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DKirk 03-20-2017 04:41 PM

I've been doing Keto since the New Year and dropped about 20lbs. You can use the MyFitnessPal and track your macros by percentage to see if your hitting your fat goals.

SwampRabbit 03-20-2017 04:46 PM

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Originally Posted by IkemanTX (Post 12292323)
I'm 172.8 today, and goal is 155. Not doing it quickly, just ending up there at some point.
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Originally Posted by IkemanTX (Post 12293093)
Someone skipped the reason I'm no longer simply "adjusting my eating habits and exercising so I burn more calories than I take in" anymore. That's what I was already doing.

Your diet is simply what you eat. How does a diet not work long term? Is this from assuming they will be abandoned once the goal is reached? If the change is permanent, I don't really see how the diet would stop working.


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Why do you feel you need to go from 172 down to 155? What is driving you to do that? Honestly, that is not a ton of weight to lose; and I wouldn't be in a hurry to get there unless you got a boxing or wrestling match coming up. ;)

The reason I ask is because I have been "fit" at many different weights in my lifetime. As an endurance athlete racing road bikes, I have been 160lbs with skinny freaking arms, and thunder thighs with 3% body fat and able to race 100+ miles at 20+ mph pace. I couldn't do a pull-up, but I could sprint on a bike at 30mph+ going up hill. Getting down to my clinical ideal weight for my height of 155lbs would be stupid. I also have been 175lbs and able to do P90X workouts without much trouble; I wasn't as snappy riding in the hills, but I wasn't racing either. I had a nice upper body, could do pull-ups, etc. I considered 175lbs to be my ideal weight for general fitness and strength - a far cry from the 155 on paper that my height should be at.

Normally, what I've seen from my buddies, is if they are not hitting their ideal weights and are heavy is because they are "skinny fat." Meaning they are thin, but just don't have the metabolism to support what they want to do. They lost weight, but are weaker. A lot of them lost weight on these paleo, or non-fat, or atkins style diets too.

I am not saying you are there, but I am curious where the 155 number comes from? I know I'll never hit my ideal BMI-crap-weight of 155. I will target to get down to 175 if I am strong.

icetrauma 03-20-2017 04:57 PM

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Originally Posted by SwampRabbit (Post 12293229)
Why do you feel you need to go from 172 down to 155? What is driving you to do that? Honestly, that is not a ton of weight to lose; and I wouldn't be in a hurry to get there unless you got a boxing or wrestling match coming up. ;)

The reason I ask is because I have been "fit" at many different weights in my lifetime. As an endurance athlete racing road bikes, I have been 160lbs with skinny freaking arms, and thunder thighs with 3% body fat and able to race 100+ miles at 20+ mph pace. I couldn't do a pull-up, but I could sprint on a bike at 30mph+ going up hill. Getting down to my clinical ideal weight for my height of 155lbs would be stupid. I also have been 175lbs and able to do P90X workouts without much trouble; I wasn't as snappy riding in the hills, but I wasn't racing either. I had a nice upper body, could do pull-ups, etc. I considered 175lbs to be my ideal weight for general fitness and strength - a far cry from the 155 on paper that my height should be at.

Normally, what I've seen from my buddies, is if they are not hitting their ideal weights and are heavy is because they are "skinny fat." Meaning they are thin, but just don't have the metabolism to support what they want to do. They lost weight, but are weaker. A lot of them lost weight on these paleo, or non-fat, or atkins style diets too.

I am not saying you are there, but I am curious where the 155 number comes from? I know I'll never hit my ideal BMI-crap-weight of 155. I will target to get down to 175 if I am strong.


My strength has dropped slightly on some lifts but continue to increase on others while on keto. I'm not worried about my strength now because a caloric deficit is not an ideal intake for strength gains.

SwampRabbit 03-20-2017 05:08 PM

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Originally Posted by icetrauma (Post 12293272)
My strength has dropped slightly on some lifts but continue to increase on others while on keto. I'm not worried about my strength now because a caloric deficit is not an ideal intake for strength gains.

Carbs are kinda important in muscle recovery if you want to see strength/endurance gains while running a deficit.

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tex4k 03-20-2017 05:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Pilgrim (Post 12292900)
Can someone give some insight on the Keto Flu?

