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Old 06-13-2018, 11:59 AM   #1
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Iím trying to decide between the humminbird helix 5 and the Lowrance hook2-5.

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Old 06-13-2018, 12:22 PM   #2
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Lowarance has a better picture but bird is easier to navigate
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Lowarance has a better picture but bird is easier to navigate
I'd have to agree from my experience with older units... I just bought a Lowrance Elite-7 but haven't used it yet in actual fishin' conditions.
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Old 06-13-2018, 12:26 PM   #4
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Other thing to consider is if you plan to use it with your troller for tracking/anchoring, check compatibility with your particular troller...
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Old 06-13-2018, 12:31 PM   #5
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Iím trying to decide between the humminbird helix 5 and the Lowrance hook2-5.

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I have 2 helix 5's on my boat. I really like them. The only thing I regret is not going bigger. I would go 7" or 9" at least. When you have the map on one side and down imaging or side imaging on the the other its kind of small.
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Old 06-13-2018, 12:34 PM   #6
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Other thing to consider is if you plan to use it with your troller for tracking/anchoring, check compatibility with your particular troller...


The boat isnít that high tech Charlie. I mainly want the maps and the chart plotter capability.

Whichever unit have go with will have to be compatible with navionics platinum plus.


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I have 2 helix 5's on my boat. I really like them. The only thing I regret is not going bigger. I would go 7" or 9" at least. When you have the map on one side and down imaging or side imaging on the the other its kind of small.


Iím trying to stay around $400 tops, so the 7 and the 9 are our out of the question.

It will be mounted on the console.


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Old 06-13-2018, 12:48 PM   #8
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I’m trying to stay around $400 tops, so the 7 and the 9 are our out of the question.

It will be mounted on the console.


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Iím trying to stay around $400 tops, so the 7 and the 9 are our out of the question.

It will be mounted on the console.


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You can get a 7 for that
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I don't see that this one has GPS capabilities. Does it?
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Old 06-13-2018, 01:32 PM   #11
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I don't see that this one has GPS capabilities. Does it?


Not that I can tell.


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Old 06-13-2018, 01:32 PM   #12
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Call Lowrance and ask them if the have any refurbished units. These units are like brand new and have same warranty.
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I use Navionics/Platinum+ with my Lowrance... Pretty cool that I can use my iPhone for a second display with the bluetooth link to the Lowrance unit.
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Old 06-13-2018, 02:04 PM   #14
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I don't see that this one has GPS capabilities. Does it?
Try this link.

https://www.walmart.com/ip/Humminbir...PS-G2/55375660
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Old 06-13-2018, 02:09 PM   #15
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Also, check to make sure the lake(s) you want to fish are already included. Maybe consider Garmin echomap too. 1 foot contour maps on a lot of lakes.
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Old 06-13-2018, 02:21 PM   #16
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I have Lowrance units now and I was looking at the Hook 9 as a mapping unit only, it is true, bigger is better, lol.

Anyway, I have heard that the Hook units are the easiest to operate out of the box now. Kind of dummy proof if you will, very simple plug and play set up.
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Lowarance has a better picture but bird is easier to navigate

I'm gonna say just the opposite!! I would save till you could at least afford a 7" screen. Also SI would be a plus.


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Old 06-13-2018, 02:41 PM   #18
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You got older eyes

I have the Lowrance hds 12 Gen 2. I went from a hummingbird 1198 to it. I get a better picture than I did with the 1198. It really is a personal preference. Caught a ton of stripers and whites with both.
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Old 06-13-2018, 02:44 PM   #19
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Iím a helix fan
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Old 06-13-2018, 03:11 PM   #20
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If you can buy that Humminbird Mega that's the one you should buy I got Garmin on mine and they're okay
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Old 06-13-2018, 06:01 PM   #21
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I think this one might be the winner. Covers everything I need it for. Navionics compatibles, gps and down imaging. I donít really see a need for side imaging as I fish the matagorda area 95% of the time. I will fish Conroe and Livingston from time to time.

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I think this one might be the winner. Covers everything I need it for. Navionics compatibles, gps and down imaging. I donít really see a need for side imaging as I fish the matagorda area 95% of the time. I will fish Conroe and Livingston from time to time.

https://fishfinders.factoryoutletsto...gitemid=397203


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This is the exact model I have. You will like it!
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Old 06-13-2018, 07:38 PM   #24
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Lowrance has a better traditional sonar but hummingbird has cane a lot ways on everything else. There is nothing out that compares to hummingbirds mega units. The SI and DI is wild. The GPS on birds are better also, every lowrance Iíve been on doesnít know exactly what direction your facing if sitting still.
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how would this one work for the bays ? Buddy gave it to me as he doesn't need it. Never been opened. Won it in a tournament.
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Should work just fine, I would think.


It has the side imaging which I donít think is necessary for bay fishing, but I like the down imaging.

I need friends like you have that just give cool stuff away.


