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Old 04-19-2017, 06:08 PM   #1
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Default First attempt at a three shot trad group...

Well guys and gals, I am coming to join you.... Been wanting to shoot trad for a while and finally purchased a bow from a TBH brother a few months back... I had attempted a few shots but never tried to shoot a group. Just trying to get started had been very intimidating and arrows seemed to be flying everywhere accept where I was hoping they would go...

Fast forward to today: saw a thread speaking of an instructional YouTube video " The Push". After watching the video, I tried a few shots that got me on target. Here is a pic of the results from a 15 yd 3 shot group... I am very excited to say the least but know it's going to be a lot of hard work to get to were I will be comfortable hunting... Let the fun began.

Not sure why the pic is upside down and I was aiming for the middle of the circle but I am ecstatic that I basically duplicated three shots that hit in the same area...
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The hook is set . . .

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Old 04-19-2017, 07:12 PM   #3
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Cant your bow a little bit more. Great group. Welcome to the Fun side

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That's a great group!! Stick with it, it takes a ton of practice but the first time you watch those feather disappear through an animal you'll understand why trad hunters love it so much.
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Watch out - you are flirting with getting hooked on this stuff!
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That's a great group!! Stick with it, it takes a ton of practice but the first time you watch those feather disappear through an animal you'll understand why trad hunters love it so much.
Maybe but I love it when it happens with training wheels too!

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Old 04-19-2017, 07:54 PM   #7
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Thanks fellas! At this time I am just trying to develop decent and consistent form. Building up the strength to hold the bow at anchor is challenging and I will need to improve on that.

I wanted to end the practice seccion on a good note so I put the bow away after the group. I plan to just keep shooting without too much emphasis on arrow impact but really try to remain consistant and hope to keep groups close. Any and all advice is highly appreciated.
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That's a good move. It helps me feel more confident starting the next days shoot.

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Old 04-19-2017, 08:59 PM   #9
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When I shoot a good group I have fun. I make the mistake of going too far and get tired. Nice shooting, sir!
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Old 04-19-2017, 09:30 PM   #10
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That is a great group Pedernal!! I grew up in Del Rio and visit quite regularly with family. We will have to get together and do a little arrow flinging next time I am down. I believe its Amistad archery still has a monthly shoot, may have to get together at one of them. Before long you will not even want to shoot anything else. Keep up the good work.
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Old 04-20-2017, 03:01 AM   #11
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That's a great group, and now you're hooked.
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Old 04-20-2017, 09:12 AM   #12
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Good group sir. Pigthumper is right on point. Sometimes when you are really shooting well, you want to keep it up and push too long. Don't push it, get tired, and start reinforcing bad habits. I shoot pretty much every day. If I get out and shoot a great group right off the bat, I generally stop and put my gear up. Try to end your session on a positive note like that grouping in your photo.
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Old 04-20-2017, 09:45 AM   #13
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Awesome group! Happy hunting!
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Looks like a dang good group
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Oh yeah!!! Great job!
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Thanks fellas! At this time I am just trying to develop decent and consistent form. Building up the strength to hold the bow at anchor is challenging and I will need to improve on that.

I wanted to end the practice seccion on a good note so I put the bow away after the group. I plan to just keep shooting without too much emphasis on arrow impact but really try to remain consistant and hope to keep groups close. Any and all advice is highly appreciated.
One piece of advice, post pics of your bow. Just because we like looking at bows.
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One piece of advice, post pics of your bow. Just because we like looking at bows.
Will do tomorrow...
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Great job. Now that you are "Hooked", Mortgage the House, sell a Kidney and Cash out your 401K because it is going to get expensive.
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Here are the pics of the bow.
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Great looking bow!!
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Here is a group from today's shooting... Not as tight as before but still on target. At this point I am just trying to stay consistent and build strength. I tried a group from 30 yds and put two on the bag and one was three feet off but luckily still on the horse mat. Any advice on building up strength while still keeping decent form would be greatly appreciated. And just for info, I am a left handed shooter just in case someone wants to add additional advice on why my shots appear to be mainly going left...
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Still not bad!! You're doing good!! You'll build strength the more you shoot. It's amazing how it seems like you use a completely different set of muscles shooting a trad bow instead of a compound. I'd just stay close (10 yards or so), and shoot paying close attention to your form. When you get tired, just stop.
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Shoot closer than that. Build form close. Close you can reasonably hit close to where you want to hit and not worry so much on that as you do form and follow through. I shoot ten yards and less a lot. Especially if I have a day where I'm struggling at longer ranges.

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Group from today at 15 yds which is what I will be sticking to for the most part... It's just too fun not to fling arrows from other distances
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In the beginning it is hard to work on form from 10-15 yards. You are too busy aiming. I know it might not be "fun" to shoot at 5 yards or less, but this trad thing is a game of patience. For the rest of your life, it will be a game of patience.

At 5 yards or less, you will be able to just stare at the target and work on form and proper release. Work on your draw cycle. You stance, posture, anchor, clean release, follow through. These things are so much easier to do when you don't think about making adjustments for aim.

After a while, take a few steps back and keep working on it.