Google Herxheimer Reaction, that'll explain better than this bunch of rednecks can.;)b

icetrauma 03-20-2017 05:12 PM

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icetrauma 03-20-2017 05:13 PM

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Originally Posted by SwampRabbit (Post 12293300)
Carbs are kinda important in muscle recovery if you want to see strength/endurance gains while running a deficit.

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I agree but that is not my focus at this time. I will agree my endurance is not what it was but I'm ok with that. I actually ran 4.6 miles, on a treadmill, using the ladder method of run 1 min, walk 1 min, run 2, walk 2, run 3, walk 3 then back down the ladder. I was actually surprised I completed it. I'm 6'4 and 275. That's the most I've ran since college and that was 23 yrs ago.

IkemanTX 03-20-2017 05:19 PM

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Originally Posted by SwampRabbit (Post 12293229)
Why do you feel you need to go from 172 down to 155? What is driving you to do that? Honestly, that is not a ton of weight to lose; and I wouldn't be in a hurry to get there unless you got a boxing or wrestling match coming up. ;)



The reason I ask is because I have been "fit" at many different weights in my lifetime. As an endurance athlete racing road bikes, I have been 160lbs with skinny freaking arms, and thunder thighs with 3% body fat and able to race 100+ miles at 20+ mph pace. I couldn't do a pull-up, but I could sprint on a bike at 30mph+ going up hill. Getting down to my clinical ideal weight for my height of 155lbs would be stupid. I also have been 175lbs and able to do P90X workouts without much trouble; I wasn't as snappy riding in the hills, but I wasn't racing either. I had a nice upper body, could do pull-ups, etc. I considered 175lbs to be my ideal weight for general fitness and strength - a far cry from the 155 on paper that my height should be at.



Normally, what I've seen from my buddies, is if they are not hitting their ideal weights and are heavy is because they are "skinny fat." Meaning they are thin, but just don't have the metabolism to support what they want to do. They lost weight, but are weaker. A lot of them lost weight on these paleo, or non-fat, or atkins style diets too.



I am not saying you are there, but I am curious where the 155 number comes from? I know I'll never hit my ideal BMI-crap-weight of 155. I will target to get down to 175 if I am strong.



I used to do P90X and I sure don't miss it haha. I am not concerned with bulking up muscle mass anymore, or crazy cardio levels either. My hobbies are hiking, kayaking, bowhunting, gardening, and small projects around the house. The physical condition I am in allows me to comfortably do all of that. 155lbs gets my body, with my current muscle mass, to the leanness point I want to be. I'm a pretty short guy (just shy of 5'7") so it's not as light as it sounds.

Also, I have struggled with glucose crashes throughout my life due to an irregular eating schedule. I can't change the eating schedule due to my work schedule. A ketogenic diet will help stabilize my energy levels in those times I have to push my eating farther than I should.


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IkemanTX 03-20-2017 05:22 PM

Another thing, I can follow a keto diet without a problem. I don't crave carbs unless I also lose the fats. A Keto diet is all the items I have craved in every previous diet, so I know I can stick to it permanently. It is "my food" as my wife says.


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Strummer 03-20-2017 06:52 PM

Sounds like something I need to check in to . I have gained about 25 lbs in the last 3 years . I need to lose that plus another 20 . What's the best place to read about it at ?


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tex4k 03-20-2017 07:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Strummer (Post 12293665)
Sounds like something I need to check in to . I have gained about 25 lbs in the last 3 years . I need to lose that plus another 20 . What's the best place to read about it at ?


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There's more videos on you tube than you can shake a stick at, if you want to get into some of the science behind it try Books- It begins with Food-Wheatbelly- Grainbrain.

icetrauma 03-20-2017 07:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Strummer (Post 12293665)
Sounds like something I need to check in to . I have gained about 25 lbs in the last 3 years . I need to lose that plus another 20 . What's the best place to read about it at ?


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Lots of info on youtube and Google. Not trying to be a smart azz but those are your best bets.

rut-ro 03-20-2017 08:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Strummer (Post 12293665)
Sounds like something I need to check in to . I have gained about 25 lbs in the last 3 years . I need to lose that plus another 20 . What's the best place to read about it

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GTS and you will be overwhelmed with reading material

Strummer 03-20-2017 08:11 PM

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Originally Posted by icetrauma (Post 12293835)
Lots of info on youtube and Google. Not trying to be a smart azz but those are your best bets.



