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Old 09-17-2010, 05:59 AM   #1
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Is canting a part of proper form, or is it all just personal preference like split vs 3 under? Last night I shot a dozen, half with and half without canting. The six I shot with about 30 degrees of cant grouped better and in the bullseye. I did so well that I backed up 5 yards beyong where I normally shoot and sunk another 4 into the bullseye.

I'm going to try again tonight to see if it really did improve my shooting or if last night was a fluke.
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Fred Bear said it was okay....
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Old 09-17-2010, 06:54 AM   #3
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I think it is just personal preferance. I've seen folks shoot both ways. I have also heard it explained that by canting the bow some it opens up the sighting picture in hunting situations.
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Old 09-17-2010, 07:08 AM   #4
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Canting is proper form when shooting the Howard Hill style like Arvin and I do. I sent you a pm a while ago, did you get it?
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Old 09-17-2010, 07:21 AM   #5
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Yep, we do shoot that way.
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Old 09-17-2010, 07:47 AM   #6
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Not only does cantng open up the sight window and provides better form (IMHO), it also will not allow the arrow to fall off the rest before the shot.

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I have to cant. Keeps the upper limb from hitting the top of the ground blind and the bottom limb from slapping the ground. All this from sitting on a stool.
Sometimes more cant than others. Depends on how drunk I am
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Deb, sorry! I didn't even realize I had a pm. Thank you. I will try to make it out there.
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Old 09-17-2010, 08:10 AM   #9
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Canting is just fine. The main thing though, is to cant the same every time. You have to develop a memory so that your body "remembers" where and how to hold the bow. As, muzzlebrake said above, there are situations that make you change your cant but you need experience to keep that from changing your shot.

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Txpitdog, you have another pm
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Old 09-17-2010, 08:13 AM   #11
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In my case i started by immitating Howard Hill. As a young boy i saw Mr Hill putting on a shooting exibition for us little snods. He never missed as i recall. He sparked my interest in archery and the rest is history. (NO!,... I MISS OFTEN)

If you shoot with sights you have no other choice but to shoot straight up, where canting will lend itself better for hunting, specially when hunting out of confined areas, just as muzzlebrake suggests. Plus you sight picture along with your depth perception will increase considerably as other have stated.

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Old 09-17-2010, 08:38 AM   #12
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If canting while tuning, do you read fletched vs bare shaft the same way? Put another way....if I shoot vertical and my bare shaft shows weak spine (hitting right) would the same shot canted hit right on the same horizontal plane or would it hit low right?
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I could be wrong, but I read it the same.
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Old 09-17-2010, 09:26 AM   #14
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If canting while tuning, do you read fletched vs bare shaft the same way? Put another way....if I shoot vertical and my bare shaft shows weak spine (hitting right) would the same shot canted hit right on the same horizontal plane or would it hit low right?
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Old 09-17-2010, 09:30 AM   #15
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Key to it from what little I know is to be consistant, and not necessarily just consistant with the angle of cant in relation to the ground, but the angle of cant in relation to your back, shoulders, & arms. First time I shot a round of 3ds with my recurve, I shot with a local shop owner - he really opened my eyes - we did a little drill shooting standing, then crouched, then kneeling, then on both knees as close to the ground as we could get. In the process he helped me correct form at each stance. Really cool exercise - the cant in relation to the ground changed at each position for clearance, but if doing it right, the angles in relation to your body stayed the same.
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Old 09-17-2010, 09:44 AM   #16
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I cant because it opens the sight picture and allows me to keep the arrow on the shelf/rest. It also helps me shoot from the blind!
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Old 09-17-2010, 10:20 AM   #17
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I cant at the one o'clock position when I'm standing, sitting or kneeling.
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Old 09-17-2010, 10:23 AM   #18
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I shoot almost straight up/down and it works for me but I can also shoot with cant. I think its personal opinion. I will say alot of folks I see that cant shorten their draw. I would recommend shooters to do whats best for them
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Old 09-17-2010, 10:32 AM   #19
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If canting while tuning, do you read fletched vs bare shaft the same way? Put another way....if I shoot vertical and my bare shaft shows weak spine (hitting right) would the same shot canted hit right on the same horizontal plane or would it hit low right?
Good question.

My answer - Low right.

Looks like I disagree with some others.
Probably nothing new about that.


My take on it - Your bare shaft tuning should always be taken into consideration of a 90 degree angle to the string, and strike plate, so yes - if you cant the bow the perspective changes.
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Old 09-17-2010, 10:35 AM   #20
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great point Rick, I agree
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Old 09-17-2010, 10:58 AM   #21
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Good question.

My answer - Low right.

