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    #46
    European wildlife is largely privatized. A much smaller number of hunters are conditioned to pay more dearly for their passion than we in North America. Our forefathers set things up differently. After the excesses of the pioneering era, American wildlife was in tattered remnants. It was a long road back, and we were fortunate to have Theodore Roosevelt leading the charge. Roosevelt believed, and stated, that hunters and anglers should bear the brunt of funding for wildlife management and conservation and this is how our system, the “North American Model” of wildlife conservation and management, was set up and has evolved. We believe that wildlife is a public trust resource, held in stewardship by all. We also believe in democracy of hunting and fishing, that all citizens in good standing, subject to licensing and sensible harvest goals, should have access to the resource. It is these two principles that have created this largest hunting public on Earth, with relatively free access to tens of millions of acres of public land.
    In return, as Roosevelt envisioned, we sportsmen and women foot the brunt of the bill for wildlife management. Our hunting and fishing licenses provide the basic funding for state agencies, but it was recognized many years ago that this wasn’t enough. The Federal Aid in Wildlife Restoration Act, known as the Pittman-Robertson Act, passed into law in 1937, places a hefty 11 percent federal excise tax on firearms and ammunition. It was amended in 1975 to include bows, arrows and archery tackle. In 1950, a similar tax was added to fishing tackle. Passed on to state wildlife and fishery departments by the federal government, these taxes have raised billions of dollars for wildlife management. This, too, has never been enough, but American hunters also donate around a billion dollars annually to private conservation groups. Those groups obviously include our own Safari Club International and Foundation, but the list of pro-hunting conservation groups is long and varied.
    On this continent we, the hunting and fishing public, provide the bulk of the funding so that wildlife can be enjoyed by all — hikers, bikers, boaters, photographers, anti-hunters, everyone. If not us, then who? Our system, funded by us, has developed over the past century, and in that time has restored our wildlife from rags to riches: Pronghorns from 5,000 with extinction predicted to more than a million; wild turkeys from 100,000 to seven million; whitetail deer from a half-million to 32 million; elk from 41,000 to more than a million. Our system has worked and is working…and there is no alternative funding.

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      #47
      Originally posted by J Sweet View Post
      Not going to read it, give it a rest. It really isn't that important and its subjective so there is no way to reconcile.
      Don't talk about the European system being so great if you don't know the facts.

      It really is very important. People in our state don't understand the importance because we have very little public land. Our state already sold most all of our public land to the highest bidder. Now we pay $2,500 a gun to go shoot 100" deer if we can find a decent lease.

      Folks out west (or whoever wants to travel) can hunt for only the cost of a tag, on millions of acres our American public lands. It needs to stay public and not be given to the states to sell off. We have the best public lands system on earth. Thanks to Teddy Roosevelt for the vision had. Otherwise we would likely be on the TX birdwatchers forum right now arguing about politics.

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        #48
        Originally posted by Traildust View Post
        I was looking more at this:

        Here's how the Justice Department described Steven Hammond's actions, in a statement after he was resentenced:

        "Witnesses at trial, including a relative of the Hammonds, testified the arson occurred shortly after Steven Hammond and his hunting party illegally slaughtered several deer on BLM property. Jurors were told that Steven Hammond handed out 'Strike Anywhere' matches with instructions that they be lit and dropped on the ground because they were going to 'light up the whole country on fire.' One witness testified that he barely escaped the eight to ten foot high flames caused by the arson."

        Might be BS, just funny how this was never mentioned. Always Trumpers love it though!
        a lot of drama around that family. I understand agricultural practices and customs but it appears they were sideways with BLM for decades. BLM has issues which we all agree, but it seems the family was determined to do it their way. Kongrats on the pardon!
        Originally posted by Phillip Fields View Post
        "At trial, jurors heard from a hunting guide, a hunter and the hunter’s father, who saw the Hammonds illegally, slaughter a herd of deer on public land. At least seven deer were shot with others limping or running from the scene. Less than two hours later, the hunting guide and the hunter and his father, were forced to abandon their campsite because a fire was burning in the area where the deer had been shot. The hunting guide’s testimony and photographs established fires were burning hours before Steven Hammond called the BLM and said he was going to do a burn of invasive species in the area. "
        wow!
        Oh well, the pardon is done and that is our presidents prerogative......since George Washington's days and the Whiskey Rebellion. Over the eon's there have been tons of odd pardons.

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          #49
          Originally posted by Landrover View Post
          [B] It is these two principles that have created this largest hunting public on Earth, with relatively free access to tens of millions of acres of public land.
          But what if the feds start taking back the land?

          When the U.S. government declared the Mojave desert tortoise an endangered species in 1989, it effectively marked the cattle ranchers of Nevada's Clark County for extinction. When the tortoise was listed in 1989, Las Vegas, the county seat, was one of the fastest-growing U.S. cities. For Vegas to spread even an inch farther into the tortoise-filled desert risked a federal offense under the Endangered Species Act.

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            #50
            Originally posted by batmaninja View Post
            But what if the feds start taking back the land?



            When the U.S. government declared the Mojave desert tortoise an endangered species in 1989, it effectively marked the cattle ranchers of Nevada's Clark County for extinction. When the tortoise was listed in 1989, Las Vegas, the county seat, was one of the fastest-growing U.S. cities. For Vegas to spread even an inch farther into the tortoise-filled desert risked a federal offense under the Endangered Species Act.

            That's exactly what the BLM and EPA are trying to do.



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              #51
              Originally posted by LWC View Post
              Don't talk about the European system being so great if you don't know the facts.

              It really is very important. People in our state don't understand the importance because we have very little public land. Our state already sold most all of our public land to the highest bidder. Now we pay $2,500 a gun to go shoot 100" deer if we can find a decent lease.

              Folks out west (or whoever wants to travel) can hunt for only the cost of a tag, on millions of acres our American public lands. It needs to stay public and not be given to the states to sell off. We have the best public lands system on earth. Thanks to Teddy Roosevelt for the vision had. Otherwise we would likely be on the TX birdwatchers forum right now arguing about politics.
              Blah blah blah. I truly feel sorry for you. Drive on elsewhere now.

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                #52
                Originally posted by batmaninja View Post
                But what if the feds start taking back the land?

                When the U.S. government declared the Mojave desert tortoise an endangered species in 1989, it effectively marked the cattle ranchers of Nevada's Clark County for extinction. When the tortoise was listed in 1989, Las Vegas, the county seat, was one of the fastest-growing U.S. cities. For Vegas to spread even an inch farther into the tortoise-filled desert risked a federal offense under the Endangered Species Act.
                Lord knows anything can happen but supposedly we are getting back to par. [emoji848]One of the presidents platform is to roll BLM and EPA back. Pruitt did a great drive by on EPA until he loses his mind.🤪 Now Zinke has been given the keys.....high time to drive the train thru all the beauracrats in BLM. [emoji577] That was the promise to NRA and SCI memberships at the conventions.

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                  #53
                  Originally posted by batmaninja View Post
                  But what if the feds start taking back the land?
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                  Feds haven't shown a pattern of selling off public lands. The states have. Feds don't do much right. But they handle public lands much better than the states have in the past....when it comes to keeping public lands public, and open for access to normal folk.

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                    #54
                    Originally posted by J Sweet View Post
                    Blah blah blah. I truly feel sorry for you. Drive on elsewhere now.
                    Well said, as usual

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                      #55
                      Originally posted by LWC View Post
                      Well said, as usual
                      Yawn.

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