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Old 05-09-2017, 09:30 AM   #1
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Default Lets talk cedar arrows.

I took a look at my arrow bin yesterday and it's getting rather thin. I've been shooting like crazy for something like 10 months now and I've broken many of my carbon shafts. Yes I know it's stupidly easy to just buy more shafts and put together a dozen in an afternoon but I'd like to try something more traditional. Ergo- Cedar shafting.

I've read/watched Youtube/etc on how to straighten them, stain them, seal them, crest them if desired, fletch etc. Other than being much more time consuming than carbons it seems pretty straight forward. I read folks saying "there's nothing like shooting cedar". Sounds nice so I want to try it.

My question is this and it stems from having chosen the wrong carbon shafts initially. I went off the 3rivers Arrow Chart to figure out which shafts to start with and it's a tad confusing. Looking to go 190 grains up front with a 45lb recurve, 29" DL, arrow cut to 31.5 (yes I know that's long but if you watch me draw you'll know why I like them that long) points to an 85-90 spine arrow. That seems like it'd be too stiff. Heck with the above plugged in for my 60lb bow I'd have to get a 95-100 spine. I'm going with the adage of shoot the heaviest bow you can comfortably with the heaviest arrow you can shoot accurately. So I guess what I'm asking is with the above information do I go with the listed shafts on the 3rivers chart or is there a differing recommendation from you folks that shoot cedar on a regular basis?

Keep in mind that with my new tech school starting in a month and a 90% chance that Uncle Sam will send me out of state for the first three years I'll probably not start messing with cedar for at least six months. I do however believe in starting the research early.

As always advice is appreciated.

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Old 05-09-2017, 10:01 AM   #2
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You really need to buy a spine test set of arrows to get the right one. I love cedar arrows as well. They are fun to build and shoot. Here is a set Of cedar flu flus I made this weekend:




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Old 05-09-2017, 10:28 AM   #3
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Default Lets talk cedar arrows.

I have the same setup as you: 45 lbs with 29inch draw. I use 55-60 spine with 125grains up front, cut to 30 inches, it flies perfect, but I would still recommend the spine test kit


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Old 05-09-2017, 10:33 AM   #4
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I have the same setup as you: 45 lbs with 29inch draw. I use 55-60 spine with 125grains up front, cut to 30 inches, it flies perfect, but I would still recommend the spine test kit


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Do you happen to know the total weight of your arrows? I'm curious how heavy cedar is.

Thanks for the advice!

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Old 05-09-2017, 10:39 AM   #5
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Other than being much more time consuming than carbons it seems pretty straight forward.
If you have learned nothing from the last 10 months... you should have learned that nothing is as straight forward as it seems.
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Old 05-09-2017, 10:50 AM   #6
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I guess that shoulder and elbow are feeling better.

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Old 05-09-2017, 10:55 AM   #7
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If you have learned nothing from the last 10 months... you should have learned that nothing is as straight forward as it seems.
Yeah when I say "straight forward" in the context of traditional archery I figured you'd at least be able to understand what I meant.

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Better yes, 100% not yet. Shooting is still limited but I'm back in the gym working on getting there.

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Old 05-09-2017, 10:55 AM   #8
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X2 on the spine test kit. Not terribly expensive either. Don't know what it is about the POC's but I just really love shooting them.
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Old 05-09-2017, 11:13 AM   #9
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Old 05-09-2017, 11:27 AM   #10
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Do you happen to know the total weight of your arrows? I'm curious how heavy cedar is.



Thanks for the advice!



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No I don't have a way to weigh them


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Old 05-09-2017, 01:30 PM   #11
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Old 05-09-2017, 10:14 PM   #12
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If you want to build them yourself I suggest you get your shafts from: http://wapitiarcherypoc.com
Derek has some great step-by-step videos for building arrows starting here: https://youtu.be/lrGf0WOqNBs
If you want to buy a set I would talk to Jeffro at 10 Again Arrows: https://www.facebook.com/JEFFRONEETZ/
I would do a test kit as others have suggested.

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Old 05-09-2017, 10:22 PM   #13
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Spine, weight, blah-blah-blah, none of is that is as important (not seriously, I'm am being faceciuos you know) as the smell, nothing says traditional as much as the smell of poc. You break a carbon and you just destroyed a few bucks, break a poc arrow, get the pieces to smell it makes you feel better.
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Old 05-10-2017, 09:50 AM   #14
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45-50 spine arrows will come in close 400 grains in port or ford cedar. That's shaft weight. Then add point weight to adjust your spine. If your draw weight is 50# at your draw get you some 50-55 spine arrrows from terry at nocking point. Don't waste your money on shafts or spine testing arrows from three rivers . They are very good for most everything but not wood arrows. I suggest spending the money for a spine tester. Ace makes a good one. Also get you a piece of granite about 1'x3' and a shaft tamer to straighten the shafts. Your local granite cabinet top man has scraps usualy for free. That's the short story. Wood arrows are as good as any carbon shaft if done properly no matter how many Bisch burns up. arvin
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Old 05-10-2017, 11:44 AM   #15
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45-50 spine arrows will come in close 400 grains in port or ford cedar. That's shaft weight. Then add point weight to adjust your spine. If your draw weight is 50# at your draw get you some 50-55 spine arrrows from terry at nocking point. Don't waste your money on shafts or spine testing arrows from three rivers . They are very good for most everything but not wood arrows. I suggest spending the money for a spine tester. Ace makes a good one. Also get you a piece of granite about 1'x3' and a shaft tamer to straighten the shafts. Your local granite cabinet top man has scraps usualy for free. That's the short story. Wood arrows are as good as any carbon shaft if done properly no matter how many Bisch burns up. arvin
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Old 05-10-2017, 08:55 PM   #16
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Give Terry a call From " The Nocking point " he will help you out on what you need. Spend the extra 10.00 on some premium tapper shafts they will save you a lot of headaches on tunning.
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