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Old 02-19-2018, 08:40 AM   #1
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Watching Mr. Middleton's video (nice video btw) where he took out the 8 point 3 1/2 yr old and he made reference to the management plan for his place.

Curious for you that have a management plan has it made a difference? I have not stayed on a lease long enough to really incorporate any kind plan for more then a season or 2.

Is the protein, cotton seed, culling of does, bucks etc really working out for you and your group? Does it work only when the ENTIRE group is on board? or can you be the self one and still have better, bigger deer?

Fill me in. Oh and BTW.................I am in no way poking at Michael's deer. Looking at it I may have passed on it only because he was a bit young. But I can also understand it was a 8 at 3 1/2 and probably not going to be more then that.
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Takes years and the county needs to be on the same page.....
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Old 02-19-2018, 08:48 AM   #3
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Takes years and the county needs to be on the same page.....
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Any supplemental feeder works! Adding protein pellets, cottonseed, etc. helps the deer without a doubt. It provides them with added nutrition they don't get naturally. The culling of animals as per of a management program can also work well. This really isn't an issue if deer management works or not. The are many places in Texas that have proven results.
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Any supplemental feeder works! Adding protein pellets, cottonseed, etc. helps the deer without a doubt. It provides them with added nutrition they don't get naturally. The culling of animals as part of a management program can also work well. This really isn't an issue if deer management works or not. The are many places in Texas that have proven results.

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As far as where I hunt in Eldorado, I added cottonseed, protein, rice bran, mineral blocks, and a water station in my hunting areas. Over the last two years I've seen an increase in deer numbers. The highest scoring deer on our place was shot by my wife this season. We both killed bucks that were about 25-30 lbs heavier than bucks where killed in prior seasons. I hope this is a result from the work that I've put in to help the deer herd.
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Our place is under a management plan brought in by a game biologist, (Ruben Cantu) out of San Angelo. Most wildlife guys and gals from Texas Parks and Wildlife will tell you not to put out supplemental feed but we do by having free range protein and cotton seed. That's why we went with a game biologist that didn't have ties to TPW. Some of the guys will say they have a program but that program might being good for the hunters ad not for the deer herd. It took us at least 5 years to see the difference in our program. The first thing we noticed was the deer weights coming up, and now we are seeing the antlers getting better and a better balance of deer age groups. We took a 170" buck this year and that bucks weight was at 210 lbs live weight. That not bad for our area of Ft. McKavett. Deer herd management is not about killing its about taking the right deer each year, and balancing the protein feed.
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Old 02-19-2018, 09:25 AM   #7
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"Culling" does not work unless you're behind a high fence, and even then it takes years to see results. You can't shift the evolutional curve with outside influence on your herd. There's been tons of studies done on the subject, and they all came up with the same conclusion... basically you're killing a deer and that's about it. My mgmt plan is to feed the heck out of them, let e'm grow and see what happens hoping some of the genetically superior deer will make it. And yes it works, just takes lots of money and patience.
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Old 02-19-2018, 09:26 AM   #8
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Our management plan is focused on two things. Providing the highest level nutritional plane we can, and letting the deer get old. We don’t consider taking male mouths out of the herd until 5.5, trophies are harvested at 7.5 and we try to take older does. Culling isn’t nearly as important as age and nutrition IMO. If you have those two ingredients, then culling is another step. But in the words of a wise man on this board “know your herd” before trying to cull.

Our culling is not to remove inferior genetics, it is to reduce months on the property. In turn, with less competition comes less stress, which should lead to maximum antler expression for the bucks we are interested in.
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"Culling" does not work unless you're behind a high fence, and even then it takes years to see results. You can't shift the evolutional curve with outside influence on your herd. There's been tons of studies done on the subject, and they all came up with the same conclusion... basically you're killing a deer and that's about it. My mgmt plan is to feed the heck out of them, let e'm grow and see what happens hoping some of the genetically superior deer will make it. And yes it works, just takes lots of money and patience.
Mexico sure knows how to grow them, has some Muey Grandes on his place!!!
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"Culling" does not work unless you're behind a high fence, and even then it takes years to see results. You can't shift the evolutional curve with outside influence on your herd. There's been tons of studies done on the subject, and they all came up with the same conclusion... basically you're killing a deer and that's about it. My mgmt plan is to feed the heck out of them, let e'm grow and see what happens hoping some of the genetically superior deer will make it. And yes it works, just takes lots of money and patience.

