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GLM 05-10-2018 07:42 AM

QDMA Seminar in Dayton
 
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QDMA is holding a meeting in Dayton on May 17. Speakers include the founder of QDMA and prominent deer experts on property management.

GLM 05-13-2018 04:57 PM

No comments? Curious - what are your thoughts on QDMA? Has it fallen from glory like Ducks Unlimited?

bukkskin 05-13-2018 09:38 PM

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Originally Posted by GLM (Post 13370987)
No comments? Curious - what are your thoughts on QDMA? Has it fallen from glory like Ducks Unlimited?

I think Darton likes them(one tbh), but he is in Oklahoma so his voice doesn't really carry much weight here in Texas as he has No idea how it is Here.
Personally, I think they are a bunch of self righteous blow hards that pick and choose their sources and data to further their own self interest.
But, what do I know?
You should go and report back your findings to US Texas boys.;)

lovemylegacy 05-16-2018 07:13 PM

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Originally Posted by GLM (Post 13370987)
No comments? Curious - what are your thoughts on QDMA? Has it fallen from glory like Ducks Unlimited?

I think they are relevant as far as info is concerned or maybe I should say accurate. As far as if they are self righteous, I have no idea. I have read a lot of their info and I like what I read. The info doesn't cater to one level of deer hunting/management/plots. They discuss and provide info from everything from micro plots to buck "culling", doe management, timber management, large plots, native plants as a cultivated food source...well you get the idea.

GLM 05-16-2018 07:38 PM

I have been a QDMA member for 12 years. I really enjoy their bi-monthly magazine. It has a lot of good articles on food plots and timber management from the deers prospective.
I also enjoyed their forum but they discontinued it a few years ago. Lots of good people on that forum who offered assistance on various subjects (much like the members on TBH).
I think the leaders are genuinely interested in deer management and want to help others in achieving there management goals. However, I am also convinced that they have to treat it like a business. Othewise they won’t survive.
I am looking forward to meeting them at the Dayton meeting and hopefully learning a few things from their presentations.

elgato 05-16-2018 10:09 PM

I’ve been a member of qdma since the beginning. I think they have offered a lot of good advice thru the years especially to small landowners. I especially like the food plot book they published years back. On net I think they have been an asset

However. I think they are quite hypocritical on several fronts. They range from noncommittal to negative on the use of game fences for deer mgt. fascinating since Al Brothers is so prominently acknowledged including representing one of their highest awards. Al Brothers was on the leading edge of using game fencing as a mgt tool and one of the earlier adopters. I believe they could provide a great service offering accurate non emotional facts on the pros cons of game fencing.

They are prominent advocates against deer breeding. Fascinating since they have given their highest awards to Dr Harry Jacobson and frequently quote his research and the contributions he has made to deer mgt. Dr Jacobson was on the leading edge of creating the deer breeding industry as well as managing the research facilities....read deer breeding facility...at Ms. State. I don’t think they are fair or responsible in their reporting or position here.

All that said I believe they provide reasonable introductory counsel on mgt and good info on habitat / food plot cultivation. I just disagree with their advocacy and believe they should offer a broader perspective on the world of deer mgt

bukkskin 05-17-2018 12:08 AM

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Originally Posted by elgato (Post 13378251)
I’ve been a member of qdma since the beginning. I think they have offered a lot of good advice thru the years especially to small landowners. I especially like the food plot book they published years back. On net I think they have been an asset

However. I think they are quite hypocritical on several fronts. They range from noncommittal to negative on the use of game fences for deer mgt. fascinating since Al Brothers is so prominently acknowledged including representing one of their highest awards. Al Brothers was on the leading edge of using game fencing as a mgt tool and one of the earlier adopters. I believe they could provide a great service offering accurate non emotional facts on the pros cons of game fencing.

They are prominent advocates against deer breeding. Fascinating since they have given their highest awards to Dr Harry Jacobson and frequently quote his research and the contributions he has made to deer mgt. Dr Jacobson was on the leading edge of creating the deer breeding industry as well as managing the research facilities....read deer breeding facility...at Ms. State. I don’t think they are fair or responsible in their reporting or position here.

All that said I believe they provide reasonable introductory counsel on mgt and good info on habitat / food plot cultivation. I just disagree with their advocacy and believe they should offer a broader perspective on the world of deer mgt

Rusty, when I grow up I want to be just like you!!!:)
Very accurate rundown on QDMA.
Great post, thanks

Black Ice 05-17-2018 12:17 AM

QDMA Seminar in Dayton
 
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Originally Posted by elgato (Post 13378251)
I’ve been a member of qdma since the beginning. I think they have offered a lot of good advice thru the years especially to small landowners. I especially like the food plot book they published years back. On net I think they have been an asset

However. I think they are quite hypocritical on several fronts. They range from noncommittal to negative on the use of game fences for deer mgt. fascinating since Al Brothers is so prominently acknowledged including representing one of their highest awards. Al Brothers was on the leading edge of using game fencing as a mgt tool and one of the earlier adopters. I believe they could provide a great service offering accurate non emotional facts on the pros cons of game fencing.

