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Old 04-13-2017, 06:48 AM   #651
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Airline protocol and civil liberties have absolutely nothing to do with each other. The constitution mentions nothing about the right to fly. Nice try though.


So it's a states right ? Lol...

The feds are pushing their way around in the world of aviation when the Constitution doesn't even mention it
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Old 04-13-2017, 06:51 AM   #652
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Some of those Meme's had me in tears. Voted #1 is Chinese take-out was a hoot.
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Old 04-13-2017, 06:53 AM   #653
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Here is the timeline in the news and that the majority of people state to include the airlines not disputing.



https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.a55ccbf5c1b5



"Many passengers" not sure where you are getting this from.


Thank God for Twitter & cell phones.

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Old 04-13-2017, 07:27 AM   #654
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Man I would of made the people removing him work for it. Go ragdoll with all 300 pounds of me haha. Their overbooking is crap in my opinion. Personally I don't fly anymore due to all the horse crap you have to jump through after 9/11. I flew one time and I had to take off my belt and shoes which just seemed dumb as heck. Now with xrays or pat downs they can kiss my azz. I'll drive if at all possible!

Mark my words though, United will pay big time for this though in numerous ways.
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Old 04-13-2017, 07:35 AM   #655
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I can't believe this thread is still going....
The story keeps unfolding...

CEO admitted fault...now the airline is refunding all the passengers airfare. Now theres a new video of the guy talking on the phone to the airline trying to figure out why hes being removed (which is supposed to be in writing legally) and they yank him out.

Best part is, he threatens to sue them if they trying to physically remove him...guess what....now he is

oh, and I dont know why but that elitist attitude from RodinaRanc is annoying and I love when he gets proved wrong.

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Old 04-13-2017, 08:02 AM   #656
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I still don't see how it's legal to change their prices from one minute to the next. I deal with contractors and no one would ever get away with that type of business model.

They are just too big for their britches. Whadarugonnado...
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I still don't see how it's legal to change their prices from one minute to the next. I deal with contractors and no one would ever get away with that type of business model.

They are just too big for their britches. Whadarugonnado...
That's the free market. Don't like it don't fly. It's that simple
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Old 04-13-2017, 09:27 AM   #658
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well just because they dont doesnt mean they dont have the legal obligation. Just because you have traveled for 20 years mean you are right. And...heres the proof

https://www.transportation.gov/airconsumer/fly-rights
You missed the part where i said there is documentation but i have never seen it utilized huh? Did you find someone who has been given the documentation or just the documentation itself?
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Interesting development on this, now it seems that fine print 'bumping clause' doesn't apply to already boarded passengers and may have been illegally enacted. Might turn out to have been the poor guys lucky day after all. Hope 'pilots wife' husband doesn't work for UA, she may become 'unemployed pilots wife'.
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This right here proves you wrong. If UAL did nothing wrong, they wouldn't accept fault.
That proves nothing... it's a PR move crafted by attorneys and publicists as damage control in the face of public outcry, which has NOTHING to do with contractual obligations but the whims of the Twitter-obsessed, and a lawsuit.
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Old 04-13-2017, 10:33 AM   #661
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Specifics? You've done NOTHING BUT speak in loose terms on a subject your grossly uninformed in, yet you freel credible & want to be heard...lol

Why would UAL pay him...they did nothing to violate their end of the deal?? All that would do is open up flood gates for every unsatisfied customer to throw a tantrum & get paid...lol
You keep bringing up the customer violating the contract that they should have known about. Who knows the airline's procedures better, the airline or the customer?

The airline's end of the deal was apparently this:

DOT requires each airline to give all passengers who are bumped involuntarily a written statement describing their rights and explaining how the carrier decides who gets on an oversold flight and who doesn't. Those travelers who don't get to fly are frequently entitled to denied boarding compensation in the form of a check or cash. The amount depends on the price of their ticket and the length of the delay:

Now tell us again who is to blame here. Should the airline not be held to this standard because YOU have never seen it happen???
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Folks: Maybe tone down things. Lots of interesting ideas and opinions shared on this situation; hate to see things devolve and go away. Some maybe need to agree to disagree as J Sweet stated earlier.

BTW: Fixin to be a press conference with Doc's lawyers
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At the very least , this is a PR nightmare. We have had the same thing with police videos where you get 20 seconds to decide who's at fault. Social media has really gotten out of hand in that regard.
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You keep bringing up the customer violating the contract that they should have known about. Who knows the airline's procedures better, the airline or the customer?

The airline's end of the deal was apparently this:

DOT requires each airline to give all passengers who are bumped involuntarily a written statement describing their rights and explaining how the carrier decides who gets on an oversold flight and who doesn't. Those travelers who don't get to fly are frequently entitled to denied boarding compensation in the form of a check or cash. The amount depends on the price of their ticket and the length of the delay:

Now tell us again who is to blame here. Should the airline not be held to this standard because YOU have never seen it happen???
Kind of hard to give someone a written notice when they are running back on the plane, or getting drug down the isle, don't ya think?
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Folks: Maybe tone down things. Lots of interesting ideas and opinions shared on this situation; hate to see things devolve and go away. Some maybe need to agree to disagree as J Sweet stated earlier.

