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BuckAssassin · 08-12-2009, 11:52 AM

An adult Mtn. Lion will often kill a deer a week according to the Montana Fish Wildlife & Parks Dept.

The "conservationists"/"animal rights" crowd would have us believe that they only kill the weak, sick or old animals that are already on death's door.

I've never heard of a mountain lion paying for a hunting license, contributing to the QDMA, or planting a food plot or doing anyhing to further the existence or the deer population.

The Auto Insurance Companies and the "environmentalists" want Mtn. lions to replace hunters in deer management.....and are working to achieve it.......this fires me up!

Are you for or against the push for more Mtn. Lions?

THIS paper will make you mad.

Here are a few pics. I know some may have been posted before.

WARNING......foul language.

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Mike Murphey · 08-12-2009, 11:58 AM

I have hunted them, (lions) and can tell you there are more out there than you realize...they are opportunist on killing, yes they will take an injured or old animal but they will also take a fawn or mature in the prime deer which ever the opportunity presents itself...

oneforthewall · 08-12-2009, 12:00 PM

Cats need to be managed too. I'll help!

Legdog · 08-12-2009, 12:03 PM

I'm thrilled that they seem to have made a comeback. Of course, trail cams and internet have also helped better document their numbers so its still hard to say what the trends are compared to say, 40 years ago.

When I was a kid they were like bigfoot.

They definitely deserve a place in the food chain. No question.

BoneDigger · 08-12-2009, 12:11 PM

I'm glad to see them making a comeback. They are an important part of nature.

Todd

leebtattoos · 08-12-2009, 12:18 PM

i just skimmed through but i dont know about replacing hunters with solely cougars. i think that they have their place in this world just like us. with that said, the tree huggers wont want the numbers to rise when their chapoodle is being eaten and their kids are not safe in the backyard

flyby · 08-12-2009, 12:24 PM

Can't happen. Mountain lions have huge territories and defend them from other cats (something like 30-50 square miles each if memory serves). One cat in an area that size will not "control" the deer population.

I'm also glad they're making a comeback.

Coon · 08-12-2009, 12:30 PM

It's not a comeback. They've been here all along.

SaltwaterSlick · 08-12-2009, 12:50 PM

We've been hunting the same ground for 25 years now, and mountain lions were there when we got there, and we've always had the opportunity to take them if we see them, but no one has gotten one yet. The gubment trapper trapped 4 in one year a few years back, but we still see just as many. We have one guy that got a 20 minute video of one stalking/hunting one of his feeders with the intention of shooting it after videoing it a bit. He wanted to try to get it catching a deer first, then shoot it. Another deer came up from down wind and spooked the others. The cat then moved over and went right to my buddy's bow feeder/stand, so he decided not to shoot it with a rifle and try to get him with his bow... he never saw him again that year, but the cat did bury a gut pile from a deer he had shot one evening. the next morning the gut pile had been partially eaten and burried just like a regular house cat would bury something except the spot was bigger... Late last year he saw him again, but did not get a shot.

Now they tell us bears are moving into the area!!! but the good news is we do not have feral hogs ..... YET!!

AggieBall · 08-12-2009, 12:58 PM

wish they got there 20 sec earlier.

DPerez905 · 08-12-2009, 01:01 PM

Ok so what happens when they start taking out kids and such bc we all know that a human is a lot easier target than any other animal out there especially kids.

trailboss · 08-12-2009, 01:10 PM

I admit I skimmed through this pretty quickly, but where does "the auto insurance companies" want them to replace hunters come from? I didn't see that?

Trailboss

EnglishRedneck · 08-12-2009, 01:15 PM

Love that they are out there and so perfectly adapted to their purpose...
Did have one stalk my daughter and me while duck hunting last year which was a little spooky, but I had a shotgun, so probably no need to worry.
Funny when the woman wants to "rescue it"... it wouldn't matter if we allowed Cougars to control the deer, people like this would still try to turn all the cougars vegan!!!

