OH - local Leo failure, yet again!

[JLivi1224]

All the signs were there!

https://www.daytondailynews.com/news/local/new-details-dayton-shooter-obsessed-with-killing-bellbrook-classmates-say/uCuyd2JeZzo70NDgArsqOI/amp.html

[rut-ro]

Wow. Mental health is a huge issue. We do not treat it. We medicate it and can not force anyone to take the meds. Look at Austin. Austin state hospital medicates individuals to where they appear to be ok and then let them out. Nowhere to go and no money and they stop taking meds, next think you have is a bunch of homeless mental patients running around town

[doghouse]

Not sure about blaming the LEO's. Most doctors cannot talk about their patients. Do you listen to a bunch of teenagers about a person they do not trust. Tough situation for all involved. I have no answers.

[lunatic'hunter]

And he was walking out there amongst them.

[rut-ro]

Not sure about blaming the LEO's. Most doctors cannot talk about their patients. Do you listen to a bunch of teenagers about a person they do not trust. Tough situation for all involved. I have no answers.

No, but someone should have mentioned something to someone to get the help he needed. I do not know the whole story such as was there medication he dod not take or stopped taking? Hippa las can be a pain however, Drs know what is right and wrong

[doghouse]

No, but someone should have mentioned something to someone to get the help he needed. I do not know the whole story such as was there medication he dod not take or stopped taking? Hippa las can be a pain however, Drs know what is right and wrong

It's not right are wrong. Dr's lips have to be sealed.

[MadHatter]

Wow. Mental health is a huge issue. We do not treat it. We medicate it and can not force anyone to take the meds. Look at Austin. Austin state hospital medicates individuals to where they appear to be ok and then let them out. Nowhere to go and no money and they stop taking meds, next think you have is a bunch of homeless mental patients running around town

Man you ain't kidding. I'm here now for some Osha training. There's about a dozen or so camped out behind the 7-11 across from the hotel. Staring at the trees, talking, but to no one, just sitting in the dirt, etc..
Not like the hippie transit type, these are smooth off their rocker.
#Howard&35

[JLivi1224]

Wow. Mental health is a huge issue. We do not treat it. We medicate it and can not force anyone to take the meds. Look at Austin. Austin state hospital medicates individuals to where they appear to be ok and then let them out. Nowhere to go and no money and they stop taking meds, next think you have is a bunch of homeless mental patients running around town

Sadly, i had Cousin-n-law, if you will, take his own life in a scenario like this.

[tradtiger]

No easy legal answer. Problem dramatized in movie "Minority Report", where savant beings could see into the future and tell who would commit crimes.

Can't actually see into the future.

Yet, this impending "red flag" legislation will no-doubt attempt to predict who is a danger and, therefore, immediately stripped of due process as weapons are confiscated (probably in no-knock, battering-ram raids). Will these be prompted by mad ex-wives/-girlfriends, strangers taking behavior out of context... or what?

[Froggy]

Every Mass Shooting has Something in Common

and it's not weapons.

https://www.ammoland.com/2013/04/every-mass-shooting-in-the-last-20-years-shares-psychotropic-drugs/?fbclid=IwAR24pjjLbJNfxD7GbsNK6-Meg8_UU8rmvnJF8SKigG9kP91v12ouNPi9ZQc#ixzz5vanIKJxr

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"The overwhelming evidence points to the signal largest common factor in all of these incidents is the fact that all of the perpetrators were either actively taking powerful psychotropic drugs or had been at some point in the immediate past before they committed their crimes."

[JLivi1224]

No easy legal answer. Problem dramatized in movie "Minority Report", where savant beings could see into the future and tell who would commit crimes.

Can't actually see into the future.

Yet, this impending "red flag" legislation will no-doubt attempt to predict who is a danger and, therefore, immediately stripped of due process as weapons are confiscated (probably in no-knock, battering-ram raids). Will these be prompted by mad ex-wives/-girlfriends, strangers taking behavior out of context... or what?

Red flag laws usurp due process. Slippery slope. This can easily be abused.

[JLivi1224]

and it's not weapons.

https://www.ammoland.com/2013/04/every-mass-shooting-in-the-last-20-years-shares-psychotropic-drugs/?fbclid=IwAR24pjjLbJNfxD7GbsNK6-Meg8_UU8rmvnJF8SKigG9kP91v12ouNPi9ZQc#ixzz5vanIKJxr

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"The overwhelming evidence points to the signal largest common factor in all of these incidents is the fact that all of the perpetrators were either actively taking powerful psychotropic drugs or had been at some point in the immediate past before they committed their crimes."

Johnathan Gilliam talked about it on david Webb’s show today. It was the first mention I’ve heard of it on any large platform.

[jer_james]

If they have found you to have a "hit list" or "rap* list". You are subsequently kicked out of school for a period of time because of those lists / texts. I dont care if you never have the ability to own a gun.

[RJH1]

If they have found you to have a "hit list" or "rap* list". You are subsequently kicked out of school for a period of time because of those lists / texts. I dont care if you never have the ability to own a gun.

Would a person who at one time made said list also not get a car, gas, bow, knife, pointy stick, baseball bat, hatchet, piece of rope, piece of wire, length of pipe, rock,and does he have to wear cushy mittens for life? Just looking for the line you are drawing, is it actually about hurting others, or just guns?

[jer_james]

Would a person who at one time made said list also not get a car, gas, bow, knife, pointy stick, baseball bat, hatchet, piece of rope, piece of wire, length of pipe, rock,and does he have to wear cushy mittens for life? Just looking for the line you are drawing, is it actually about hurting others, or just guns?

Guns / bow would be good to take away for me. I'd say okay for a butter knife.

It's about the ability to hurt others.