Oh not at all . That gives me a good place to start.i have never heard of this before


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jmeghunts 03-20-2017 08:20 PM

Some of you guys throw down info on when you like to workout. Morning, mid day, night? When is the optimal time? I have done some research and seen arguments for all of it. What say you guys?

icetrauma 03-20-2017 08:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Strummer (Post 12293940)
Oh not at all . That gives me a good place to start.i have never heard of this before


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Some of the people I follow on youtube with good info on keto are

Joe Rogan - very pro keto and he's an avid hunter
Jason Wittrock - a sponsored athlete in the fitness category and good info.
Goodybeats - he's a kid from San Marcos very positive.
Primal Edge Health - mellow expat living in Ecuador, I think, with solid foundation on keto. He's very mellow and hippish but has good content.

icetrauma 03-20-2017 08:24 PM

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Originally Posted by jmeghunts (Post 12293969)
Some of you guys throw down info on when you like to workout. Morning, mid day, night? When is the optimal time? I have done some research and seen arguments for all of it. What say you guys?

I work nights and for me, it all depends on how I feel. I prefer lifting after work because I have fuel in my tank. It mostly depends on my sleep pattern. Some days I'm to tired to hit the gym after work and I wake up around 1430 and do a fasted workout or cardio. I never do lower body without some sort of fuel/food on board unless it's in the am when I'm off the previous day.

Edit....I really don't pay that much attention as when the best time is to train stuff. My best advice is to listen to your body. It'll tell you when it's time to go. Yeah, sometimes you're tired and dragging but can still hit it. You just have to know when a rest day is needed.

Target-panic 03-20-2017 08:34 PM

Fiancé and I started just after New Years with the 28 day meal plans from Ruled.me webpage. She has lost 18 lbs and shortened her 5k time and I have lost 30 lbs and short the time it takes to walk 3-4 miles we try to get our track time 2-3 times a week. Easiest way I have ever found to lose weight eating great food. We use more seasoning than I ever knew existed. Bulletproof coffee is my mainstay breakfast every day now.
She has about 10-15 more she wants to lose and I have 50 more. I can see us easily doing so by the end of the year.


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bps3040 03-20-2017 08:38 PM

I have been maintaining for a few months. I love eating low carb. I had type 2 diabetes, but diet has gotten me off medicine.

I have 2 sisters in a "keto study" they are a year into a 2 year study. 1 has lost 80+ lbs and the other 66. They are off all their medicine(blood pressure, diabetes and cholesterol)


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IkemanTX 03-20-2017 08:38 PM

If only I could drink coffee....
Can't stand the bitterness.


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bps3040 03-20-2017 08:40 PM

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Originally Posted by SwampRabbit (Post 12292548)
A good way to get diabetes from what I hear too.

I have lost 27 lbs in 11 weeks on my diet of steak, potatoes, cereal, bread, fruit, etc.

It is called eating less, moderate exercise, and... nope thats it.

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Actually complete opposite. I was type 2 and now do not take medicine. My diet controls it. Same with 2 sisters


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icetrauma 03-20-2017 08:51 PM

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Originally Posted by bps3040 (Post 12294054)
Actually complete opposite. I was type 2 and now do not take medicine. My diet controls it. Same with 2 sisters


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That is freaking amazing. Strong work!!!



On youtube, there is a channel called Headbangers Kitchen. He is a guy in India and has some awesome recipes. I routinely eat the keto chocolate mug cake.

TxTechBowhunter 03-20-2017 08:54 PM

Another good YouTube source for info on Keto is Zac Griffith. He is also a hunter/fitness guy.

FYI, chicken wings are Keto as long as you get them naked (no breading) and pay attention to which sauce you get them tossed in. I prefer wing stops Louisana rub.

icetrauma 03-20-2017 08:59 PM

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Originally Posted by TxTechBowhunter (Post 12294095)
Another good YouTube source for info on Keto is Zac Griffith. He is also a hunter/fitness guy.

FYI, chicken wings are Keto as long as you get them naked (no breading) and pay attention to which sauce you get them tossed in. I prefer wing stops Louisana rub.

I'll have to check him out. Thanks

Also very calorie dense as well. Btw, Bdubs Spicy Garlic has 2 grams of carbs per serving.

