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Old 01-08-2014, 08:08 AM   #1
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Default 100+ NY cops & firefighters indicted - 911 fraud

http://abcnews.go.com/m/story?id=214....google.com%2F

Absolutely shameful!
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Old 01-08-2014, 08:11 AM   #2
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This is what makes the good guys look bad.....
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Old 01-08-2014, 08:17 AM   #3
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Fraud is an ugly word. Let us not paint the wide brush that someone can still have legitimate PTSD and still fish. The evidence they had on these folks go to the extreme and sure looks like a lack of integrity. There is an epidemic of poser PTSD out there. Its a tough one to document unless you are with that person from 10pm to 8am. Just cause you go fishing at 9am does not mean you do not suffer from PTSD. This case included recorded evidence of coaching to fool medical board. This is a clear case of fraud. GO TO JAIL.
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Old 01-08-2014, 08:22 AM   #4
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Old 01-08-2014, 08:23 AM   #5
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Hopefully justice will be harsh and swift. Set an example that this type of behavior isn't tolerated.
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Old 01-08-2014, 08:25 AM   #6
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They say many more arrests are likely and total cost could reach hundreds of millions. Scam has been going on since the 80's but, apparently, ramped up after 9/11
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Old 01-08-2014, 08:25 AM   #7
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Does not surprise me. People are people, doesn't matter what job they have. I would expect to hold these type folks to a higher standard but at the end of the day they still have temptation and weaknesses just like everyone else. Good people are good people and bad are bad.
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Old 01-08-2014, 08:26 AM   #8
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Saw this yesterday and decided not to post. Seems to be a very oddly delicate subject on TBH when it comes to first responders. I always take people at face value until they show me something different.......regrettably the 80/20 rule tends to prove itself correct!
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Old 01-08-2014, 08:48 AM   #9
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Lock 'em up!
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Old 01-08-2014, 09:08 AM   #10
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First responders are no different than other folks. Plenty of sorry SOB's in this profession.
Our society has gone most folks working until they die of old age to let me try to find a way to get paid more for less work. They are sorry people, they stole from the tax payer and they should be ruined and sent to prison.............just like a whole bunch of folks in DC
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Old 01-08-2014, 09:13 AM   #11
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How about.......

BENGHAZI
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EXECUTIVE ORDER AFTER ORDER TO MANIPULATE HEALTHCARE


It all starts at the top.....JUST SAYING!
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Old 01-08-2014, 09:17 AM   #12
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Happens everyday...
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Old 01-08-2014, 09:29 AM   #13
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Remember, New York City has over 34,500 uniformed police officers and over 10,700 uniformed firefighters. Not counting the corrections officers that's 45,200 plus public servants and only 100 of them (maybe a score or two more) are prosecuted for this. That's 1 out of every 452 officers. Not a bad stat.

There are definitely some butt heads out there tho. And they need to go to jail

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Old 01-08-2014, 09:37 AM   #14
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Saw this yesterday and decided not to post. Seems to be a very oddly delicate subject on TBH when it comes to first responders. I always take people at face value until they show me something different.......regrettably the 80/20 rule tends to prove itself correct!
Here's how a lot of first responders (me) view it. In the movie Lonesome Dove one of the good guys went running around with some scum. Before they hung him one of them said, "I love ya boy but you crossed the line". These guys most likely crossed the line, hang em.
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Old 01-08-2014, 09:53 AM   #15
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Bad apples makes the bunch look bad, send them to jail and make them return the money. PTSD is something that can be manipulated to the advantage of someone who knows the system, I know this cause I have a family member that gets disability from PTSD and not only have they never been in the military or a first responder but they have never really been gainfully employed, sad really.
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Old 01-08-2014, 10:03 AM   #16
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How about.......

BENGHAZI
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EXECUTIVE ORDER AFTER ORDER TO MANIPULATE HEALTHCARE


It all starts at the top.....JUST SAYING!
Court records show it started before 911 so ya gotta go back even further to get to the top! Really sad where we are........Just saying!
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Old 01-08-2014, 10:27 AM   #17
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Court records show it started before 911 so ya gotta go back even further to get to the top! Really sad where we are........Just saying!
I gotcha Oscar!

An interesting summary, dealing with our first responders mentioned in this latest scandal would be "WHO DID YOU VOTE FOR NYC MAYOR?"



This famous quote was made under OATH.