If you want to keep it fun do this. Take a small paper pie plate (say something 5" in diameter. Start off at 5 yards. When you can go 5 for 5... take a step back. If you can't do 5 of 5, step closer.
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The 5 yards thing was tough for me but it only took a few days until 7 yards, 8 then 10. 12 to 25 took a while. Right now twenty is Getting better but that's after 6 months of shooting all the time.

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Welcome to the addiction.
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Ok so my shoulder/back is getting stronger and I can shoot a bit more. Now my fingers are starting to feel a bit sore at the tips. Do I just need to work through this until the finger tips develop a callus??? Or should I just shoot a bit less??
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I eased off. Shorter sessions but a couple a day.

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Ok so my shoulder/back is getting stronger and I can shoot a bit more. Now my fingers are starting to feel a bit sore at the tips. Do I just need to work through this until the finger tips develop a callus??? Or should I just shoot a bit less??
Your fingertips shouldn't hurt. You should be using a tab or glove and hooking the string at the first knuckle. You do not hold the string by your fingertips. If you do have the deep hook and the string is getting the tips, you should get a better glove/tab.

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My fingers get sore still sometimes. Especially those 100 arrow days. And I've got a good glove.

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But not like blister sore. Just tender. Or maybe sensitive is a better word.

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I eased off. Shorter sessions but a couple a day.

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Your fingertips shouldn't hurt. You should be using a tab or glove and hooking the string at the first knuckle. You do not hold the string by your fingertips. If you do have the deep hook and the string is getting the tips, you should get a better glove/tab.

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My fingers get sore still sometimes. Especially those 100 arrow days. And I've got a good glove.

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But not like blister sore. Just tender. Or maybe sensitive is a better word.

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I guess my fingers are sensitive as well

I have not been drawing by using the first knuckle/bend. I have been pulling the string a little bit forward of the first knuckle/bend. I will adjust tomorrow and see how it goes. Thanks for the input felllas

As most of you warned me about, I am addicted to shooting the bow. It sure is fun
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I use the first knuckle. After you figure out a smooth release that way you'll group better.

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As a fellow lefty, you are doing a great job!! Welcome to our addiction....
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well, I applied the advice as to using fist knuckle as the place where the string is gripped. Here are my observations:

1) it made drawing the bow significantly easier, big plus.

2) it changed my anchor point. initially I have issues as it changed "site" picture and caused me to revisit inconsistency big time. This morning I might have stumbled on a reproducible anchor point that gets my eye directly over the arrow. Big plus IMHO

Here is a pic from a three shot group after I dicoovered said anchor point. I understand I have a lot of work to do before I am consistent and also realize it's going to take some time. I like the fact it's not easy and I think it's fun thinkering with my form. The quest of becoming a decent & consistent archer with a trad bow is mucho fun

As usual, your thoughts and advice are highly appreciated
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A deep hook is good form and allows for a cleaner and more consistent release. But it takes time to undo an older habbit, so stick with it. Some non aiming, blank bale type drills will help you get used to it pretty quickly.

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Well after a few weeks on the side lines I broke out the bow yesterday. Been very busy at work and started lifting weights so time has been reduced. I am happy too say that after struggling for two days I finally got back at least to where I left off. At first, I struggled to hit my anchor point so my shots were all over place. I finally found the spot that is not only comfortable but gives me a good sight picture.

Additionally, with a bit of added strength, I am now able to hold the bow back without struggling on the last practice shots when shooting multiple arrows. I have a long, long way to go but I am happy with the progress and plan on practicing until I can consistently hit my marks.
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Nice. He'll have two new bows by this time next year along with an arrow saw, bitzenberger, and a warchest of incidentals associated with the addiction.
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Well fellas I went out and took some shots. Here is what I have in a three shot group. First group of the day no warm up at 22-23 yds. Not sure why my pics turn side ways
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Here is a second group of three. I am really exited that some of the groups are starting to tighten up. As the strength to hold at full draw has improved so has the grouping of arrows.
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That's a long way with a traditional bow.

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It's the distance I started shooting at after watching a video on here(will look for it and post a link) that someone posted... Prior to that, I had tried 5 & 10 yd shots and I was all over the place including off the bag target all together at 5 yds with some shots... I put the bow down for a few weeks and stumbled on to the video... Everything I shoot is around that distance now... I know most if not all have advised against that distance but it's where I feel comfortable. I know I still have a mountain to climb but I think if I can replicate my anchor point and sight picture I will tighten up the groups...
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I watched part of that video myself. I don't believe he was saying that is the distance that you should practice at only. I believe what was said is that is the point blank aiming distance of most bows when shot 3-under. And actually that's going to be in a bowl in a certain range of poundage and arrow weight. The Gap aiming method doesn't mean you only shoot at that point blank range. That just helps you determine how low or how high you aim above that point when you are closer or further away. I may be wrong but for me it was tough to get my group size down at close range and now I'm working on Long rain. And that's a 8 month work of practicing almost daily.

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I hear what you are saying and I kind of understood it like you that bows are going to have a certain point blank aim-point. I believe I found it on this bow; take that for what is worth as I have no experiance. I just seem to have less to worry about at that distance for some reason. I still need to gain a lot more strength and my release is not very fluid or consistent. I will work on both and plan on practicing at closer distances as I can get a more consistent release.
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Well move up to ten yards, use your same anchor and release. Just aim 5 or 6 inches lower on the target.

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