Culling DOES work to remove the mouths of live deer with less than ideal antler traits and does so that your better deer can have access to the property's food supply. That helps in your "feed the heck out of them" category...
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Culling DOES work to remove the mouths of live deer with less than ideal antler traits and does so that your better deer can have access to the property's food supply. That helps in your "feed the heck out of them" category...
That would be population control, genetic culling does absolutely nothing in a low fence environment. You don't have to believe me do a little research.
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Old 02-19-2018, 09:43 AM   #12
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We manage our place to have a good time for our members and their families and try to kill some good deer for our area. We remove mouths of less than desirable deer and let the younger deer with what we view as good antler traits, get some more age on them. Some of us supplemental feed and provide water at 7 out of 14 feedpens and some cannot afford to or chose not to. We kill some good deer every year and for the most part folks are happy.....so yes our specific management plan is working..





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Old 02-19-2018, 09:45 AM   #13
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That would be population control, genetic culling does absolutely nothing in a low fence environment. You don't have to believe me do a little research.
You are hooked up on semantics.....culling is killing.....and we cull to remove mouths once they reach a certain age. I never said anything about genetics and have read the "studies" years ago..

Besides genetics talk by non-biologists or non-deer farmers is just campfire fodder anyway.



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Old 02-19-2018, 09:46 AM   #14
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Culling is just one part of the management plan....you need to first see how deer you have on your property, along with age groups. Getting the numbers to where you want them is the first priority. We strive for 1 deer to 15 acres. 20 acres would be better still. Letting the bucks age before they are taken out of the herd is the next step. You need to teach your hunters to age deer!
Culling out the genetics that you don't want breeding the herd. Taking out excess does is also there....too many things need to happen first before you get to far ahead and say you are managing the deer herd.
The most important part is knowing your deer herd, knowing the deer per acres, knowing your buck to doe ratio, and your habitat of the property, and let the bucks grow old!
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Old 02-19-2018, 10:03 AM   #15
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That would be population control, genetic culling does absolutely nothing in a low fence environment. You don't have to believe me do a little research.
I am with you on this , the only way to achieve trophy bucks is AGE
Feed the crud out of the deer and lying off the trigger
Culling only takes out potential trophy bucks ,
IMO some bucks grow in waves, doing better some years and worse others
Some most buck pop with proper age , culling potentially removes great deer before maximum possible potentiality
There are some exceptions but most are obvious exceptions
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Old 02-19-2018, 10:35 AM   #16
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Im in East tx and hunting small low or no fence properties. years ago we felt that if we didnt shoot a deer ,someone else would. the only sure thing about that was that the deer got shot. along comes trail cameras and we learn that most deer that made 3 years old would survive until the next year. We created sanctuaries for safety and started adding nutrition..

Virtually every deer we kill at 7 years old now is a deer we have known and passed before. Our average buck is much better than 45 years ago. Large properties are totally different but it is certainly possible to have a management plan that works on very small properties. Age, security, nutrition
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Old 02-19-2018, 10:45 AM   #17
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I am on a 3,100 acre East Texas timber property that is under MLD. The bucks have to be trophy at a minimum of 4.5 yrs old, or a cull of the same age. Spikes can be taken at 3.5 yrs old. This past year there were only 12 doe tags issued, and that is based on the Over hunting that occurred a few years back. Buck quality is there, but the majority were only seen on trail cams at night. Out of twelve members on the lease only ONE buck was harvested and it scored 160". Live weight was around 200 lbs, and a dressed weight of approx. 160. management DOES work, but everyone MUST be on board and follow the feeding and harvest program.
This was my first year on the lease and I am not sure if I will be back on it or not. I enjoy the location and the ability to get away, but the 3.5 hour drive gets a little long when you only get about 1 day off work a week. There are Numerous Quality Trophy Bucks on the place, but it really is a matter of being in the Right Place at the Right Time..
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Old 02-19-2018, 11:04 AM   #18
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"Culling" does not work unless you're behind a high fence, and even then it takes years to see results. You can't shift the evolutional curve with outside influence on your herd. There's been tons of studies done on the subject, and they all came up with the same conclusion... basically you're killing a deer and that's about it. My mgmt plan is to feed the heck out of them, let e'm grow and see what happens hoping some of the genetically superior deer will make it. And yes it works, just takes lots of money and patience.
I agree with this. Although sometimes calling something a cull or management buck is just about having a different category for a buck. A deer that isn't going to be shoulder mounted in you living room, but he reached an age where it is unlikely he will get much better, but he is not a true top end buck for the area/ranch.