IkemanTX 03-20-2017 09:03 PM

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Originally Posted by TxTechBowhunter (Post 12294095)
FYI, chicken wings are Keto as long as you get them naked (no breading) and pay attention to which sauce you get them tossed in. I prefer wing stops Louisana rub.



Their Cajun is good too.


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gingib 03-20-2017 09:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Target-panic (Post 12294025)
Fiancé and I started just after New Years with the 28 day meal plans from Ruled.me webpage. She has lost 18 lbs and shortened her 5k time and I have lost 30 lbs and short the time it takes to walk 3-4 miles we try to get our track time 2-3 times a week. Easiest way I have ever found to lose weight eating great food. We use more seasoning than I ever knew existed. Bulletproof coffee is my mainstay breakfast every day now.

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So all you eat is coffee for breakfast? And yall will go to a track 2-3 days a week for the next 15-20 years?

Not to be Debbie downer, but this will be hard to do for a lifetime and after your body is in starvation mode you need more for breakfast. Most important meal of the day;)b

CEO 03-20-2017 09:05 PM

When you check out these YouTube videos make sure to read the comments section. The vegan backlash is usually pretty epic.

IkemanTX 03-20-2017 09:15 PM

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Originally Posted by gingib (Post 12294138)
So all you eat is coffee for breakfast? And yall will go to a track 2-3 days a week for the next 15-20 years?


I don't drink it, but it has fat added via butter, cream, and sometimes coconut oil. It gives a good calorie and energy boost.



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jmeghunts 03-20-2017 09:17 PM

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Originally Posted by IkemanTX (Post 12294045)
If only I could drink coffee....
Can't stand the bitterness.


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I do coconut oil, butter, vanilla extract, heavy cream and stevia. It's not bitter at all and its pretty tastey. I drink it about 0700 and I'm ready for a meal by 0930-1000. Now that I'm behind a desk and off the streets I find it tuff to get motivated. I may ask for a transfer just so I can get back to moving more!

TxTechBowhunter 03-20-2017 09:18 PM

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Originally Posted by gingib (Post 12294138)
So all you eat is coffee for breakfast? And yall will go to a track 2-3 days a week for the next 15-20 years?

Not to be Debbie downer, but this will be hard to do for a lifetime and after your body is in starvation mode you need more for breakfast. Most important meal of the day;)b

Do you have any science to back up the breakfast is the most important meal of the day idea or are you just repeating what you have always been told? A lot of research is starting to show this is not actually the case.

icetrauma 03-20-2017 09:36 PM

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Originally Posted by CEO (Post 12294141)
When you check out these YouTube videos make sure to read the comments section. The vegan backlash is usually pretty epic.

Truth and it's hilarious.

icetrauma 03-20-2017 09:37 PM

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Originally Posted by jmeghunts (Post 12294181)
I do coconut oil, butter, vanilla extract, heavy cream and stevia. It's not bitter at all and its pretty tastey. I drink it about 0700 and I'm ready for a meal by 0930-1000. Now that I'm behind a desk and off the streets I find it tuff to get motivated. I may ask for a transfer just so I can get back to moving more!

I use coconut oil, butter and sometime SF vanilla or hazelnut flavoring. Not bitter at all. And techically, keto coffee/bullet proof coffee is a meal in and of itself. Very nutrient dense.

Coffee during my work shift is only with heavy whipping cream.

justletmein 03-20-2017 09:38 PM

Been on and off them for many years, always feel great good smooth consistent energy throughout the day. Biggest problem people have is little cheats here and there, don't account for stupid things like ketchup on a burger patty, etc... You can't have ANY of that, you get enough residual carbs just with green veggies and any more on top you'll just feel like poo all the time. If you need sweetener, get the liquid sucralose or liquid stevia, anything in the packets that says 0 carbs can be up to 1 carb... you see maltodextrin and stuff like that as an ingredient then throw it back on the shelf.

http://cavemanketo.com/

If I'm in a hurry I'll combine it with intermittent fasting.

justletmein 03-20-2017 09:43 PM

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Originally Posted by SwampRabbit (Post 12292548)
A good way to get diabetes from what I hear too.

I have lost 27 lbs in 11 weeks on my diet of steak, potatoes, cereal, bread, fruit, etc.

