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    #16
    Originally posted by Landrover View Post
    Like I said.......communistic in nature.[emoji107] I know better than you......I'm the government! !![emoji19]

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    Couldn't agree more. I would move heaven and earth to do whatever I thought could/would help my child!

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      #17
      Originally posted by Kmart49 View Post
      Couldn't agree more. I would move heaven and earth to do whatever I thought could/would help my child!
      .....and that is the bottom line!!![emoji120]

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        #18
        Originally posted by Landrover View Post
        Wow! If that is a fact it is clearly saying that parents don't have the ability to raise a child. Now that would be communistic at worse and socialist at best. Really sad for a nation as old as England.[emoji15]

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        That is "it takes a village" in practice. Coming soon to a Nation near you.

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          #19
          Originally posted by Landrover View Post
          Time was not on Charlies side, but this started last November! !![emoji34] 5 weeks ago they wanted to come over the pond. The stinking courts said no......why? ??
          My child, wife and I would be dead if this nation tried stopping us from searching for an answer on my own dime.....or donated funds from around the globe. Why would the government even want to intervene at all?? Just odd I tell ya!![emoji72]



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          The last thing a Socialist govt wants is fir that baby to go to a free market system and actually be cured.



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            #20
            Brother from a self employed man who can only afford the insurance through the government I wish I had the health care that is available in UK. That said that's about the only thing I prefer in the Uk but I'm suprised to see this they do take pretty good care of their people. I was burn there and half my family is still there. This is the first year of my life to have health insurance and I only bought it because
            I was fined 1400 last year for not having it. Trust me paying out of pocket for health insurance is not fun and could lead to a shorter life expectancy

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              #21
              Originally posted by J Sweet View Post
              The last thing a Socialist govt wants is fir that baby to go to a free market system and actually be cured.



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              Never thought about that

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                #22
                I grew up in the UK. National Health is crap, its as bad as our VA. Both single payer. Taxes there are insane, someone has to pay for it.


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                  #23
                  Originally posted by forest-hunter View Post
                  Brother from a self employed man who can only afford the insurance through the government I wish I had the health care that is available in UK. That said that's about the only thing I prefer in the Uk but I'm suprised to see this they do take pretty good care of their people. I was burn there and half my family is still there. This is the first year of my life to have health insurance and I only bought it because
                  I was fined 1400 last year for not having it. Trust me paying out of pocket for health insurance is not fun and could lead to a shorter life expectancy
                  Trust me, I feel your pain. A $1400 penalty for not purchasing an overpriced, mandated service. RIDICULOUS. People like you and I really take it in the teeth but the answer isn't forcing our neighbors at gunpoint to pay for our family's needs. If you need help, there is probably not a person on this site that would have a problem helping you and your family. I wouldn't hesitate but please understand, we already have that system and it is grossly mismanaged by a Government bureau. What the Government giveth, the Government can taketh away.

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                    #24
                    Originally posted by Livin'2hunt View Post
                    In the U.K., a one year old baby named Charlie Gard is now going to die because the single-payer system would not permit the child travel to the United States for the treatment and cure awaiting his arrival. The parents had to sue Parliament in order to permit the treatment because he was locked into mandated single-payer. If Charlie would have received treatment early after diagnosis, his life could have been saved but the protracted litigation will prohibit effective treatment. This IS a death panel system. Forgive me if I don't see the upside to it.

                    Think about it
                    One govt would not pay for a patient to fly to another country for medical treatment

                    No medical plan in the USA public or private will fly you to Spain to get stem cell treatments.

                    The example you gave here is not single payer related at all.

                    Name one medical insurance program in the top 50 countries in the world that will pay for its members to fly to another country to seek treatment in a non emergency setting.

                    You won't be able to find one.

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                      #25
                      Originally posted by Livin'2hunt View Post
                      If you need help, there is probably not a person on this site that would have a problem helping you and your family. I wouldn't hesitate but please understand, we already have that system and it is grossly mismanaged by a Government bureau. What the Government giveth, the Government can taketh away.
                      I didn't see a gofundme set up for goldeneagle's medical bills.
                      It's laughable you think charity will be able to cure the countries medical care cost problems.

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                        #26
                        Originally posted by sir shovelhands View Post
                        While I agree that it's ridiculous that the courts should be able to tell parents they can't get experimental treatments to help their child,

                        Regardless, the treatment doesn't cause any problems, so it couldn't have hurt to try. I'm all for experimental medicine in such scenarios.
                        The us govt won't allow you to smoke mary j to assist with your cancer treatment when studies have shown it to be beneficial.

                        Instead of a $5 joint the us govt wants you to swallow a $5,000 pill.

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                          #27
                          Originally posted by Kmart49 View Post
                          It's my understanding that unlike in the US, a child's rights/decision trump their parents in the U.K. and many other countries. Because the child could not make a decision for themselves, it was under the jurisdiction of the courts to decide on behalf of the kid. The courts believed that it was in his best interest to have life support removed hence why the parents had to file an injunction to prevent that from happening.
                          It's the same in the USA
                          Your kid belongs to the state of Texas before they belong to you
                          Even afterwards there are many areas where the govt can step in and dictate what you can or can't do with your child

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                            #28
                            Originally posted by Landrover View Post
                            Time was not on Charlies side, but this started last November! !![emoji34] 5 weeks ago they wanted to come over the pond. The stinking courts said no......why? ??
                            My child, wife and I would be dead if this nation tried stopping us from searching for an answer on my own dime.....or donated funds from around the globe. Why would the government even want to intervene at all?? Just odd I tell ya!![emoji72]

                            I concur![emoji35]

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                            This same thing happens in the USA
                            I knew I recalled a similar case
                            Courts and doctors are saying the kid was dead but family wanted to give it the old hail Mary
                            They had to sue in order to take their child from California to Jersey for experimental treatment

                            This was not because of single payer.

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                              #29
                              How can you still be breathing 3 years after the coroner pronounced you dead and signed your death certificate?
                              You know, once that death certificate was signed the family could collect on life insurance

                              This girl is breathing in a hospital bed in New Jersey as you're reading this in 2017

                              Oh what a tangled web....



                              On January 5, 2014, Children's Hospital released McMath's body to the Alameda County coroner. The coroner's office had issued an official death certificate for McMath on January 3, 2014, with the date of death listed as December 12, 2013. The death certificate was incomplete, pending an autopsy to determine cause of death.[38] After receiving custody of her body from Children's Hospital, the Coroner then released her to the custody of her mother, who was warned of and assumed all risk regarding cardiac arrest during the transfer.[39][40][41] The family moved the girl to an undisclosed location where a tracheostomy was performed and a feeding tube was inserted.[42]

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                                #30
                                Originally posted by texansfan View Post
                                http://www.sfchronicle.com/bayarea/a...t-11319544.php


                                This same thing happens in the USA
                                I knew I recalled a similar case
                                Courts and doctors are saying the kid was dead but family wanted to give it the old hail Mary
                                They had to sue in order to take their child from California to Jersey for experimental treatment

                                This was not because of single payer.
                                Touche'......fair analogy. I do remember that incident.

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