People seem to get fired up about debating this. To me it won't hurt anything to let an "inferior" buck walk and see what he does next year. At the same time over the years I have seen that some (actually a lot) deer just never blow up like you hope. Sometimes they get smaller. You just never know what they will do. At the end of the day feed the deer as much as you can, let the young bucks walk. Be patient, the neighbors can't kill them all .....but sometimes deer just die on their own too.

But to answer the original posts question, yes following a management plan "works". Letting bucks get the age on them is the key.
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Im in East tx and hunting small low or no fence properties. years ago we felt that if we didnt shoot a deer ,someone else would. the only sure thing about that was that the deer got shot. along comes trail cameras and we learn that most deer that made 3 years old would survive until the next year. We created sanctuaries for safety and started adding nutrition..

Virtually every deer we kill at 7 years old now is a deer we have known and passed before. Our average buck is much better than 45 years ago. Large properties are totally different but it is certainly possible to have a management plan that works on very small properties. Age, security, nutrition
100% agree with this where I hunt in East Texas
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Old 02-19-2018, 11:09 AM   #20
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Culling DOES work to remove the mouths of live deer with less than ideal antler traits and does so that your better deer can have access to the property's food supply. That helps in your "feed the heck out of them" category...
Truth, our biologist said we have to many deer per acre and some need to go.
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Old 02-19-2018, 11:26 AM   #21
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I think the word "culling" is over used and misunderstood. Regardless of low or high fence it will be difficult to remove all of a particular genetic trait especially on larger acreage. Having "control" certainly helps but won't completely negate your results. There is no one size fits all and years will vary on trophy size as well as inferior characteristics with what your plan needs to be.

I think each place has to have its own plan based on all the factors of the property. I do agree on some aspects that have been mentioned here however. Age being number one. Getting as many bucks to maturity is critical. The adage of once an 8 always an 8 doesn't always apply. Deer are affected by range conditions at all times regardless of supplemental feeding. It can also be traced back to their first year. Nutrition is also critical.

And "culling" will have a place and an impact in all plans.

If whatever your plan is and if it is improving the herd stay with it.
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As far as where I hunt in Eldorado, I added cottonseed, protein, rice bran, mineral blocks, and a water station in my hunting areas. Over the last two years I've seen an increase in deer numbers. The highest scoring deer on our place was shot by my wife this season. We both killed bucks that were about 25-30 lbs heavier than bucks where killed in prior seasons. I hope this is a result from the work that I've put in to help the deer herd.
This right here. Our main points of emphasis are population control, age, and nutrition. I took out a hyper aggressive 1.5 year old buck this past season that weighed as much as some of the 3.5 year olds we took a couple of years ago. All of our deer have put on some serious weight these last couple of years and the increased antler growth is starting to show. Of course, we’re still over populated but I don’t expect to ever get under carrying capacity when none of the neighbors shoot does. We’ve also got the only year round water on our place in about a half mile and are the only ones who feed protein in that same area; add in some thick cover and we’ve become one of those sanctuary areas that Gar Guy swears by, and they work.
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Old 02-19-2018, 12:44 PM   #23
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I manage a couple properties, one in La. and one deep down south along the Rio Grande.
The principles are simple:

Focus as much attention to nutrition as budget will allow...then a bit more. Both supplemental feed as well as habitat management are valuable.

Allow as many bucks as possible to age as old as possible. We remove nothing before 4.Then we do remove some of the lessor quality bucks to manage population with no pretense that it effects the overall genetics of the herd.

