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Old 04-27-2017, 12:11 PM   #1
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Didn't want t hijack another thread and thought this topic deserves its own thread. I think term limits are something that most Americans could see as being a good thing. But I don't see our politicians voting themselves out of a job.

What are some ideas/options out there that could make this a reality? Is it just a pipe dream or is there really a chance it will ever happen?
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Old 04-27-2017, 12:14 PM   #2
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We have term limits. It's our vote. Unfortunately we don't use it and keep re-electing the same corrupt politicians over and over.

What is the definition of insanity....
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Term limits would fix so many things. If I was POTUS id start an 18 month campaign on congressional term limits. Get the people riled up and demanding them. Then publicly in a joint session of congress with as much media present as possible and plenty of press beforehand demand they vote to allow a referendum vote on the next federal election to let the people decide.

That way they can tell the American people, screw you, we are in charge.


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The only way I see it happening is grandfathering the current ones in and then applying the limits to newly elected offices. I wouldn't be opposed to putting age limits as well. Once you hit 75 you finish out the your term and have to retire.
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Term limits would fix so many things. If I was POTUS id start an 18 month campaign on congressional term limits. Get the people riled up and demanding them. Then publicly in a joint session of congress with as much media present as possible and plenty of press beforehand demand they vote to allow a referendum vote on the next federal election to let the people decide.

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Well played right there!
Like another poster noted WE CAN VOTE THEM OUT! When I noted that to a policy wonk type of guy in DC I know he said point blank. "Nobody thinks their CONGRESSman is the **** problem!"
As long as they say good stuff and bring home some loose change to the district the American voter will never say their guy must go after a few terms. Just a SAD DEAL honestly!
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Well played right there!
Like another poster noted WE CAN VOTE THEM OUT! When I noted that to a policy wonk type of guy in DC I know he said point blank. "Nobody thinks their CONGRESSman is the **** problem!"
As long as they say good stuff and bring home some loose change to the district the American voter will never say their guy must go after a few terms. Just a SAD DEAL honestly!
I know my Congressman is part of the problem and has been for years, I think he's yours too.
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I know my Congressman is part of the problem and has been for years, I think he's yours too.
Kevin Brady has my area, the district is oddly shaped at best! He and Trump are tight lately. I was wondering if something went down because he used to be quite quiet. I will be in DC in two weeks and hope to meet with him. Brady had serious competition this last election from Repubs wanting him out.
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I fail to see how term limits will change anything. It will just cycle through a new set of idiots more frequently. Reelection is the only real measure of control the voters have. If a newly elected politician knows they will be termed out regardless of their performance, they won't care much about their constituency.

Would you want the good one's termed out also? Chaffetz, Trey Gowdy, Grassley?
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Old 04-27-2017, 03:47 PM   #9
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I fail to see how term limits will change anything. It will just cycle through a new set of idiots more frequently. Reelection is the only real measure of control the voters have. If a newly elected politician knows they will be termed out regardless of their performance, they won't care much about their constituency.

Would you want the good one's termed out also? Chaffetz, Trey Gowdy, Grassley?
What we need to do is go back to the Senate being selected by the state legislators.
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Old 04-27-2017, 03:53 PM   #10
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I fail to see how term limits will change anything. It will just cycle through a new set of idiots more frequently. Reelection is the only real measure of control the voters have. If a newly elected politician knows they will be termed out regardless of their performance, they won't care much about their constituency.

