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    Originally posted by breederbuck33 View Post
    I'd have to disagree with you as well. Maybe the term "Natural" is the term he is going for instead of "Native". They are native from a genetic standpoint inside and outside a breeder program, but the fact that that deer is pasture born and naturally occurred with minimal human influence is much more impressive than one that came from a breeding program.
    Correct, it is not the natural process, but they are absolutely 100% native.

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      Originally posted by redfishted View Post
      Correct, it is not the natural process, but they are absolutely 100% native.
      They are bred in captivity. At what point f-1 to f-20 do they become non native then.

      A native deer is the beginning, but it isn’t the result.

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        Originally posted by Encinal View Post
        They are bred in captivity. At what point f-1 to f-20 do they become non native then.

        A native deer is the beginning, but it isn’t the result.
        They are 100% native until outside genetics are introduced.

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          That’s exactly what a breeding does, introduces non-native genetics.

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            Originally posted by Encinal View Post
            That’s exactly what a breeding does, introduces non-native genetics.
            So what by your definition would be a native deer?

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              No hands on movement or genetic manipulation of the animal or it’s ancestors.

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                So if you had a 5k ranch, trapped 20 doe and a buck, put them in a pen, turned them and their offspring out 10 months later, which deer would be not native?

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                  That is a really handsome looking deer along with the horns...neat looking.

                  Thanks for sharing...the vid was outstanding.

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                    Awesome buck Marko! Amazing what kind of animals great genetics and management can produce. It’s really special when you can get it done without taking shortcuts.

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                      Originally posted by redfishted View Post
                      So if you had a 5k ranch, trapped 20 doe and a buck, put them in a pen, turned them and their offspring out 10 months later, which deer would be not native?
                      The offspring.

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                        Originally posted by Encinal View Post
                        The offspring.
                        Cant see the logic in that thought, none the less he's an awesome deer, best of luck with him, Merry Christmas.

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                          Originally posted by redfishted View Post
                          Cant see the logic in that thought, none the less he's an awesome deer, best of luck with him, Merry Christmas.
                          And what if you then caught all the does that were the product of the first breeding and bred them back to a brother... and then did it again, and again, and again... and again...

                          At what point does that herd become something other than all the other herds around it that haven’t done that?

                          That’s the entire point of DMP... to manually change the herd genetically... how can you change it like that and have it still be native?

                          You don’t get to have your cake and eat it too.
                          Last edited by Encinal; 12-22-2017, 05:51 PM.

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                            Originally posted by Encinal View Post
                            If you are deciding who breeds who and increasing an individual bucks influence on your herd by large magnitudes... and then breeding back as is so often the case, it’s a breeding program and you have gone away from native.

                            You can’t breed deer and be 100% native. You can have 100% Texas genetics, but you aren’t native anymore.
                            Agree with this statement 100%.

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                              Keep doing what your doing Marko

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                                Originally posted by Encinal View Post
                                The offspring.
                                So if they are not native, what are they? Everything is native to something, what are these offspring, certainly not introduced, they are born of parents that are native, they were born on your place, they can be nothing but native.

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