Balance the b/d ratio and ensure enough does for high recruitment.

In La. we start shooting trophies at 6 and down south 7 or preferably 8 and older. Age is always your friend.

Having done this for over 20 years in both locations, body weights have improved significantly and antler quality has improved dramatically both on average as well as the top end. Our 'culls' seem to excite everyone that gets to hunt them.
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Below is something I posted in 2011 to a question asked of me regarding my North Bosque River grounds, and I still live by the same plan and yes it seems to work for this specific piece of ground......

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Rwc....Nice pics and good looking deer !

It appears you're providing supplemental feeds. May I ask , what free choice foods/protein are you feeding and how long have you been involved in your mgnt. program ?


The only supplemental feeds I provide are in the form of seasonal food plots. The North Bosque River Basin provides most of the browse needed for the deer herd to sub-stain a healthy body weight around my grounds. We do our very best to keep the deer numbers in check and I think that helps allot also. This year I have not been able to pump a little water out of the river to irrigate a couple of small spring / summer plots do to the drought. I will tell you that I did try supplementing feeding / protein feed for an entire year, twice. Never could get deer to become interested in eating the protein. And I did try all the tricks, along with trying three different types. They nibbled on it in late January and February both those years but that was about it.

I feed a corn / maze / wheat mixture out of the gravity feeders, more as a filler / attractant than anything else and the deer around my grounds seem to love it. I do pour a couple bags of Purina mineral lick in a low spot each year, and at times the deer make a heck of a whole digging around in it.
I have been involved in managing this ground since the mid 1990's. The three things I work at the hardest, as for as managing my place is: First, I try to get along with my neighbors and share deer data hoping this keeps them aware of my interest in growing mature deer. Second, I try and kill all my does the state allows, plus invite a few friends to help kill does if I see that I have more does eating at feeders than bucks. Third, and most of all, I try not to kill any bucks until they are 4.5 are older no matter there horn characteristics. I firmly believe that no matter how hard we as hunters try to manage horn characteristics by selective harvest, there are too many variables that make it impossible to do on free ranging and or high fence grounds.

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We manage our place to have a good time for our members and their families and try to kill some good deer for our area. We remove mouths of less than desirable deer and let the younger deer with what we view as good antler traits, get some more age on them. Some of us supplemental feed and provide water at 7 out of 14 feedpens and some cannot afford to or chose not to. We kill some good deer every year and for the most part folks are happy.....so yes our specific management plan is working..





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With what you have stated Jason and you did not specify this in the above answer. Would you say that out of the 14 members on your lease 7 or 50% of the group are shooting bigger, better bucks, does? Where as the other 7 are not??

I am curious. I will be on a lease with 5 others. They do NOT supplement feed but corn feed year round. If I kick it up a notch would I possibly shoot better deer?
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Truth, our biologist said we have to many deer per acre and some need to go.
Really? where do you hunt??
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Really? where do you hunt??
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Watching Mr. Middleton's video (nice video btw) where he took out the 8 point 3 1/2 yr old and he made reference to the management plan for his place.

Curious for you that have a management plan has it made a difference? I have not stayed on a lease long enough to really incorporate any kind plan for more then a season or 2.

Is the protein, cotton seed, culling of does, bucks etc really working out for you and your group? Does it work only when the ENTIRE group is on board? or can you be the self one and still have better, bigger deer?

Fill me in. Oh and BTW.................I am in no way poking at Michael's deer. Looking at it I may have passed on it only because he was a bit young. But I can also understand it was a 8 at 3 1/2 and probably not going to be more then that.
The biggest key in management is letting them grow, without this one key, none of the other ones will work.

So yes, our management plan is working
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Culling DOES work to remove the mouths of live deer with less than ideal antler traits and does so that your better deer can have access to the property's food supply. That helps in your "feed the heck out of them" category...
Smart, doe yall "cull" does also or just bucks?
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Old 02-19-2018, 03:01 PM   #30
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I think ours is working. Weren't allowed to kill fallow or sika for 2 years and I've been seeing some nice numbers on camera this year. Hopefully I get to whack a fallow this year.
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Smart, doe yall "cull" does also or just bucks?