They are prominent advocates against deer breeding. Fascinating since they have given their highest awards to Dr Harry Jacobson and frequently quote his research and the contributions he has made to deer mgt. Dr Jacobson was on the leading edge of creating the deer breeding industry as well as managing the research facilities....read deer breeding facility...at Ms. State. I don’t think they are fair or responsible in their reporting or position here.

All that said I believe they provide reasonable introductory counsel on mgt and good info on habitat / food plot cultivation. I just disagree with their advocacy and believe they should offer a broader perspective on the world of deer mgt



There should be three books, low fence, high fence native herd, and high fence with introduced genetics.





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Radar 05-17-2018 07:03 AM

I am a member and enjoy their magazine as well. I really only read about plots and habitat. Never really thought too much about them being arrogant, as I only read the articles that interest me.

lovemylegacy 05-18-2018 03:33 PM

Well, how did it go? Was it everything you thought it would be?

GLM 05-18-2018 05:14 PM

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Originally Posted by lovemylegacy (Post 13381354)
Well, how did it go? Was it everything you thought it would be?

Most of the attendees were associated with QDMA or TPWD. Joe Hamilton had a presentation on the history of QDMA beginning in 1981. Kip Adams presentation was on Deer Harvest Statistics from each state.
There was a good Q&A with the panel ranging from “should spikes be killed?” to “should we provide supplemental feeding?”.
Interesting presentations and discussions.

lovemylegacy 05-18-2018 05:21 PM

I bet there was some good discussions. I could see that shooting spike theory, escalate to the shooting 8pts as culls. That discussion alone could go on for hours. I wish I could have been there.

Drycreek3189 05-20-2018 10:37 AM

Anticlimatic now maybe, but I think Rusty provided a pretty concise picture of my thoughts on QDMA. I predict that they will come out against feeders in the future, as I can see them creeping up on it now.

A lot of the former forum members are now on another forum, deerhunterforum.com

GLM 05-20-2018 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Drycreek3189 (Post 13383813)
Anticlimatic now maybe, but I think Rusty provided a pretty concise picture of my thoughts on QDMA. I predict that they will come out against feeders in the future, as I can see them creeping up on it now.

A lot of the former forum members are now on another forum, deerhunterforum.com

Actually QDMA is for feeders. It gives the hunter more time to observe the animal to help in the selection for management purposes. However, they are against any type of feeders in states with high cases of CWD. The disease is easily transferred where deer are concentrated to a very small area. Many states have made feeders illegal for the same reason.

I enjoyed QDMAs forum and was disappointed when they discontinued it. Alot of the old QDMA forum members have started Habitat Managers on Facebook.

texansfan 05-21-2018 07:54 PM

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Originally Posted by GLM (Post 13384028)

I enjoyed QDMAs forum and was disappointed when they discontinued it. Alot of the old QDMA forum members have started Habitat Managers on Facebook.

That place was a treasure trove of info!!!
Why'd they get rid of it?
I mean it was like Encyclopedia Brittanica for white tail

bukkskin 05-21-2018 11:23 PM

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Originally Posted by GLM (Post 13381504)
Most of the attendees were associated with QDMA or TPWD. Joe Hamilton had a presentation on the history of QDMA beginning in 1981. Kip Adams presentation was on Deer Harvest Statistics from each state.
There was a good Q&A with the panel ranging from “should spikes be killed?” to “should we provide supplemental feeding?”.
Interesting presentations and discussions.

What did they say about spikes and feeding?
No breeder bashing??????????:D

GLM 05-22-2018 06:47 AM

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Originally Posted by bukkskin (Post 13387151)
What did they say about spikes and feeding?
No breeder bashing??????????:D

Their take is bucks should be selected based on age. Supplemental feeding is ok as long as it is not used to increase the carrying capacity of the land. There was no breeder bashing.

Top Of Texas 05-22-2018 12:36 PM

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Originally Posted by GLM (Post 13387293)
Their take is bucks should be selected based on age. Supplemental feeding is ok as long as it is not used to increase the carrying capacity of the land. There was no breeder bashing.

Sounds like it was a fabulous seminar

Drycreek3189 05-22-2018 12:47 PM

Maybe they tailor the message to the audience. I see definite signs that they are against supplemental feeding in reading the articles. It's subtle, but it's there. Makes no difference to me, as I'm no longer a member. I quit when they ditched the forum.

GLM 05-25-2018 09:06 AM

Here’s a good article on QDM.

https://www.qdma.com/qdm-both-sides-of-the-coin/


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