It is called eating less, moderate exercise, and... nope thats it.

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LOL no, just no. Where in the world did you hear that? Diabetics have great success on this diet unless they're cheating and don't do it right.

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Actually complete opposite. I was type 2 and now do not take medicine. My diet controls it. Same with 2 sisters


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jmac2410 03-20-2017 10:24 PM

I have a bunch of Facebook friends raving about a product called Keto OS. It's a drink mix that claims to put your body into Ketosis within an hour, regardless what you eat. My fiancés mother tried it for a week, and said she was in a better mood and had more energy.

I Have seen some before and after pics of the FB friends I mentioned who are using the Keto OS and the results are hard to believe. I'm typically very skeptical of all the snake oil type stuff but I'm considering giving it a shot.

https://pruvitnow.com/products/

icetrauma 03-20-2017 10:29 PM

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Originally Posted by jmac2410 (Post 12294374)
I have a bunch of Facebook friends raving about a product called Keto OS. It's a drink mix that claims to put your body into Ketosis within an hour, regardless what you eat. My fiancés mother tried it for a week, and said she was in a better mood and had more energy.

I Have seen some before and after pics of the FB friends I mentioned who are using the Keto OS and the results are hard to believe. I'm typically very skeptical of all the snake oil type stuff but I'm considering giving it a shot.

https://pruvitnow.com/products/


JMO.but yes they might put you in to ketosis faster but that doesn't mean you automatically start burning fat. To my knowledge, which is little on this product, it is nothing but exogenous ketones so, when you **** on the stick, it'll pop for ketones.

And no thank you for $130 for 2 wks supply. Ouch!

panhandlehunter 03-20-2017 10:40 PM

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Originally Posted by bps3040 (Post 12294054)
Actually complete opposite. I was type 2 and now do not take medicine. My diet controls it. Same with 2 sisters


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That's because you're not eating carbs. There's no way this diet is sustainable or healthy. You can't eat all the eggs and bacon, butter and red meat you want and be healthy. Sure, you'll lose weight but that doesn't make it healthy.

icetrauma 03-20-2017 10:48 PM

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Originally Posted by panhandlehunter (Post 12294413)
That's because you're not eating carbs. There's no way this diet is sustainable or healthy. You can't eat all the eggs and bacon, butter and red meat you want and be healthy. Sure, you'll lose weight but that doesn't make it healthy.


That's why you incorporate healthy fats. Fish, avocado, nuts etc. It doesn't have to be all processed meats.

justletmein 03-20-2017 10:56 PM

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Originally Posted by jmac2410 (Post 12294374)
I have a bunch of Facebook friends raving about a product called Keto OS. It's a drink mix that claims to put your body into Ketosis within an hour, regardless what you eat. My fiancés mother tried it for a week, and said she was in a better mood and had more energy.

I Have seen some before and after pics of the FB friends I mentioned who are using the Keto OS and the results are hard to believe. I'm typically very skeptical of all the snake oil type stuff but I'm considering giving it a shot.

https://pruvitnow.com/products/

INGREDIENTS: Beta Hydroxybutyrate (Patent Pending), Erythritol, L-Taurine, Fermented L-Leucine, Natural Flavor, Malic Acid, Citric Acid, Stevia, Xanthan Gum, Caffeine‡.

Yeah I'm not seeing squat there.

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Originally Posted by panhandlehunter (Post 12294413)
That's because you're not eating carbs. There's no way this diet is sustainable or healthy. You can't eat all the eggs and bacon, butter and red meat you want and be healthy. Sure, you'll lose weight but that doesn't make it healthy.

Ever hear of an essential carbohydrate? That's right they don't exist. Essential amino acids and essential fatty acids DO exist.

Besides, plenty of residual carbs and fibers from green veggies and nuts and avocados and such.

Fact is people live these diets as a permanent lifestyle and they work just fine.

panhandlehunter 03-20-2017 10:57 PM

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Originally Posted by icetrauma (Post 12294423)
That's why you incorporate healthy fats. Fish, avocado, nuts etc. It doesn't have to be all processed meats.

It's still not sustainable. Basically a revised version of the Adkins diet. Once you do fall off the diet wagon you'll gain all the weight you lost back. Eat healthy foods, get a fitbit and get your steps in.


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