Do you? Based on what criteria?

We have a rule that if you shoot a buck you must shoot a doe.
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Old 02-19-2018, 03:34 PM   #32
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Were a low fence property. These are the main goals we try to use Age, Nutrition, Habitat Management. We don’t cull bucks since were low fence and we never shoot a spike. We do try to remove as many does as we can every year. Trying to get the numbers in line. We have seen major improvements in the10 years we started doing this.
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Old 02-19-2018, 03:39 PM   #33
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That would be population control, genetic culling does absolutely nothing in a low fence environment. You don't have to believe me do a little research.
I have done it on our place and we do cull(reduce numbers) whatever you want to call it, but we have proof that some of the inferior traits don't exist anymore. Antler size, etc.

To make a blanket statement that it does absolutely nothing is just wrong. Maybe on your place but not on ours.
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I think our management plan is working. Are we where we want to be and completely satisfied? Absolutely not. But we sure are having fun trying. Our deer herd as a whole is getting better as we start our 5th year, so I know we are on the right track. I've concluded with all the feeding that we are doing (The most that we can afford without getting too crazy), my goal is to keep increasing body weights on our deer for each age class. If we can do that, I think the antlers will eventually come with it. Either way, my deer lease members are having fun doing it and it has been a TEAM effort.
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Old 02-19-2018, 03:53 PM   #35
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According to CKWRI, after 10 years it might make a 10%-20% difference. Best case. Throw in small acreage and low fence and the numbers go down.
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Old 02-19-2018, 03:56 PM   #36
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That would be population control, genetic culling does absolutely nothing in a low fence environment. You don't have to believe me do a little research.
"Absolutely nothing" would definitely be an exaggeration.

I guess genetics just don't play a role? lol

You cant have it both ways. Genetics either play a role or they don't. Saying that taking out lessor genetics does "absolutely nothing" to the gene pool is pretty near sighted. Sure we don't control the influx of new genetics but taking out genetics you don't want will have some impact. Whether or not you think the impact is negligible or not is irrelevant.
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Old 02-19-2018, 03:59 PM   #37
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With what you have stated Jason and you did not specify this in the above answer. Would you say that out of the 14 members on your lease 7 or 50% of the group are shooting bigger, better bucks, does? Where as the other 7 are not??

I am curious. I will be on a lease with 5 others. They do NOT supplement feed but corn feed year round. If I kick it up a notch would I possibly shoot better deer?

Our deer move all over for a good part of the year (especially during rut ,of course but even during the offseason)so trying to keep up with something like that would be futile. We do have some homebodies (my avatar buck being a good example) but it is nothing for the same deer to be seen at 5-6 different feedpens throughout the season and we are pretty spread out.

I will say that the folks that do feed something extra and have water at their pens seem to be a tad bit more successful in filling their "trophy" lease tag. That being said the biggest buck on the place could get killed by a July-January only corn feeder too. But we are not on a "we measure the success of our hunt by the inch" mgmt plan like some on here. We just do the basics so that we can have some good deer and have a good time.
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Old 02-19-2018, 04:01 PM   #38
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Smart, doe yall "cull" does also or just bucks?

Yes....We cull, kill, whack, zip, stick, smoke, manage 'em out and/or let the air out of does but we absolutely do not "harvest" them....

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Old 02-19-2018, 05:20 PM   #39
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Yes....We cull, kill, whack, zip, stick, smoke, manage 'em out and/or let the air out of does but we absolutely do not "harvest" them....
That should just about cover it.
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Old 02-19-2018, 10:47 PM   #40
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I have done it on our place and we do cull(reduce numbers) whatever you want to call it, but we have proof that some of the inferior traits don't exist anymore. Antler size, etc.