BTW: Fixin to be a press conference with Doc's lawyers
I'll take this as good advice .
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Kind of hard to give someone a written notice when they are running back on the plane, or getting drug down the isle, don't ya think?
I believe the protocol is to give the written notice at the gate prior to boarding. As far as I know there is not a protocol to de-board a paying customer (to bump them for employees). Because it is not supposed to happen.

Where do you get the info that he is running back and forth between the gate and the plane? The video(s) I saw shows him talking calmly on his phone and calmly telling the security folks that he is not giving up his seat....then he gets skull dragged....then he comes from somewhere running back onto the plane all bloodied. I guess there may be some other timeline that makes sense but I haven't seen it yet.
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I believe the protocol is to give the written notice at the gate prior to boarding. As far as I know there is not a protocol to de-board a paying customer (to bump them for employees). Because it is not supposed to happen.

Where do you get the info that he is running back and forth between the gate and the plane? The video(s) I saw shows him talking calmly on his phone and calmly telling the security folks that he is not giving up his seat....then he gets skull dragged....then he comes from somewhere running back onto the plane all bloodied. I guess there may be some other timeline that makes sense but I haven't seen it yet.
The video being shown was just the confrontation.
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The video being shown was just the confrontation.
I saw a video on fox news last night showing them talking to the guy....before the drag. He was sitting in his seat telling them he wasn't going to leave. Was filmed by the passenger in the seat behind him. You may have already seen this too, but it was the first I had seen of that angle.

Also, where are you getting your info that he was running back and forth from plane to gate like a crazy man?
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You keep bringing up the customer violating the contract that they should have known about. Who knows the airline's procedures better, the airline or the customer?

The airline's end of the deal was apparently this:

DOT requires each airline to give all passengers who are bumped involuntarily a written statement describing their rights and explaining how the carrier decides who gets on an oversold flight and who doesn't. Those travelers who don't get to fly are frequently entitled to denied boarding compensation in the form of a check or cash. The amount depends on the price of their ticket and the length of the delay:

Now tell us again who is to blame here. Should the airline not be held to this standard because YOU have never seen it happen???

It's called being a informed comsumer....no diff than buying a $70k truck & weld in a gooseneck w/o disconnecting batts 1st...you fry the electronics...ford's fault?
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At the very least , this is a PR nightmare. We have had the same thing with police videos where you get 20 seconds to decide who's at fault. Social media has really gotten out of hand in that regard.
We finally agree....regardless of what caused the seating constraint...UAL should have taken the time to reconcile the passenger manifest prior to boarding & none of this would he an issue.....but b/c they didn't doesn't mean they're legally liable ...

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It's called being a informed comsumer....no diff than buying a $70k truck & weld in a gooseneck w/o disconnecting batts 1st...you fry the electronics...ford's fault?
You did not answer one of my questions to you. You bring up some strange tangent about purchasing a product and accidentally causing damage to it yourself. That is actually a lot different than purchasing a plane ticket, boarding the plane, sitting in your seat, and expecting to arrive back home in a few hours. Then being dragged out of the plane.....and the airline not following THEIR procedures.

If you don't mind, please look back and answer the other questions.
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I saw a video on fox news last night showing them talking to the guy....before the drag. He was sitting in his seat telling them he wasn't going to leave. Was filmed by the passenger in the seat behind him. You may have already seen this too, but it was the first I had seen of that angle.

Also, where are you getting your info that he was running back and forth from plane to gate like a crazy man?
Right. Now ask yourself a question. WHY were there people videoing, WHEN they were videoing? Because he was simply saying I'm not moving? I'm pretty sure there is more to this story than what the media is showing. Imagine that!? Sensationalism comes to mind.
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Tread lightly friends. Posts are being deleted. I'd like to continue the discussion if we can.
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Tread lightly friends. Posts are being deleted. I'd like to continue the discussion if we can.
Isn't 14 pages enough?
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Most interesting thing I gleaned from press conference was regarding the statement of injuries. Was said that two teeth were knocked out, nose broken, concussion, sinus damage requiring future surgery.

Frankly, I had thought we were seeing results of, basically, a busted lip from bumping an armrest.

The limp body during the drag could have been due to being knocked out. Evidently, considerable force would have been involved to produce the stated injuries. Also, lawyer said doc had no recollection "nada" of returning to plane -- not saying it didn't happen, but that it was blacked out from his memory.
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Most interesting thing I gleaned from press conference was regarding the statement of injuries. Was said that two teeth were knocked out, nose broken, concussion, sinus damage requiring future surgery.

Frankly, I had thought we were seeing results of, basically, a busted lip from bumping an armrest.

