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Old 10-18-2018, 07:40 PM   #51
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Jealously is a bad trait. Iím not drinking the koolaid, Iím watching a guy very successfully improve the US economy because he knows what he is doing.
Iím sure you are brilliant and you could turn a million into billions just like all those bankrupt lotto winners. Itís not as easy as people think. The very idea that you think he wasnít/isnít behind his success tells me all I need to know about you, kinda like Obama telling everyone that ďif you have a business, you didnít build that. Somebody else made that happenĒ
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I agree with a lot of what he's doing and I agree that he is improving the economy and other things.however I detest people who are drinking the Kool aid
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Old 10-18-2018, 07:41 PM   #52
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Bat, you may have a good plan, looks like schultzy already has a small business open in the TBH classifieds.
Boy wonder seems like we all are small business owner and, yours should be to mind your own business cheers my friend
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Jealously is a bad trait. Iím not drinking the koolaid, Iím watching a guy very successfully improve the US economy because he knows what he is doing.
Iím sure you are brilliant and you could turn a million into billions just like all those bankrupt lotto winners. Itís not as easy as people think. The very idea that you think he wasnít/isnít behind his success tells me all I need to know about you, kinda like Obama telling everyone that ďif you have a business, you didnít build that. Somebody else made that happenĒ
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Why is Obama's name in this conversation?????are you obsessed with him?
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You all know groups like center for biological diversity make most of their money by suing the government. The case don't even have to have any merit and the taxpayer has to pay the bill. That group and most agenda driven special interest groups like it are made up of lawyers. They have found a way to strip mine the taxpayer by feigning care for many different issues. It is big business.
But itís a 100% legal business model and I heard that anything legal must also be moral.
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It sounds logical for a "billionaire" to be able to file bankruptcy?
Yes. Laws can not nor should not be for just the poor or the rich. Needs to be equal.
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Why is Obama's name in this conversation?????are you obsessed with him?


No not at all just reminiscing on some of the things he said that compare to what you are saying about trump. Most every business either starts with a loan or takes a loan at some point to grow the business, seems silly to have Ill will towards a guy who took a loan from his father and not a bank. Itís not easy building a fortune in real estate in NY even if you have the money. There are a lot of decisions to be made and a lot of management involved. To think that trump just took a million bucks and gave it to someone else and they did all the work is pretty short sided and shows a level of pure disdain and if that was what happened then apparently he knows how to surround himself with good people.
Trump may not be orthodox but he gets it done. Iím not drinking koolaid, the growth over the last two years proves it.


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Looks like somebody got triggered. That's awesome!
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No not at all just reminiscing on some of the things he said that compare to what you are saying about trump. Most every business either starts with a loan or takes a loan at some point to grow the business, seems silly to have Ill will towards a guy who took a loan from his father and not a bank. Itís not easy building a fortune in real estate in NY even if you have the money. There are a lot of decisions to be made and a lot of management involved. To think that trump just took a million bucks and gave it to someone else and they did all the work is pretty short sided and shows a level of pure disdain and if that was what happened then apparently he knows how to surround himself with good people.
Trump may not be orthodox but he gets it done. Iím not drinking koolaid, the growth over the last two years proves it.


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I don't drink but I'll invite you to a beer and we can talk about it I'm agreeing with many of his politics and decisions all I am saying is let's not drink the Kool aid,let's think for ourselves and draw our own conclusions. We agree on many things and we can agree to disagree on others,that's what makes this country so beautiful and the day we have someone dictate orders for everyone,trust me,even if you agree with those orders that is NOT the day you want to get to witness or your children. Cheers gentlemen, some took it as I was bashing him but I am not. It is a little scary that some can't handle a different opinion but that's a whole new can of worms I won't open
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"What is going on here?????"

I didn't see a different opinion. We drill for oil and gas to fuel our cars and heat our homes. Then liberals sue trying to force their doctrine on the populace or take down a president. Notice I said doctrine and not "way", they still burn gasoline in their cars and cook, heat their homes with natural gas.
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We own a used car lot - we self-financed some notes.
Best I can tell Trump bought a car from him and didn't pay for it... then filed Chapter 11 and got the car back.. but still didn't have to pay but $87 a month on the principal of the note instead of 27% interest compounded daily...
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Yes. Laws can not nor should not be for just the poor or the rich. Needs to be equal.
You're wrong - if you can afford to pay your debts, you need to pay them according to the agreed price.
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I don't drink but I'll invite you to a beer and we can talk about it I'm agreeing with many of his politics and decisions all I am saying is let's not drink the Kool aid,let's think for ourselves and draw our own conclusions. We agree on many things and we can agree to disagree on others,that's what makes this country so beautiful and the day we have someone dictate orders for everyone,trust me,even if you agree with those orders that is NOT the day you want to get to witness or your children. Cheers gentlemen, some took it as I was bashing him but I am not. It is a little scary that some can't handle a different opinion but that's a whole new can of worms I won't open