And if he doesnít work for you, maybe we can make a deal on it.

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Old 06-14-2018, 04:12 PM   #28
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I have a Lowrance Hook 7, Humminbird Helix 7 SI, and a Garmin 73SV on my boat. Everyone does something better than the others but if I could have just one I would take the Garmin but I do like Navionics which Garmin recently acquired
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Old 06-14-2018, 04:42 PM   #30
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Go Humminbird helix 9 mega!
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Can get a 7 for under $400. Not DI but sonar and GPS

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I have a Lowrance Hook 7, Humminbird Helix 7 SI, and a Garmin 73SV on my boat. Everyone does something better than the others but if I could have just one I would take the Garmin but I do like Navionics which Garmin recently acquired


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Helix 9 will be my next big purchase. My brother just bought the 12.. said it's worth it's its weight in gold
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Side imaging comes in really handy for me in Galveston bay when I'm hitting up old pilings and structure along the shoreline. I love being able to see under piers and into canal docks.
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OP is interested if you want to make a deal.


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I used to run Lowrance, until I had to deal with customer service. It's all Hummingbird for me now.
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Old 06-15-2018, 06:44 AM   #39
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I run a helix 9 on the console and a 7 up front. The Lake Master chip is far superior than the Navionics. the Birds Auto Chart live is an awesome feature. All of you that say you don't like the picture need to play with your settings and make sure your transducer is level at the angle your boat sits in the water, "leveling on the trailer will not give you a clear picture."
If anyone needs help with there settings there is a "Humminbird tips and tricks" facebook site that is loaded with info.
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I run a helix 9 on the console and a 7 up front. The Lake Master chip is far superior than the Navionics. the Birds Auto Chart live is an awesome feature. All of you that say you don't like the picture need to play with your settings and make sure your transducer is level at the angle your boat sits in the water, "leveling on the trailer will not give you a clear picture."
If anyone needs help with there settings there is a "Humminbird tips and tricks" facebook site that is loaded with info.
I don't like the picture of the Bird better than my Low and its adjusted just fine.
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Old 06-15-2018, 08:56 AM   #41
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I don't like the picture of the Bird better than my Low and its adjusted just fine.
Good for you. I'm glad you're happy with the lowrance. My partner runs dual hds 10's and loves them. But I get a better DI image than he does in the deep stuff.

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Old 06-15-2018, 09:02 AM   #42
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Good for you. I'm glad you're happy with the lowrance. My partner runs dual hds 10's and loves them. But I get a better DI image than he does in the deep stuff.

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I fished the Bird for yrs. I use sonar more than SI and Lowarance shows the Arches better on stripers in my opinion.
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I fished the Bird for yrs. I use sonar more than SI and Lowarance shows the Arches better on stripers in my opinion.
I do like the chirp on the lowrance better but I mainly use the di and si for structure and type of bottom being that I target those green fish. Depending on time of year I will run dual chirp and image looking for the fish chasing bait balls or suspended offshore. These electronics have come a long ways.

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I like using a small cannon ball with a rope tied to it. Tells me the depth pretty well.
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I had a helix 9 and recently went to a Lowrance HDS 12 and the Humminbird is a better graph in my opinion. The map on the Humminbird is a lot better. You will most likely need a navionics chip with a Lowrance that’s another 160 bucks
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Old 06-15-2018, 10:13 AM   #46
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Helix MEGA.

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Helix MEGA.




Mega is sweet! I know where a spot that looks just like that is on Belton! Usually catch black crappie off the same corner those fish are on or on the steps! I have a big bamboo brushpile marked on a little lake over here and I showed it to a buddy the other day with his Mega 12 and you could tell it was an old flat bottom v hull filled with cinder blocks and bamboo! I just could tell it was a bamboo pile with my HDS 12. Electronics have come a long long way!!!


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Old 06-25-2018, 03:00 AM   #48
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Breezy and I were able to make a deal we were both happy with and I installed the Helix 5 G2 Sunday morning.

Turned out great, and I canít wait to use this thing in the next few day.

Thanks again Brandon.


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Old 06-25-2018, 04:17 AM   #49
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Currently have a Helix 7 and it's a good unit but finicky. I actually carry my old Elite-5 HDI in my boat bag and left the wiring in place and had to use it twice or would have been in a bind. I've also noticed now sometimes after booting up the Helix will put me 30' off to the side for up to 10 minutes or so before it corrects. Not a big deal normally but go through the wrong cut to a back bay at the wrong time and you may have a serious issue. I actually have a track I was setting once and it teleported me over and shows my boat going over land then teleports me back about half mile later.
I also had an original HDS, couldn't figure out how to use it other than the basics but I liked it better than the Elite. For anything GPS I'll stick to Lowrance in the future. Can't comment on fishfinder stuff I don't even know if that works on any of my units I use it so little.
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Old 06-25-2018, 09:37 AM   #50
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just bought a lowrance hook 9 with triple shot,installing tomorrow
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