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    I keep reading about the expense of arming school employees. Wouldn't the ideal plan be to use staff that is willing, and already has Chl's, and utilize the free training that the NRA lady offered in her APAC speech?

    Is it just the liberals who really don't want it anyway? If I were a staff member I know I would be willing to do this without compensation, and I think any staff member worth their salt, would too.

    #2
    I would carry without compensation right now. I believe I could protect my students and myself better than anybody else at my school.

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      #3
      Only problem I see with school security are you sure they would engage the shooter? Seems like that is the problem. JMO. Carry on young ones.
      Last edited by doghouse; 02-28-2018, 07:35 PM.

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        #4
        Originally posted by doghouse View Post
        Only problem I see with school security are you sure they would engage the shooter? Seems like that is the problem. JMO. Carry on young ones.
        Well, teachers have died shielding and helping students, I'm sure they would have shot back given the opportunity.

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          #5
          Originally posted by Ironman View Post
          Well, teachers have died shielding and helping students, I'm sure they would have shot back given the opportunity.
          I agree. Talking about hiring people outside of the school!

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            #6
            Originally posted by double bogey View Post
            I keep reading about the expense of arming school employees. Wouldn't the ideal plan be to use staff that is willing, and already has Chl's, and utilize the free training that the NRA lady offered in her APAC speech?

            Is it just the liberals who really don't want it anyway? If I were a staff member I know I would be willing to do this without compensation, and I think any staff member worth their salt, would too.
            The left does not want to stop this. Tragedies like this server their agenda.

            The big debate is around gun control and no real meaningful discussion on hardening soft targets.

            Increasing the legal age to purchase a long gun does nothing to harden schools.

            Elimination of bump stocks does nothing to harden schools.

            Improving the background checks does nothing to harden schools.

            Granted what the NRA had recommended on the background checks makes sense, it still does nothing to harden soft targets, and in this discussion, schools.

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              #7
              This is a simple solution, but it goes against the MSM agenda and they will not have anything to do with it.
              I have a CHL and would gladly carry if allowed to protect my kids that I have in an unprotected portable building open to the world, but that will never happen in my lifetime in this district! Google all the threats and arrests that have happened in the smaller districts around Lubbock. We have had one teacher in this district get threatened 26 times of being killed by a student in a unit like mine. Yes we are safe when Lubbock ISD Police are only 15 to 20 minutes away!

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                #8
                This old grunt would be willing to stand guard mount again if called upon to do so.

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                  #9
                  So this weekend I had dinner with an old friend who is a superintendent. He is not for arming teachers. I told him my idea was to provide “safes” in a room closet....with a vest and a shotgun. Teachers can protect their rooms. They don’t have to run forward and engage the shooter. They also don’t have to carry on their person.

                  He did agree myself and the ag teacher would have been good candidates. We had no “town police”.....would have had to wait for the county, dips, next town over....etc.

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                    #10
                    Originally posted by doghouse View Post
                    Only problem I see with school security are you sure they would engage the shooter? Seems like that is the problem. JMO. Carry on young ones.
                    If they are under fire I would bet they would!

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                      #11
                      Originally posted by doghouse View Post
                      I agree. Talking about hiring people outside of the school!
                      Doghouse, I don't see why we need to hire anyone. Teachers have died trying to protect these kids, everyone of them would have loved to have been armed. I would bet the percentage of teachers having chl's is only a little lower than our local population. I am not sure about today, but my zip code had the highest number of permits in the state at one time. I think even the liberals are armed in my area.

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                        #12
                        There is solid chatter of open dialog to harden schools happening...I challenge those willing to get involved for actual solutions to please get behind & support this effort. I beg you to Forget gun control in general for now for the short term. Regardless of your stance, the complexity tied to the 2nd pushes any argument for change envisioned into a long term argument likely to be battled all the way to the top shelf of the court system. Better to focus on the immediate actions we can implement. We need to dilute the culture we have adopted with our schools as being soft targets easy to engage.

                        I understand the counter to oppose, but I would encourage those that do to clean the slate of your thought process. A recent example would be for those to humbly admit that the implementation of open carry for Texas did not bring all the negative definitions expected in ay shape or form & compare this exact idea of willing educators to defend students being an exact parallel. There are districts doing this very action right now with no negative effects. It's the same with OC for TX and how misguided the opposition was all the while 2 dozen other states have had it for decades with no examples to support their argument.

                        We have no choice but to harden schools just like airports to keep these campuses safe...my thoughts are that educators willing to take the task are not to engage a threat, but create a safe place within the classroom once the threat breached the school. Once lockdown is in action, You have specialized / secured classroom doors shut & safety drills train students to be at 6 of the muzzle. Teacher at 12 covering door. This example being just of one of many to harden schools. LE & educators understand communicate when clearing starts once threat is neutralized.

                        This scenario being the tail end with other layers of hardening on front end with security cameras to communicate threat position, armed LE for perimeter, etc with the educators being the last line between killer and your child. Again, they are not to separate from students or engage threat. They are the defenders of safe place.

                        Or we could just keep doing the same & wish firearms away with feel good legislation that erodes liberty of free men the thugs will ignore.

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                          #13
                          Allow armed teachers who hold CHL's into our schools and post the signs, "campus has armed security", problems solved. This will end the massive school shootings over night, Democrats loose their gun control platform, and TXfan reported all the radicalize LWL teachers will quit teaching.

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                            #14
                            Even if the armed teaches did not engage the shooter and shielded in place when the shooter got to that room there would be many less dead.
                            Whole lot better than erasers.
                            Encouraging article I read earlier, Illinois school.dist. said it was taking steps to allow teachers to carry.....illinois for goodness sakes.
                            I don't know why the shool.districts that already have armed teachers are not mentioned by the folks on our side advocating for it.

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                              #15
                              While I agree that teachers who want to should be armed, I don't think that's the only facet of this problem. Remember, one of the very first school shootings, Arkansas I think, there were two kids in the woods next to the school who shot into the school or at students on the grounds. It happened many years ago and details escape me now, but the point is this: If you only have plans to protect from inside, what's to keep someone from waiting until the school yard is full of students and then shooting as many as possible ? Most of these little *******s are ready to die anyway, so where it happens means little to them.

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