To make a blanket statement that it does absolutely nothing is just wrong. Maybe on your place but not on ours.
I somewhat agree. The "absolutely nothing" phrasing regarding culling on low fence properties is a little too restrictive imo. For example, if a property has an over abundance of deer exhibiting an inferior trait of no brow tines, doesn't it make sense to cull as many of those deer so there aren't as many breeding. Will it make a huge difference...not earth shattering no. But there will obviously not be as many offspring from the bucks exhibiting the undesirable inferior trait of no brows. So to say that it does absolutely nothing is not exactly correct. Regardless of the size or type of property, any management plan takes years to be successful.
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Old 02-20-2018, 08:58 AM   #41
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I know mine plan doesn't work. 10 acres of food plots, supplemental protein feeding, good water and no legal bucks for the last 12 years.
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Old 02-20-2018, 09:13 AM   #42
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I somewhat agree. The "absolutely nothing" phrasing regarding culling on low fence properties is a little too restrictive imo. For example, if a property has an over abundance of deer exhibiting an inferior trait of no brow tines, doesn't it make sense to cull as many of those deer so there aren't as many breeding. Will it make a huge difference...not earth shattering no. But there will obviously not be as many offspring from the bucks exhibiting the undesirable inferior trait of no brows. So to say that it does absolutely nothing is not exactly correct. Regardless of the size or type of property, any management plan takes years to be successful.
agreed! funny you say no brow tines that is one trait we do not see anymore and several years back we decided that all had to go, I haven't seen one in a long time. We are 300 acres low fenced.

In the past 3 years we have shot a 182" a 143" and several 130" deer
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Old 02-20-2018, 09:14 AM   #43
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I know mine plan doesn't work. 10 acres of food plots, supplemental protein feeding, good water and no legal bucks for the last 12 years.
Where you are at has ALOT do with any plan or expectations.
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Old 02-20-2018, 10:20 AM   #44
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Why does no one make reference to frame size when these culling threads get started? Who cares if a buck doesn’t have brow tines if his frame is significantly larger than others in his cohort?

We have quite a bit of surrounding pressure and relatively small acreage, so we don’t “cull” anything younger than 4 1/2 and let our trophies reach 5 1/2. We manage for numbers of bucks, knowing that a majority of them will never see 5 1/2 due to surrounding pressure. A less desirable 4 1/2 year old cull shot by a neighbor is one less tag he can use on a nice 3 1/2 year old. The more bucks we can recruit to maturity, the more pressure we can take off our nicer 3 1/2 year olds, and the greater our chances are of a few nice ones slipping through the cracks and reaching 5 1/2.

Feed and water will keep them around in the summer. All bets are off when the rut kicks in. A significant portion of our good deer are never seen again after thanksgiving weekend, but we do get some decent newcomers each year that help replace some of the losses of bucks we had on camera all summer.

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Old 02-20-2018, 10:28 AM   #45
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Why does no one make reference to frame size when these culling threads get started? Who cares if a buck doesn’t have brow tines if his frame is significantly larger than others in his cohort?

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I don't make reference to it in my posts but that is certainly the #1 common sense characteristic in what we look for in favorable antler traits for deer that get a pass at age 4. It's probably not referenced much because it is what gets 95% of deer a pass.....maybe even 98% with the 2% coming from kickers, drops, oversized brows, non-typical stuff etc..
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Old 02-20-2018, 10:34 AM   #46
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On our club we try to practice management but have some members more concerned with managing the levels in their freezers. We have issues but stunted deer from over population aint one of them.
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Old 02-20-2018, 10:38 AM   #47
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With all being said about Management plans, the best plan is one that you stick to and give it time that is needed. As with many management plans it sometimes gets thrown out the door in a short time frame by shooting the wrong deer. You need a written plan, everyone to agree to it, and make it last.
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Old 02-20-2018, 10:57 AM   #48
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If you could do only one thing, I would let them get old. If I could do two I would let them get old and feed them during the off season. Without age you are shorting yourself if you are looking for big deer.

Age- #1
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With Age and good food the genetics will show themselves to you.
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Old 02-20-2018, 11:12 AM   #49
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Yes....We cull, kill, whack, zip, stick, smoke, manage 'em out and/or let the air out of does but we absolutely do not "harvest" them....
This made me laugh.....
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Old 02-20-2018, 11:18 AM   #50
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Yes....We cull, kill, whack, zip, stick, smoke, manage 'em out and/or let the air out of does but we absolutely do not "harvest" them....
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