Looks like I disagree with some others.
Probably nothing new about that.


My take on it - Your bare shaft tuning should always be taken into consideration of a 90 degree angle to the string, and strike plate, so yes - if you cant the bow the perspective changes.

That's the way I see it as well (in my mind). Doesn't the flexing of the shaft (paradox ?) directly corrolate to the angle of the string/riser wall for finger shooters?

PS. Javi, I'm really close to having my arrows rigged correctly. They are currently at about 28.25 " with a 175 head. Does this sound about right (#45@ 28" drawing about 26")? Thanks again for all the help.
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Doesn't the flexing of the shaft (paradox ?) directly corrolate to the angle of the string/riser wall for finger shooters?
Yep.
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Old 09-17-2010, 11:22 AM   #23
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What ever feels comfortable...

In the words of my buddy Keith Bain 12 time world champion:

" Just do the same thang ever time "
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Old 09-17-2010, 11:49 AM   #24
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I pretty much shoot with the bow straight up and down. Maybe just a slight cant
I have tried canting but my sight picture gets all jacked up
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Old 09-17-2010, 12:10 PM   #25
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I cant because i can.
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Old 09-19-2010, 08:59 PM   #26
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That's a good one.
I personally cant because I cant, not because I can!!!!!! Besides that, nobody is gonna tell me that I can't.
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Old 09-19-2010, 10:50 PM   #27
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For me, the farther I cant, the farther left I shoot. When I shoot laying on the ground, I have to aim about 4" right at 15 yds. I usually cant about 30%.
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Old 09-20-2010, 01:08 AM   #28
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It takes some "see what works best" practice and shooting.
For me.....canting puts the arrow under my shooting eye, So left and right hit are marginal. My left eye is going bad so I'm constantly having to make sure I'm not overcompensating for it.

But then again I shoot with the bow flat while laying on the ground.
It just takes practice to see what works for you. Shooting bow straight up and down for me will not work.
Same with split finger or three under.. see what works better for you.
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Old 04-30-2017, 05:45 PM   #29
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Shot 60 arrows canted today. Slight can't allows two fingers on face with my anchor. Also had a lot few flyers side to side at 20 and further. Strung some up and down.

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Old 05-02-2017, 02:44 PM   #30
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I've seen pros go both ways. Seems most gapers are straight up and down. I see most of them on top at tourneys . Not always. Yes it gives you a better sight picture. When shooting down you need to can't a bit more. Least that's me. But I am 100 points behind the hot shots. Arvin
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Old 05-02-2017, 08:44 PM   #31
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I cant my bow. There's a big debate on leatherwall right now about it and bending over. I can't shoot vertical. I like to see everything.
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Old 05-02-2017, 08:49 PM   #32
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I can't for the above reasons and for me it prevents them purdy purple puffy spots from showing up on my forearm.
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Old 05-02-2017, 09:17 PM   #33
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I shoot straight up and down, helps me be more consistent, help judge gaps and release more fluidly

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Old 05-02-2017, 09:28 PM   #34
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I'm still working it. I'm liking it in a way. Although my left right variance has shrunk I'm stringing up and down some. Overall grouping is better and I seem to have more dead on shots, arrows touching and anchor seems more solid. It's still early.

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Old 05-02-2017, 10:05 PM   #35
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DRT, I am still working on the "figuring it out" part. LOL
Most of the time I do intentionally cant to some degree, not much, and it seems to help me get my anchor, but straight up and down allows me to have much better back tension.
-I developed a bad habit of drawing off my arms early on, and still tend to do it, Regardless of bow weight.
To me canting or not is a personal feel, but one way or the other, you have to follow your own form fully.
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Old 05-03-2017, 06:50 AM   #36
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I've noticed that as well.

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I'm glad this topic came up. I'm really finding improvement in my shooting. Not that my cant is exaggerated or anything but doing it makes things simpler. Went out to shoot before work. Sat down in my chair at 20 yards and popped the bull. Quit right then and went to work. Shot about 36 arrows while cooking dinner, having a satisfactory shoot from 25 yards and in. Had to sign up my troop for summer camp next. Just went back out and shot an 8 arrow round in the dark at 12 yards. Barely make out the center of the target. I just seem to shoot to where I look so much better.


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I knew the two out were bad shots when I released.

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Old 05-10-2017, 11:29 PM   #39
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Good shootin DRT!

TXPitdog...Ive been taught by my bowyer that arrow spine testing needs to be done with bow vertical. Since we are all Texas Bow Hunters...canting is necessary and is to be practiced not ignored...IMO.
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Old 05-11-2017, 10:00 AM   #40
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Canting has been shown to improve accuracy.
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