If your dormant plants are thick and you have a thick layer of thatch it will be difficult to over seed those areas and expect much in the way of growth from your clover. If you are able to run a nail drag over the area removing some of the thatch you might get better results. Clover will not push out dormant grasses, but can coexist if the dormant grasses are thinned out. It would be better to mow the dormant grasses and till them under to enlarge the bed if that is your ultimate goal.

I thought so- plan is to till a bigger plot this spring when working other plots. I was curious since will do a little frost seeding
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Red and white clovers frost seed much better than crimson clover.

You will probably have to up your normal clover seeding rate but I wouldn't mow the grass right now or spray. Just broadcast into the grass. That seed is small enough to hit the dirt...it may take a good rain or two but it will make contact.

Just mow the grass in the spring and it will "release" the clover....but generally fall seeded clover will out perform spring or frost-seeded clover because it will have time to establish a greater root system.

As an experiment a month ago I broadcast some white clover into my garden and it has a heavy grass thatch layer. Got a couple of good rains on it and it germinated. I think it will make a decent stand....not as thick as I wanted but decent coverage.

Once your clover has established well and filled in after several months you can spray a light dose of Gly on it to kill the grass and it won't kill the clover....don't do it while its still young and tender or it will die. Or you can also use Clethodim to kill the grass but its alot more $$.

Good luck and post up how it does!

I did use white clover but just reseeded the small plot I started last fall. LO got a tractor & disker so ill just disk a larger plot this spring

so am i understanding this correctly. if you frost seed red/white clover, which i thought is a fall plotting seed, then it would likely make it thru the summer, provide a little bit of a food source for the deer, while working on a spring/summer plot?

obvious givens of water and some luck. also, at what point is the clover "established". and could you reseed in the fall, to help increase the growth potential of that fall plot?

Fall planted clover does best because it has time to establishes better roots that will help it make to the summer. Although I haven't had Durana clover make it through the summer yet. The summers are just too hot and dry. I did have them grow into June last year though.

The problem with spring planted clover is weeds. Usually weeds/grass overwhelm the clover and its hard to control. Fall is much better because weeds are a problem then. Spring planted clover has much less of a chance of surviving the summer than fall planted.

Perennial clovers are slow to establish for a reason....they are laying down roots for the long haul. Annual clovers like Crimson and Berseem are fast growers because they live and die within one growing season and don't establish roots for long term.

IMO your clover is established if it has filled in nicely and its getting tall to the point you need to mow it. You can also let it form a seed head and then mow it and it will reseed itself.