Would you want the good one's termed out also? Chaffetz, Trey Gowdy, Grassley?
The way I see it now, congressman do what is right for themselves and not necessarily their constituents. It is human nature to want to keep that cushy job. I think they justify it to themselves thinking they can do what is best for the folks back home. When in reality, none of them are willing to stand up and take on the tough issues that need to be dealt with. Social security, medicare, welfare reform, immigration, etc... Nothing gets done on these tough issues because it is political suicide to rock the boat. So they just kick the can down the road. If it wasn't a nearly guaranteed cush job for life, I believe a lot more would get accomplished. If a congressman was on their last or only term, they would be more apt to try and do what is good for their people and not themselves. Once in there they are hardly ever voted out. Like LR already mentioned Nobody thinks their congressman is the problem. That is the reality and it is not going to change. We can either try and change the system or live with it. I think a change is needed.
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The way I see it now, congressman do what is right for themselves and not necessarily their constituents. It is human nature to want to keep that cushy job. I think they justify it to themselves thinking they can do what is best for the folks back home. When in reality, none of them are willing to stand up and take on the tough issues that need to be dealt with. Social security, medicare, welfare reform, immigration, etc... Nothing gets done on these tough issues because it is political suicide to rock the boat. So they just kick the can down the road. If it wasn't a nearly guaranteed cush job for life, I believe a lot more would get accomplished. If a congressman was on their last or only term, they would be more apt to try and do what is good for their people and not themselves. Once in there they are hardly ever voted out. Like LR already mentioned Nobody thinks their congressman is the problem. That is the reality and it is not going to change. We can either try and change the system or live with it. I think a change is needed.
Right. They do whats in the best interest of their long term career.
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Old 04-27-2017, 03:59 PM   #12
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I think the only chance of getting it done is through the article V convention of states. Joe Strauss is blocking that from moving forward here in Texas.
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Old 04-27-2017, 04:08 PM   #13
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I fail to see how term limits will change anything. It will just cycle through a new set of idiots more frequently. Reelection is the only real measure of control the voters have. If a newly elected politician knows they will be termed out regardless of their performance, they won't care much about their constituency.

Would you want the good one's termed out also? Chaffetz, Trey Gowdy, Grassley?
They are awesome and will excel else where too. DA's, DOJ's, etc.

You get voted in on a platform and dont perform on it, you will lose the next election, deliver on what you promise and get out after a few terms (wiser men than me can speak on how many terms). This will draw people who want to help, and kick them out before they get fat and happy. Its when they stay in for 50 years they loose sight and think, "how am i going to retire" that pork flows. The system is really broken and needs bigger checks on their power.
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An age limit might be a better solution.
A significant number in Congress are in their late 70's and 80's. Way past their sell-by date in my opinion. 65 years should be a reasonable age limit.
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Old 04-27-2017, 06:03 PM   #15
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Never going to happen
Those in power are not going to change
The rules that give them that power, just like the average welfare recipients will continue to vote for folks they know will keep sending those checks
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Kevin Brady has my area, the district is oddly shaped at best! He and Trump are tight lately. I was wondering if something went down because he used to be quite quiet. I will be in DC in two weeks and hope to meet with him. Brady had serious competition this last election from Repubs wanting him out.


His son and my daughter were in the same class several times in Elementary school. He lives in my neighborhood. Met him multiple times and have been in his office on business. He's pure establishment and wont do much for you if you cant do much for him.


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I fail to see how term limits will change anything. It will just cycle through a new set of idiots more frequently. Reelection is the only real measure of control the voters have. If a newly elected politician knows they will be termed out regardless of their performance, they won't care much about their constituency.

Would you want the good one's termed out also? Chaffetz, Trey Gowdy, Grassley?
perfect.....then those type of citizens wont seek the positon......as it was intended in 1780.
The good ones will do just fine in other roles as listed below (because they are good in what they do) or more importantly go back to there home districts and build your community. Not MY tax dollar responsibility to give them pensions, healthcare, etc for a lifetime because you ran for an office.
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They are awesome and will excel else where too. DA's, DOJ's, etc.

You get voted in on a platform and dont perform on it, you will lose the next election, deliver on what you promise and get out after a few terms (wiser men than me can speak on how many terms). This will draw people who want to help, and kick them out before they get fat and happy. Its when they stay in for 50 years they loose sight and think, "how am i going to retire" that pork flows. The system is really broken and needs bigger checks on their power.
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An age limit might be a better solution.
A significant number in Congress are in their late 70's and 80's. Way past their sell-by date in my opinion. 65 years should be a reasonable age limit.
I don't care what age they start or leave, but when your TERM is done bye bye........as it was in the beginning they need to understand they are "serving" their constituents & the nation. Age and wisdom are not a bad trait, but stagnation is a disease! Building a career off our tax dollars is insanity at best. SERVICE is important to the fabric of our republic......serve and move on!
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His son and my daughter were in the same class several times in Elementary school. He lives in my neighborhood. Met him multiple times and have been in his office on business. He's pure establishment and wont do much for you if you cant do much for him.