I can handle a different opinion but I donít do well with inaccuracies. I have issues with trump but at the same time I can recognize other peopleís successes. I just took issue with the idea that somehow trump didnít make his way or earn his way. We all work hard to give our kids a better life and/or leave them with something that may make them better or better off. Trump was fortunate that his father made good decisions and worked hard and was then able to help his son get a leg up and trump capitalized on that and for that I can acknowledge his success. Just think of how many rich kids waste fortunes that are passed on to them or they just choose to live off the money and not do anything productive.

Sorry this is a sore point with me because there are other things that you can criticize trump for but I donít think this is a fair example, itís a liberal talking point where they reach to find something to diminish Trump.



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You're wrong - if you can afford to pay your debts, you need to pay them according to the agreed price.
We are in the same type of business in a way. I also finance products. We both know that some of the people we finance are not going to live up to their end of the deal, I can also tell you that we both have calculated losses projected for each year. I try to keep mine down to 3%, but its a gamble. When the oil field collapsed a few years ago, I lost about 200k due to bankruptcies and bad deals.

I do not like bankruptcies anymore than you, they suck. Doing business with oilfield companies that pay on 60-90 day terms suck, and they will not get any discount from me, if anything I will come in at a higher bid. I am no longer blindsided(hopefully) by any business financial loss, I have learned to be prepared for it.

As far as Trump and his business ethics go, we had no choice in the past election other than him. I do not know or care if you voted D or R, but would have to think that the business side of your mind knew Clinton was a danger to your company.
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You're wrong - if you can afford to pay your debts, you need to pay them according to the agreed price.
No, you're wrong. If the business can afford to pay it should pay.

One's personal life is completely separate from one's business. But you just don't understand that I guess.
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You're wrong - if you can afford to pay your debts, you need to pay them according to the agreed price.
I work in the entry level home industry.

Nearly everyone that we sell a home too, gets a loan. Many times they need to get their credit scrubbed to even qualify. Before the company loans somebody money, we under write the borrower to ensure they can pay back the money they borrowed, plus interest.

Your right. But if you can afford to loan somebody money (especially a sub par borrower), it should be the lenders responsibility to ensure they can be paid back, with the high interest rate they are charging.
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Wow. Liberal logic at its finest....tell me, do you feel the same when a pile of liberal democratic obama contributors take a few 100 million from taxpayers and turn around and declare bankruptcy costing US 900 million in taxpayer dollars? I must have missed your outrage over that one...
You blame trump for bankruptcies of some of the 30 companies heís had investments in over decades. Thatís how logical your argument is? He was the ďbillionaireĒ, so itís all on him, not the contractors, managers, CEOs, CFOs, or a hundred other people making the decisions day to day, just trump....you hate him for that. Oh, and the hair...
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Trump Plan to Ramp Up Fracking, Mining in National Forests Threatens Climate

The Trump administration's plan to make it easier for industry to frack and mine in national forests would endanger the climate, wildlife and watersheds, the Center for Biological Diversity and other conservation groups said in comments submitted Monday to the U.S. Forest Service.





"The Forest Service shouldn't be complicit in the Trump administration's assault on America's public lands at the behest of fossil-fuel and mining companies," said Taylor McKinnon, a public-lands campaigner at the Center for Biological Diversity. "More fracking and mining, with fewer safeguards, would be disastrous for national forests and watersheds. Instead of weakening protections, Trump should clean up the mess the mining industry has already left behind in our forests."





Analysis by Kara Clauser, Center for Biological Diversity, based on U.S. Interior Department data.





A Center for Biological Diversity analysis of federal oil and gas volume estimates shows that, outside of wilderness areas and national monuments, national forests contain 1.8 billion barrels of oil and 24 trillion cubic feet of natural gas. That would produce 2.4 billion tons of greenhouse gas pollution if fully developedóthe equivalent of annual emissions from 601 coal-fired power plants.



