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    #31
    I get it, if someone thought they could be a GREAT guitar player, they could spend all their time playing guitar. Only problem is, who thinks they would make a great garbage man and spend all their time dealing with garbage?

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      #32
      Originally posted by Graysonhogs View Post
      Do you sell timeshares by chance?
      haha, thanks for the good laugh. and no, no I do not, but i know a guy who will

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        #33
        Originally posted by topshot View Post
        I think what he is going for is this: many people are in the race to make ends meet, stuck doing jobs that they hate, and aren't good at, unable to pursue the jobs that they have natural giftings to do. not because they don't want to work and produce goods, but because they are stuck in a cycle of debt and cannot escape that to pursue the work that they would truly excel in, and find interesting, which would INCREASE productivity and quality since there would be passion behind their work.

        I doubt he is saying we should give 10k to lazy people who don't want to do anything...

        I'm all for empowering people to step into their true callings in life, it will produce far more benefits to the culture than people drudging on in their day to day monotony.

        is his method the right one...i dont know.

        ask yourself this question, Do I love what I do day-to-day and feel like I am helping to make the world a better place through my contributions at work?

        if not - wouldn't you love the opportunity to shift into a position doing the thing you are gifted in, so you can grow and contribute to the world around you?
        Man, puff and pass, don't bogart the good stuff while philosophizing about wealth re-distribution.

        If they mis-manage their current financial resources, giving them free money will only give them more money to mismanage. You honestly think the avaerage American is going to take 10K and pay off debt or start a business, or go buy a new 4K tv?

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          #34
          Originally posted by topshot View Post
          haha, thanks for the good laugh. and no, no I do not, but i know a guy who will

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            #35
            .” A new social contract is needed, he said, that explores universal income, affordable child care and a health care system where citizens are not tied to one employer;

            In other words, this billionaire elitist believes we the tax payer should be flipping the bill for more welfare! Hey Zuckerberg, how about you, Bill Gates, Warren Buffet and the rest of you Socialist idiots giving up 99% for your money to finance your welfare dreams!

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              #36
              Because he is successful off of a stolen social media idea all of a sudden he knows how to rule the world. It’s funny how as soon as someone get filthy rich they figure they can tell the world what they need and what to do.

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                #37
                Originally posted by jerp View Post
                The idea is they would first do away with all other safety net programs - welfare, food stamps, etc. Even with that, the studies I have read say it would only be revenue neutral if there was a phase-out of the benefit at some income level, so it would not be anywhere near "Universal." Like many progressive ideas it sounds good "in theory". The extra income could free people up to pursue their dreams and what they have a passion for. In theory this could unleash all kinds of hidden genius. (maybe?)
                There are multiple downsides, IMO. First of all it fundamentally changes the relationship between the citizen and the state. We already have a sizable percentage of the population that sees the government as the provider of their needs. Do we want to expand that to everybody? Like many progressive ideas the flaw is due to their misunderstanding of basic human nature. When giving the chance, many, many people will take the path of least resistance - doing the least amount of work possible to get their basic needs met. It also cheapens the value of work. Any work - no matter how humble - builds character. Being self reliant adds meaning, purpose and a sense of self worth. Living off the labor of others - whether from inheritance or welfare - often magnifies the worst aspects of human nature.
                This plus the massive inflation that will soon follow because of artificially flooding the system with money that isn't derived from productivity.

                We need this stuff taught in grade school again. It's not hard to understand!

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                  #38
                  I followed his premise even with the lofty social appeal. I don't believe he has thought this thru.........lol!

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                    #39
                    Originally posted by Playa View Post
                    Man, puff and pass, don't bogart the good stuff while philosophizing about wealth re-distribution.

                    If they mis-manage their current financial resources, giving them free money will only give them more money to mismanage. You honestly think the avaerage American is going to take 10K and pay off debt or start a business, or go buy a new 4K tv?
                    i in no way advocate for wealth distribution. instead i am presenting the idea that people should do what they are gifted in. in so doing they will produce better ideas, products, results etc...rather than grinding for 30 years, hoping to make it to retirement so they can enjoy life.

                    should tax payers pay for that? we already do imo. why not shift from social support to social incentive? my company pays me for school, as long as i make the grade...yet our govt hands out the money that you and i earn to people who dont work; wouldnt it be better if that same money went to someone after they produced a positive result instead of before.

                    and dont think you will ever get the goverment to stop the handouts, thats not reality.
                    Last edited by topshot; 05-26-2017, 02:53 PM.

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                      #40
                      That morons speech was straight out of Ayn Rand's "Atlas Shrugged" written in 1954 predicting the future... and here we are... this is just the beginning.


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                        #41
                        Originally posted by Big Al View Post
                        .” A new social contract is needed, he said, that explores universal income, affordable child care and a health care system where citizens are not tied to one employer;

                        In other words, this billionaire elitist believes we the tax payer should be flipping the bill for more welfare! Hey Zuckerberg, how about you, Bill Gates, Warren Buffet and the rest of you Socialist idiots giving up 99% for your money to finance your welfare dreams!
                        That's what I always say. If they are such beleivers in handouts they should put their money where their mouth is. I'm not too good to cash a check they send me for doing nothing.

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                          #42
                          Originally posted by Biggs View Post
                          That morons speech was straight out of Ayn Rand's "Atlas Shrugged"
                          I was going there and erased my first response! Atlas has already shrugged and there is no sign of John Galt!!!

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                            #43
                            A mix of Rand and Itiocracy

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                              #44
                              Originally posted by rferg84 View Post
                              Elon Musk is the champion of this right now, Zuck is just jumping on the bandwagon.

                              Read some of what Musk has written about it, not saying I'm in favor in our current economic system. His take though is that as technology advances, there could be a day where there is very little need for jobs.

                              He doesn't advocate that people couldn't make more, but that the potential for humans not working could be there. You could still own a factory with no employees and deliver a product.

                              Its a complex idea.
                              Yep. Currently we're in the phase where new technology is creating jobs. At some point, we'll have become advanced enough that we'll see a drastic increase in automation that will replace huge segments of the work force. Then the only jobs will be in designing and fixing robots. Then we'll make robots that can design and fix themselves. And then they'll become sentient and we'll have to send some dude back in time to get some chick pregnant so her baby can win the robot war in the future........

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                                #45
                                Originally posted by Landrover View Post
                                I was going there and erased my first response! Atlas has already shrugged and there is no sign of John Galt!!!


                                Where is John Galt?


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