The limp body during the drag could have been due to being knocked out. Evidently, considerable force would have been involved to produce the stated injuries. Also, lawyer said doc had no recollection "nada" of returning to plane -- not saying it didn't happen, but that it was blacked out from his memory.
Lol! Of course! Surprised he's not wearing a neck brace as well. Lol!
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Judge Jeanine weighs in

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Isn't 14 pages enough?
Apparently not . We keep coming back.
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Apparently not . We keep coming back.
It's like a train wreck.
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You did not answer one of my questions to you. You bring up some strange tangent about purchasing a product and accidentally causing damage to it yourself. That is actually a lot different than purchasing a plane ticket, boarding the plane, sitting in your seat, and expecting to arrive back home in a few hours. Then being dragged out of the plane.....and the airline not following THEIR procedures.

If you don't mind, please look back and answer the other questions.
The point of the ford analogy is that in both situations the consumer was either not aware of what to some is "common" knowledge & if not commonly known is documented in some term/conditions contract one is commited to; either way the consumer is responsible not the vendor.

As i said i'm aware of DOT language but have never seen that happen in practice; i suspect b/c here is some language in their terms/conditions that they are covered by.

I'm not sure what question i missed, but typically the process in an oversold situation....incentives are offered...if no takers, there is an algorithm used to select tickets (passenger status, ticket price paid, etc)...the algorithm gets very complex when 2 passengers have no status, paid same $,etc (ea airline has their own "math" in making the final determination of who's booted), supported by ther terms of their individual contracts of carriage

Sometimes this is resolved by one passenger becoming belligerent (i think to some extend the airline "want" this to happen) b/c then the process changes from an "oversold" policy to a "refuse to transport" policy (basically like any business can reserves the right to refuse service to anyone), which inherently resolves he oversold situation.

When "refuse to transport" is envoked, the airline is simply refusing service & envoking the next step in the process...call airport security...they simply tell security they are envoking "refuse to transport" & they are out of it...it's a LEO responsibility now...sometimes they inform the passenger they are refusing to transport, sometimes (b/c of potential drama) the passenger is unaware & LEO's simply show up & remove the passenger from airport property....by choice or by force.

Hope that clarifies things...

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I appreciate your insight. You obviously travel much more than I do. My point is that when a customer enters into a contract with a corporation, the one who writes the contract (the corporation) is generally held to a MUCH higher standard than the customer (who may or may not have read said contract, or even knows that such exists). So when mistakes are made by both sides, I feel that burden falls at the feet of the airline. If they follow their own protocol, we never get to steps 2, 3, 4, etc... Not to mention that it is not good business to put corporate needs ahead of customer needs....if this can in any way be avoided.
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Has anyone ever had a broken nose that didn't bleed? I know I haven't, but just curious.
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Has anyone ever had a broken nose that didn't bleed? I know I haven't, but just curious.
You are really questioning diagnosed medical issues that his lawyer is releasing to the public that will be argued in court?
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You are really questioning diagnosed medical issues that his lawyer is releasing to the public that will be argued in court?
I'm questioning if anyone has had a broken nose that didn't bleed. Have you?
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Has anyone ever had a broken nose that didn't bleed? I know I haven't, but just curious.
It's called nasal septal hematoma.

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It's called nasal septal hematoma.
Oh I'm familiar with nasal septal hematoma. I've actually dealt with it twice. My nose still bled. Problem is, when it stopped, it really didn't. I guess that's not the case every time.
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Has anyone ever had a broken nose that didn't bleed? I know I haven't, but just curious.
I did in high school playing basketball. Depends on where the break occurs. In my case the blood was going down my throat, and there wasn't much of it.
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very smart move on United part. They know the long term memory is short in our country.........but having a case drag out for 2-5 years could really prove disastrous to the stock value. Obviously, they have enough in house lawyers to had stretched this mess out for eon's.
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“Dr. Dao has become the unintended champion for the adoption of changes which will certainly help improve the lives of literally millions of travelers,” Dao attorney Thomas Demetrio said in a statement.

Jesus Christ. The champion of what? Being a class A d-nozzle?
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“Dr. Dao has become the unintended champion for the adoption of changes which will certainly help improve the lives of literally millions of travelers,” Dao attorney Thomas Demetrio said in a statement.

Jesus Christ. The champion of what? Being a class A d-nozzle?


Help improve the lives of millions of travelers! LOL!! Like slavery, hopefully traveling will one day be abolished.


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So did Rodinarac ever admit he was wrong? Said the man wouldn't win a settlement and UAL stock wouldn't drop.

We should guess/argue how much the undisclosed settlement was for.
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Like I said weeks ago, the other airlines enjoyed the negative press, but they were going to be faced with other challenges of their own.

Fight breaks out after Spirit cancels flights
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So did Rodinarac ever admit he was wrong? Said the man wouldn't win a settlement and UAL stock wouldn't drop.



We should guess/argue how much the undisclosed settlement was for.


Zero chance that guy admitted he was wrong.


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