The proposed Forest Service oil and gas rulemaking would align its procedures with controversial new Bureau of Land Management policies that have been temporarily halted by a federal court because they prevent public input. The Center for Biological Diversity and other organizations are calling on the agency to improve transparency and public involvement in decisions about drilling, fracking and mining in national forests. The groups also want the Service to fully account for the toll fossil-fuel extraction and mining would take on public health, public lands, wildlife and the climate.



"Pushing new fossil-fuel development in our national forests ignores the alarm bells that world climate scientists rang loudly last week," said McKinnon. "National forests and public lands are where we should stop fossil-fuel expansion first."



On mining, the Trump administration has sought to use policies like "critical minerals" to justify weakening protections, which would worsen mining pollution.



The U.S. Environmental Protection Agency estimates that 40 percent of western watershed headwaters, most of which are in national forests, are already polluted with mining waste. The mining industry leads the nation in toxic releases from mines, which create permanent scars on the landscape.


You can stop worrying. We will all be fine. This site is a liberal environmental group that makes money scaring people into thinking the laws have somehow changed because trump is a ďmonsterĒ, regarding drilling on national forest lands. They havenít. In some areas, itís always been allowed. On some, itís not.
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Wow. Liberal logic at its finest....tell me, do you feel the same when a pile of liberal democratic obama contributors take a few 100 million from taxpayers and turn around and declare bankruptcy costing US 900 million in taxpayer dollars? I must have missed your outrage over that one...
You blame trump for bankruptcies of some of the 30 companies heís had investments in over decades. Thatís how logical your argument is? He was the ďbillionaireĒ, so itís all on him, not the contractors, managers, CEOs, CFOs, or a hundred other people making the decisions day to day, just trump....you hate him for that. Oh, and the hair...
Dont forget the treatment of people. I blame the person who takes the credit for being a "billionaire"

Anyone who has money, and files bankruptcy is worthless in my opinion. ALL OF THEM. Democrat or Republican. If you have money, and file bankruptcy to pay a lesser amount than what you initially agreed to, you are worthless.
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Dont forget the treatment of people. I blame the person who takes the credit for being a "billionaire"

Anyone who has money, and files bankruptcy is worthless in my opinion. ALL OF THEM. Democrat or Republican. If you have money, and file bankruptcy to pay a lesser amount than what you initially agreed to, you are worthless.
We get it ok. You are very short sided imo and I think you are lacking the ability to see the big picture.

I am glad that Trump had the money to run for president and even more so that he won. When you look at what the alternative was it was easy to vote for him. He has exceeded my expectations and has been very effective in making the necessary changes that this country desperately needed.

If you put Trump filing for bankruptcy at the same level of destruction to people's lives that Obama did and the Clintons have done then you really only see what you want. By the way there is no healthy HATE as you put, sorry there just isn't.

When you take risk and don't make it there are legal means to wipe the slate and start over and if it wasn't for that there would be very few successful business people. No one likes having to file for bankruptcy. You ride on top of a mighty high horse the way you judge and look down upon Trump and if you fall its a long fall from that high horse that you so proudly ride.

I do know that people like George Soros that has billions has destroyed many people's lives over the years. I would say that Trump has done good things with his money overall and by being in a financial position to run for president and winning is the biggest. He will have a positive impact that will affect millions of people and the long term prosperity it will bring for them as well as our country makes you look childish and petty for focusing on him filing bankruptcy.

By the way are you aware of what particular bankruptcy filings Trump has actually used?


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Anyone who has money, and files bankruptcy is worthless in my opinion. ALL OF THEM. Democrat or Republican. If you have money, and file bankruptcy to pay a lesser amount than what you initially agreed to, you are worthless.
Have you wrote your congressman or senator demanding they abolish the bankruptcy Laws in the country?
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Anyone who has money, and files bankruptcy is worthless in my opinion. ALL OF THEM.
Woodrum had the truck for less than two years. By late 2016, the nearly $600 monthly payments to Santander Consumer USA, the holder of his loan, proved too difficult to maintain. Woodrum said he kept in touch with Santander, working out arrangements to catch up, but in mid-December, the financial institution repossessed his vehicle.

ďIt was the payments,Ē he said. ďI was paying so much on insurance, because it was a financed car. All in all, if you add in that, and the insurance, I was paying $750 a month.Ē

It may seem easy to write Woodrum off as ignorant of finance, or budgeting, or the car buying process. In reality, heís one of thousands of people in recent years who have been ensnared in high-interest ďsubprimeĒ car loans aimed at buyers with bad credit, often with no attempts to verify their incomeóloans that have led to multiple repossessions of the same vehicle and an endless cycle of repossession fees to get their cars back.