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Old 01-08-2014, 10:55 AM   #18
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Jail, make them repay and/or take away their pensions.
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Old 01-08-2014, 11:05 AM   #19
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I gotcha Oscar!

An interesting summary, dealing with our first responders mentioned in this latest scandal would be "WHO DID YOU VOTE FOR NYC MAYOR?"



This famous quote was made under OATH.

Bwahahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!
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Old 01-08-2014, 12:35 PM   #20
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I've worked that area and met several first responders from 911 and several of their widows as well. Several of them are ate up with cancer and whatnot from all the dust and stuff they were breathing. Sad deal for sure. That said i will say some of them seemed to be playing the system. Happens in every profession.
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Old 01-08-2014, 02:38 PM   #21
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Bad apples makes the bunch look bad, send them to jail and make them return the money. PTSD is something that can be manipulated to the advantage of someone who knows the system, I know this cause I have a family member that gets disability from PTSD and not only have they never been in the military or a first responder but they have never really been gainfully employed, sad really.
PTSD , well I better hold back on what I think of that
But, anyone who wants to get paid for not doing work ( welfare ) can say that they got the PTSD and very likely they will get that disability check. It was said a long time ago, when the population of any country realizes they can. Ore themselves a raise/ free money that country has not long to live
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Old 01-08-2014, 02:41 PM   #22
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Gaming the system. One found out how to do it and spread the news.

I hope they all get maximum penalties for it.
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Old 01-08-2014, 02:42 PM   #23
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I've worked that area and met several first responders from 911 and several of their widows as well. Several of them are ate up with cancer and whatnot from all the dust and stuff they were breathing. Sad deal for sure. That said i will say some of them seemed to be playing the system. Happens in every profession.
I thought that there were hundreds of millions in donations specifically for 911 first responders and their family's. Anyone remember that? Not one of them or their family members should be on any system. I guess those donations went to line someone else's pockets instead of those it was sent in for
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Old 01-08-2014, 04:24 PM   #24
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I thought that there were hundreds of millions in donations specifically for 911 first responders and their family's. Anyone remember that? Not one of them or their family members should be on any system. I guess those donations went to line someone else's pockets instead of those it was sent in for

There was. But can you IMAGINE the gnashing of teeth and the pile-on that would occur if ANYONE suggested that the private funds raised were "enough" and that any 1st responder should, therefore, be exempted from other standard taxpayer-funded benefits?? I wouldn't want to be that guy.

Supposedly, the "ring leader" is an 89 year-old man that's a lawyer or a benefit expert that's been teaching these guys how to game the system for disability since the 80's. Of course, 9/11 created the biggest opportunity for them to scam the system.

I'm actually pretty surprised that they went after these guys. In NY especially, the PD and FD are almost mafia-like in the way they protect their own; and since 9/11, the adoration for the departments has been, not surprisingly, elevated to new heights. It's kind of a relief that, in spite of that culture of protectionism and exaltation, there's still some accountability. If money wasn't squandered like that, imagine how much more would be available to deserving recipients! I hope they ALL get the maximum civil and criminal penalties.

I'm going to be interested to see where the union reps come down on this.
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Old 01-08-2014, 05:01 PM   #25
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If all the private funds were actually givin to the people it was supposed to go to they would all have bank accounts in the millions.
I never agreed with tax payers giving surviving family of any 911 victims money much less the millions they got.
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Old 01-08-2014, 05:05 PM   #26
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These public servants should all end up in prison
Their families should not be able to keep any pension they might be receiving
And if that leaves their wife's and children destitute so be it
But in the end, I doubt there will be any lasting pain for these folks
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Old 01-08-2014, 05:17 PM   #27
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Remember, New York City has over 34,500 uniformed police officers and over 10,700 uniformed firefighters. Not counting the corrections officers that's 45,200 plus public servants and only 100 of them (maybe a score or two more) are prosecuted for this. That's 1 out of every 452 officers. Not a bad stat.

There are definitely some butt heads out there tho. And they need to go to jail
As I was reading through this thread I was wondering how many LEO/FF there are up there, thanks for bringing that up.

To put it in perspective, even if there are 200 charged that is .004%.

I wish I could hire good people at that rate,......
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Old 01-08-2014, 06:59 PM   #28
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Like any other profession there is always a small percentage that make it tough on the good ones. I have no mercy on them and hope they spend a life in jail.
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