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Humm I love it, you are EXTREMELY perceptive sir!!!
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Term limits are an ideal situation. Neck is correct. We keep voting the same way and expect them to willingly vote themselves out. When they don't, we vote for them anyway. Looks like we're getting what most of us ask for.

I have John Carter as my Congressman. For 95% of the time, he's been okay. Then, he votes for every line of Obama's 4 trillion dollar budget. He lost my vote but he won re-election in a landslide. How does that happen, you ask?? My fellow voters are worthless citizens. He had quality competition but people are SO FREAKIN' LAZY they won't spend 20 minutes on their phone to research a candidate. They read a familiar name and they push that button. That crap needs to stop and term limits will fix half of it. They other half can't be helped.
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wont do much for you if you cant do much for him.
Sounds like just about every politician...
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Didn't want t hijack another thread and thought this topic deserves its own thread. I think term limits are something that most Americans could see as being a good thing. But I don't see our politicians voting themselves out of a job.

What are some ideas/options out there that could make this a reality? Is it just a pipe dream or is there really a chance it will ever happen?
Well, the first step would be to never vote for someone that is currently in office now. Put all new people in that run on the platform of establishing term limits..

Since the '50s these politicians have had it made, they started voting their own vacations and pay raises in and then gave the power of deploying troops away and it took all liability out of their hands. Now they just get richer and richer and they don't take the blame for anything.

If I ever run, my platform will run on term limits, the removal of any kind of war powers act, a deduction of pay (probably down to 90K a year), make the pay an hourly wage where the representative must clock in (overtime is not extra pay, not paying for someone to filibuster and discus BS all night), and last but not least, all elected officials (excluding the president) must use the VA healthcare system (but pay for it, not get it free like us vets get).


























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Well played right there!
Like another poster noted WE CAN VOTE THEM OUT! When I noted that to a policy wonk type of guy in DC I know he said point blank. "Nobody thinks their CONGRESSman is the **** problem!"
As long as they say good stuff and bring home some loose change to the district the American voter will never say their guy must go after a few terms. Just a SAD DEAL honestly!
I don't know...my congressman is Sheila Jackson Lee and I know that she is a problem





and yes I put congressman on purpose
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What we need to do is go back to the Senate being selected by the state legislators.
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I don't know...my congressman is Sheila Jackson Lee and I know that she is a problem





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Well, the first step would be to never vote for someone that is currently in office now. Put all new people in that run on the platform of establishing term limits..

Since the '50s these politicians have had it made, they started voting their own vacations and pay raises in and then gave the power of deploying troops away and it took all liability out of their hands. Now they just get richer and richer and they don't take the blame for anything.

If I ever run, my platform will run on term limits, the removal of any kind of war powers act, a deduction of pay (probably down to 90K a year), make the pay an hourly wage where the representative must clock in (overtime is not extra pay, not paying for someone to filibuster and discus BS all night), and last but not least, all elected officials (excluding the president) must use the VA healthcare system (but pay for it, not get it free like us vets get






















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Throw in random drug testing and tell me where to send the money!!!
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Term limits and they should have to keep a real job. They shouldnt be making 200k a year for "public service". Kick it back to colonial days when they didnt get paid.

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Term limits and they should have to keep a real job. They shouldnt be making 200k a year for "public service". Kick it back to colonial days when they didnt get paid.

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They don't make 200k......they make 175k
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They don't make 200k......they make 175k
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They don't make 200k......they make 175k
Y'all are both wrong. They are paid a salary of 175k per year.

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Add: Salary from job as a "consultant" that requires never actually performing anything for the companies that hire you after you get out of congress (you already did what they needed you to when you were still in Congress )
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