And Woodrumís lender in particular, Santander Consumer USA, has been singled out by regulators and authorities as one of the most problematic companies for subprime car loans. But few protections exist for car buyers, especially those in bad economic situations to begin with and who need a vehicle no matter what so they can stay employed.

Cars and jobs lost. Credit scores, once just low, have been permanently ruined. State attorneys general have launched lawsuits and investigations.

It is the ugly underside to the cheery narrative about the auto industryís sales resurgence after the recession, achieved on the backs of some of the more desperate people in the country. Itís a system that primarily targets poor people, set up to make them fail over and over again, while financial institutions make a lot of money.

Now, like the housing market a decade ago, the question is this: when does it all explode?


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You bring up the people side of the bankruptcy issue.

But do you really not see the people side of subprime. Especially when you sell them a depreciating asset like a automobile?
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We get it ok. You are very short sided imo and I think you are lacking the ability to see the big picture.

I am glad that Trump had the money to run for president and even more so that he won. When you look at what the alternative was it was easy to vote for him. He has exceeded my expectations and has been very effective in making the necessary changes that this country desperately needed.

If you put Trump filing for bankruptcy at the same level of destruction to people's lives that Obama did and the Clintons have done then you really only see what you want. By the way there is no healthy HATE as you put, sorry there just isn't.

When you take risk and don't make it there are legal means to wipe the slate and start over and if it wasn't for that there would be very few successful business people. No one likes having to file for bankruptcy. You ride on top of a mighty high horse the way you judge and look down upon Trump and if you fall its a long fall from that high horse that you so proudly ride.

I do know that people like George Soros that has billions has destroyed many people's lives over the years. I would say that Trump has done good things with his money overall and by being in a financial position to run for president and winning is the biggest. He will have a positive impact that will affect millions of people and the long term prosperity it will bring for them as well as our country makes you look childish and petty for focusing on him filing bankruptcy.

By the way are you aware of what particular bankruptcy filings Trump has actually used?
I do know - and I respect your ability to be wrong about my ability to have a healthy hate. Also respect your ability to validate an absolute wrong to fit your narrative.

We all have different points of view - good for you on yours. I see things differently.

I dont take a high horse, I just call it how it is. Lying, cheating, insulting and a general mistreatment of people. If I was doing the same, I would hopefully be told that I was doing those things, and change.

It is not a difficult assertion. Do not hide behind bankruptcy when faced with failure. Of course he is not solely responsible, but he is absolutely a part of the issue. I also know a lot of successful people that have not filed bankruptcy. I'm not focused on one thing, there are more than one reason. Including the hair.
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Boy wonder seems like we all are small business owner and, yours should be to mind your own business cheers my friend
So sorry, I misunderstood the concept. You posted something on a public forum, but don't want anyone commenting. You should have gone on CNN last night with Roberto!
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I do know - and I respect your ability to be wrong about my ability to have a healthy hate. Also respect your ability to validate an absolute wrong to fit your narrative.



We all have different points of view - good for you on yours. I see things differently.



I dont take a high horse, I just call it how it is. Lying, cheating, insulting and a general mistreatment of people. If I was doing the same, I would hopefully be told that I was doing those things, and change.



It is not a difficult assertion. Do not hide behind bankruptcy when faced with failure. Of course he is not solely responsible, but he is absolutely a part of the issue. I also know a lot of successful people that have not filed bankruptcy. I'm not focused on one thing, there are more than one reason. Including the hair.



Iím sure all those people you ďhelpĒ with those abominations you call ďloansĒ think well of you, too.
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Sooooo.....you're that honest used car salesman.

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Have you ever been on a Frac site? Even in Pennsylvania where the rules are unbelievable strict, it's still a mess.
Money is all that matters to most people, but I sincerely hope I never see a frac site in a National Forest, or any type of progress for that matter.
I'm far from a tree hugger, but we are destroying the waters and lands of this country, just as fast as we can.
I disagree. The Forest Service is a multiple use agency.

Oil and Gas extraction on National Forest has been going on since the early 1900's. I worked for the U.S. Forest Service for 21 years inspecting and administering oil and gas operations. The authority to extract minerals on federal lands go back to the 1872 Mining Law.

