.
I am not saying to not prepare. Cops on campus and locked doors won’t stop a shooter however and get ready if there is more than one like at Columbine or Westside Middle School in Arkansas where an 11 year old and 13 year old shot 15 people...... as they were leaving the school, killing 5.
I am not sure how playing on natural grass and watching from aluminum bleacher seats would have stopped any of those attacks.
I am going to an active shooter training day in a couple of weeks and I think it will be my fourth such training. I will be at a high school with 2-3 officers always on campus. Be that as it may, I fully expect to respond to the school which has a safety plan and officers on scene. Why? Because all of our preparations won’t stop a dedicated attacker.
Train, fortify doors, have officers on campus, arm teachers, drill teachers in their response and so on. I am all for it. Changing lifestyles and going to less sporting events won’t change anything.
Again, in my opinion.
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Originally posted by RiverRat1 View PostFencing has about zero percent to do with protection. Anyone can drive up, park, and walk in the front door because it's public.
Don't worry though because schools are going the way of airports trying to cover their rears. They will be doing all sorts of stupid, time and money wasting ID checks, sign ins, bullet proof glass at the front office etc.. in order to look like they are protecting kids.
And to skip ahead and answer the next question. No, I don't think those things would stop any shooter. Just like all the airport checking, double checking, triple checking, frisking grandma, not allowing shampoo in bags etc is going to stop a terrorist from shooting people at an airport.
We put fences around everything we want to keep people out of, and for the most part, they work, but wont work at a school?
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My brother (masters from MIT) has been in Germany the past several weeks working with nanotechnology that they are designing specifically for campus security...it takes “Big Brother is watching” to a whole other level but would be an incredible tool if they can make it affordable. I don’t know a ton of the details at this point in time but I do know some very, very smart people are working very hard to help this epidemic we have found ourselves in.
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Yeh.. funny.. if perimeter fences and security are not an effective measure, explain what exactly the basic fundamental design of a prison is.
He just likes playing a consummate devils advocate 100% of the time to every ****ing topic .. he cant really be this ****in inept at rational thought...
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