Legdog · 08-12-2009, 01:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DPerez905

Ok so what happens when they start taking out kids and such bc we all know that a human is a lot easier target than any other animal out there especially kids.

the internet is far more dangerous to my kids than any mountain lion (youtube alone!)

and that's just the top of the list

drivers who are texting or drinking are up there as well

...heck lightnig is statistically more dangerous to kids than mountain lions

The original poster has a point. His point (if I interpret correctly) is he does not want to try and manage a quality deer herd with lions out there eating his managed deer efforts. Problem is, like it or not, predators fit in the system. If you remeove predators and just manage the deer you cause more problems than you solve. The balance of nature is a delicate thing. The opposite of diversity of species (good) is monoculture (bad).

1369 · 08-12-2009, 01:23 PM

What a cougar may look like...

xman59 · 08-12-2009, 01:30 PM

i hear they taste just like chicken!

chrisk · 08-12-2009, 01:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 1369

What a cougar may look like...

I wish I had a stalker!

BrianL · 08-12-2009, 02:16 PM

THey belong out there as much as I do.

Coup de Grace · 08-12-2009, 02:46 PM

Agree with brian l,you bet they do...

Dr. D · 08-12-2009, 03:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 1369

What a cougar may look like...

Quote:

Originally Posted by xman59

i hear they taste just like chicken!

These 2 just belong together.

Farmdog · 08-12-2009, 05:13 PM

i want a cougar too

BuckAssassin · 08-12-2009, 06:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by trailboss

................where does "the auto insurance companies" want them to replace hunters come from? I didn't see that?

Trailboss

It wasn't in there.

oops. I thought it was more know than it is I guess. I read it first in Outdoor Life a few years back. If you google search it there is a lot about it on the web.

Here's 1 example regarding GEICO. http://www.cacaponinstitute.org/PHSW...0insurance.htm

If you don't want to read it all here is the jist of it.....

"Geico North Harford H.S
10/29/2008
10:35:00 AM

We are the Insurance Company named Geico. We are important because when people get into accidents they don’t go and see the deer, no they come to us because we are their safety net when they are in an accident. When there is an overpopulation of deer there are more accidents which means we have more cases for us to review and more money for us to give out. Accidents involving deer has doubled.......

.......Another idea that insurance companies had to reduce the amount of deer-vehicle collision claims was to reintroduce predators into the wild................they have nothing maintaining their numbers and thus have become a huge problem. By introducing the deer’s natural predators, insurance companies are hoping that the deer population will be reduced to a manageable number and that more deer will be kept off of roads and highways.

The best predator to re-introduce into the wild would be the mountain lion."

I'm a predator. Give me more tags!

....and if like everyone says, the lion don't reduce the deer numbers much, let me and other willing hunters try. Up the quota and make more money for the state through increased tag and license sales, and tax on more arrows and broadheads I'll be using.

raiderpower · 08-12-2009, 06:15 PM

They are part of the foodchain. As well as deer are doing, one a week per lion is nothing.

BuckAssassin · 08-12-2009, 06:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by raiderpower

They are part of the foodchain. As well as deer are doing, one a week per lion is nothing.

That depends on which one of yours it is.

Agreed, they are part of the food chain though, and beautiful animals. But, since they are not endangered I don't think the Ins. Companies or State should try to increase their numbers to stop auto accidents.........increase hunter opportunities.

ballisticbudda · 08-12-2009, 06:26 PM

Looks like I need to import a few mountain lions to WV. We have way too many deer. Darn shame you have to stop your four wheeler to let the deer cross the logging roads.

Roosterpt1 · 08-12-2009, 09:18 PM

Here I'll add a little personal fuel to the fire, but with a happy ending.

Hollis F · 08-12-2009, 09:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dr. death

These 2 just belong together.

Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha

woody · 08-12-2009, 09:27 PM

I was privledged enough to see a panther in 1994. I think they are beautiful animals and I believe there is room for humans and mountain lions in the woods. i get P.O.'d when i hear of people wanting to destroy an animal for simply making a living. Killing deer and other game is how they survive, they dont have a grocery store to buy their food and we have plenty of deer left for us.

mike23 · 07-07-2010, 12:49 AM

http://www.texashuntfish.com/app/vie...Junction-Texas

Br'er_Henry · 07-07-2010, 01:12 AM

Can't fix dumb

Night Wing · 07-07-2010, 06:07 AM

I've been bowhunting for over 40 years and have only seen two cougars during this time and both were within 20 yards. They're beautiful, silent and graceful animals. I had the opportunity of taking a shot, but I let both cats walk on by.

SanAngeloBowman · 07-07-2010, 06:25 AM

to protect your rights guys, join organizations that will look after your rights. Those groups trying to take your rights away are exactly what the word means "ORGANIZED" and so should we be to make sure it doesnt happen. Go out and join one, heck two or more, TODAY.

tex4k · 07-07-2010, 08:23 AM

All animals have a place but I know of a lot of ranches out here in WT where lions are classified in the same category as hogs and if the landowners knew you let one walk you'd probably get invited to walk. Lot of people understand the part about predators taking the weaker animals what they don't understand is they don't get to define "weak". Sheep and goats are apparently weaker than even a juvenile lion and there are several documented cases where a momma lion gave her brood killin' lessons and the rancher lost 20+ animals in one night. I love watching predators in the wild, I like to study them when I can, and I don't mind taking one from time to time. That's how I believe any wildlife resource should be utilized.

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08-12-2009, 11:58 AM	#2
Mike Murphey Ten Point Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Deer Park, Texas Hunt In: Fort McKavett, Texas	I have hunted them, (lions) and can tell you there are more out there than you realize...they are opportunist on killing, yes they will take an injured or old animal but they will also take a fawn or mature in the prime deer which ever the opportunity presents itself...

08-12-2009, 12:00 PM	#3
oneforthewall Ten Point Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Springtown, TX Hunt In: WY, CO, NM, TX	Cats need to be managed too. I'll help!

08-12-2009, 12:03 PM	#4
Legdog Pope & Young Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Big D	I'm thrilled that they seem to have made a comeback. Of course, trail cams and internet have also helped better document their numbers so its still hard to say what the trends are compared to say, 40 years ago. When I was a kid they were like bigfoot. They definitely deserve a place in the food chain. No question.

08-12-2009, 12:11 PM	#5
BoneDigger Pope & Young Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Lindale/Tyler	I'm glad to see them making a comeback. They are an important part of nature. Todd

08-12-2009, 12:18 PM	#6
leebtattoos Pope & Young Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Austin Hunt In: lampasas, sabinal, and where ever i can	i just skimmed through but i dont know about replacing hunters with solely cougars. i think that they have their place in this world just like us. with that said, the tree huggers wont want the numbers to rise when their chapoodle is being eaten and their kids are not safe in the backyard

08-12-2009, 12:24 PM	#7
flyby Ten Point Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: DFW	Can't happen. Mountain lions have huge territories and defend them from other cats (something like 30-50 square miles each if memory serves). One cat in an area that size will not "control" the deer population. I'm also glad they're making a comeback.

08-12-2009, 12:30 PM	#8
Coon Ten Point Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Montgomery, Texas	It's not a comeback. They've been here all along.

08-12-2009, 12:50 PM	#9
SaltwaterSlick Pope & Young Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Kingwood Hunt In: Liberty County, Val Verde County	We've been hunting the same ground for 25 years now, and mountain lions were there when we got there, and we've always had the opportunity to take them if we see them, but no one has gotten one yet. The gubment trapper trapped 4 in one year a few years back, but we still see just as many. We have one guy that got a 20 minute video of one stalking/hunting one of his feeders with the intention of shooting it after videoing it a bit. He wanted to try to get it catching a deer first, then shoot it. Another deer came up from down wind and spooked the others. The cat then moved over and went right to my buddy's bow feeder/stand, so he decided not to shoot it with a rifle and try to get him with his bow... he never saw him again that year, but the cat did bury a gut pile from a deer he had shot one evening. the next morning the gut pile had been partially eaten and burried just like a regular house cat would bury something except the spot was bigger... Late last year he saw him again, but did not get a shot. Now they tell us bears are moving into the area!!! but the good news is we do not have feral hogs ..... YET!!