The Forest Service manages access to, and development of, federal oil and natural gas resources on approximately one-third of the over 150 national forests and grasslands. The Federal Onshore Oil and Gas Leasing Reform Act of 1987 established the Forest Service authority to decide if lands reserved from the public domain under its jurisdiction could be leased for oil and gas, and gave the agency authority to regulate surface disturbing activities on leases issued under this act. The Mineral Leasing Act for Acquired Lands of 1947 established the Forest Service consent authority for leasing acquired NFS lands for oil and gas resources. The Forest Service manages oil and gas activity according to its regulations at 36 CFR 228 Subpart E.

The Forest Service participates with the DOI- Bureau of Land Management (BLM) in managing federal oil and gas resources on National Forest System (NFS) lands. The Forest Service and the BLM cooperate on approving drilling permits on federal oil and gas leases involving NFS lands.

I worked hand in hand with BLM inspectors making sure drilling operations were conducted in accordance with existing regulations. Most lease holders were very cooperative and prudent. When we did have issues we had the authority to make sure the operators complied with the laws and regulations.

Most folks don't realize that 25% of the receipts from oil and gas operations on federal lands go back to the counties, where the production takes place, for schools and roads.
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In my neck of the woods they are have been drilling wells in the WMA and pushing big roads to get to these sites. Bulldozing for pipelines also and multiple water trucks in and out. Prior to this they would barely let you walk into these places. Money definitely talks and bs walks. As far as how it effects the environment, oh well it appears not much of a concern to the powers that be. But please donít let a teenager be caught riding through there with a .22 in their vehicle.
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There is some BS in this thread.
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We get it ok. You are very short sided imo and I think you are lacking the ability to see the big picture.

I am glad that Trump had the money to run for president and even more so that he won. When you look at what the alternative was it was easy to vote for him. He has exceeded my expectations and has been very effective in making the necessary changes that this country desperately needed.

If you put Trump filing for bankruptcy at the same level of destruction to people's lives that Obama did and the Clintons have done then you really only see what you want. By the way there is no healthy HATE as you put, sorry there just isn't.

When you take risk and don't make it there are legal means to wipe the slate and start over and if it wasn't for that there would be very few successful business people. No one likes having to file for bankruptcy. You ride on top of a mighty high horse the way you judge and look down upon Trump and if you fall its a long fall from that high horse that you so proudly ride.

I do know that people like George Soros that has billions has destroyed many people's lives over the years. I would say that Trump has done good things with his money overall and by being in a financial position to run for president and winning is the biggest. He will have a positive impact that will affect millions of people and the long term prosperity it will bring for them as well as our country makes you look childish and petty for focusing on him filing bankruptcy.

By the way are you aware of what particular bankruptcy filings Trump has actually used?
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Have you wrote your congressman or senator demanding they abolish the bankruptcy Laws in the country?
He doesn't want them abolished. Just where "rich" people can't use them Duh!

He obviously never ran a business much less a complicated one or 10 or 30.. I assume he thinks that business #12 should lose money to bail out the one going bankrupt. But he doesn't understand that's not possible when you have bondholders and stockholders. Even if it was possible it would be a stupid business move. That would be like paying more taxes to the IRS by NOT using a deduction because you want things to "be fair"


I can't even believe this is being discussed. But how in hades would you let some business go bankrupt but not others? That would be a mind boggling task to figure out. Since each business is owned by multiple different people LOL

Please clear this new bk law thing you want and let us know how it should work.. Besides being vague and saying billionaires use it.

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I disagree. The Forest Service is a multiple use agency.



Oil and Gas extraction on National Forest has been going on since the early 1900's. I worked for the U.S. Forest Service for 21 years inspecting and administering oil and gas operations. The authority to extract minerals on federal lands go back to the 1872 Mining Law.



The Forest Service manages access to, and development of, federal oil and natural gas resources on approximately one-third of the over 150 national forests and grasslands. The Federal Onshore Oil and Gas Leasing Reform Act of 1987 established the Forest Service authority to decide if lands reserved from the public domain under its jurisdiction could be leased for oil and gas, and gave the agency authority to regulate surface disturbing activities on leases issued under this act. The Mineral Leasing Act for Acquired Lands of 1947 established the Forest Service consent authority for leasing acquired NFS lands for oil and gas resources. The Forest Service manages oil and gas activity according to its regulations at 36 CFR 228 Subpart E.



The Forest Service participates with the DOI- Bureau of Land Management (BLM) in managing federal oil and gas resources on National Forest System (NFS) lands. The Forest Service and the BLM cooperate on approving drilling permits on federal oil and gas leases involving NFS lands.



I worked hand in hand with BLM inspectors making sure drilling operations were conducted in accordance with existing regulations. Most lease holders were very cooperative and prudent. When we did have issues we had the authority to make sure the operators complied with the laws and regulations.



Most folks don't realize that 25% of the receipts from oil and gas operations on federal lands go back to the counties, where the production takes place, for schools and roads.


Thank you for posting this. I find it naive and silly that people will say that drilling sites are harming the environment. Any rig manager will tell you itís his job if that site is not up to multiple agency standards. And when itís done, that area is NOT toxic, leaking gas or oil, and not harming wildlife.
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I'll wait for the answer to this question.
I already answered the question, but based off your responses, the only comment you're actually paying attention to is your own.

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He doesn't want them abolished. Just where "rich" people can't use them Duh!
This is another unnecessary comment based on nothing that I said, and just your slanted interpretation of what I said.

I want people who have money - rich or poor - to pay what they owe if they are able to. I want people who have been provided a service, to be paid the agreed amount. I don't want "good business" to come at the expense of someone else's hard work and determination.

It is not a difficult concept. If you have billions of dollars, pay for what you owe. Good business should be taking care of your responsibilities according to the terms that you agree.

If you can't, that's understandable. If you can, and you are just using the system at the expense of another, it is not acceptable in my opinion.
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I already answered the question, but based off your responses, the only comment you're actually paying attention to is your own.



This is another unnecessary comment based on nothing that I said, and just your slanted interpretation of what I said.

I want people who have money - rich or poor - to pay what they owe if they are able to. I want people who have been provided a service, to be paid the agreed amount. I don't want "good business" to come at the expense of someone else's hard work and determination.

It is not a difficult concept. If you have billions of dollars, pay for what you owe. Good business should be taking care of your responsibilities according to the terms that you agree.

If you can't, that's understandable. If you can, and you are just using the system at the expense of another, it is not acceptable in my opinion.
To start do you mean people or a business?

Do you understand/know there are a ton of laws that structure where remaining money goes? Like who gets paid first, second, third etc.

The business does not sit on a pile of cash, declare bk, and then walk away with money. Neither can a person who files bk.

Now a "rich" man can own part of a business and the business can go bk and the man keep his personal money. I have to assume this is what you're talking about.
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Especially when you have already repossessed the car for non payment. Had to return it because he filed within the 10 day grace period.
I will take whos job is it to decide if "people have money" or "if they are able to pay it back" for $500 Alex?

What is, the lender and or investor?
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I will take whos job is it to decide if "people have money" or "if they are able to pay it back" for $500 Alex?

What is, the lender and or investor?



If I owed people lots of money I will then transfer all money to my wife or kid. Then I won't have money and it will all be cool with JJ to not pay them back.

Or better yet I could spend it all. Then it's all cool also. Dumb***** savers
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So sorry, I misunderstood the concept. You posted something on a public forum, but don't want anyone commenting. You should have gone on CNN last night with Roberto!
I applaud you for commenting, but only smart comments next time,OKAY? now go on,move it along and have a good day my friend and stop watching CNN, you got time to read post and reply so quick but don't have time to do some research on the negative effects of blue screen on your brain???? Ok now I'm confused...anyway leave it alone grown men don't argue on a forum, let's go on CNN LIVE lol later man

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I applaud you for commenting, but only smart comments next time,OKAY? now go on,move it along and have a good day my friend and stop watching CNN, you got time to read post and reply so quick but don't have time to do some research on the negative effects of blue screen on your brain???? Ok now I'm confused...anyway leave it alone grown men don't argue on a forum, let's go on CNN LIVE lol later man
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Ironman, You need to quit wasting good keystrokes on this pathetic twerp... You KNOW you can't have a battle of wits with an unarmed person, right?
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Ironman, You need to quit wasting good keystrokes on this pathetic twerp... You KNOW you can't have a battle of wits with an unarmed person, right?
Yeah, I know, but idiotic arrogance needs pointed out.
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Ironman, You need to quit wasting good keystrokes on this pathetic twerp... You KNOW you can't have a battle of wits with an unarmed person, right?
If you were as slick as your name implies you wouldn't have wasted KEYSTROKES YOURSELF. take your own advice and look in the mirror, you will be surprised to find the real pathetic twerp!
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If you were as slick as your name implies you wouldn't have wasted KEYSTROKES YOURSELF. take your own advice and look in the mirror, you will be surprised to find the real pathetic twerp!
It's pretty obvious from your total post count just how much you contribute to the site because you can see most right here in this thread and it exposes your attitude and pot stirring capabilities.
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