08-12-2009, 12:58 PM	#10
AggieBall Ten Point Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: BCS Hunt In: Lometa	wish they got there 20 sec earlier.

08-12-2009, 01:01 PM	#11
DPerez905 Ten Point Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Corpus Christi Hunt In: Hallettsville, Zapata, San Angelo, Athens, wherever else I get the invite	Ok so what happens when they start taking out kids and such bc we all know that a human is a lot easier target than any other animal out there especially kids.

08-12-2009, 01:10 PM	#12
trailboss Pope & Young Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Weatherford, TX Hunt In: Planet Earth	I admit I skimmed through this pretty quickly, but where does "the auto insurance companies" want them to replace hunters come from? I didn't see that? Trailboss

08-12-2009, 01:15 PM	#13
EnglishRedneck Ten Point Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Royse City Hunt In: Vera, TX	Love that they are out there and so perfectly adapted to their purpose... Did have one stalk my daughter and me while duck hunting last year which was a little spooky, but I had a shotgun, so probably no need to worry. Funny when the woman wants to "rescue it"... it wouldn't matter if we allowed Cougars to control the deer, people like this would still try to turn all the cougars vegan!!!

08-12-2009, 01:23 PM	#15
1369 Pope & Young Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: San Antonio Hunt In: Dry Creek Ranch-Real County/CATI Ranch-Gonzales County (When 308 lets me)	What a cougar may look like...

08-12-2009, 01:30 PM	#16
xman59 Ten Point Join Date: Mar 2009	i hear they taste just like chicken!

08-12-2009, 02:16 PM	#18
BrianL Pope & Young Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Paris,TX Hunt In: Lamar, Red River, Dickens	THey belong out there as much as I do.

08-12-2009, 02:46 PM	#19
Coup de Grace Pope & Young Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Willis Texas Hunt In: Feed the deer in Del Rio.	Agree with brian l,you bet they do...

08-12-2009, 05:13 PM	#21
Farmdog Ten Point Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Mercedes	i want a cougar too

08-12-2009, 06:15 PM	#23
raiderpower Four Point Join Date: Jun 2009	They are part of the foodchain. As well as deer are doing, one a week per lion is nothing.

08-12-2009, 06:26 PM	#25
ballisticbudda Ten Point Join Date: Jun 2009	Looks like I need to import a few mountain lions to WV. We have way too many deer. Darn shame you have to stop your four wheeler to let the deer cross the logging roads.

08-12-2009, 09:18 PM	#26
Roosterpt1 Ten Point Join Date: May 2007 Location: Austin, TX Hunt In: Travis, Maverick, Burnet, Uvalde	Here I'll add a little personal fuel to the fire, but with a happy ending.

08-12-2009, 09:27 PM	#28
woody Ten Point Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Cypress, Texas Hunt In: Woodson, TX	I was privledged enough to see a panther in 1994. I think they are beautiful animals and I believe there is room for humans and mountain lions in the woods. i get P.O.'d when i hear of people wanting to destroy an animal for simply making a living. Killing deer and other game is how they survive, they dont have a grocery store to buy their food and we have plenty of deer left for us.

07-07-2010, 12:49 AM	#29
mike23 Four Point Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Aggie Land TEXAS Hunt In: Leon,Brazos County	http://www.texashuntfish.com/app/vie...Junction-Texas

07-07-2010, 01:12 AM	#30
Br'er_Henry Ten Point Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Nuevo Hunt In: NN Ranch	Can't fix dumb

07-07-2010, 06:07 AM	#31
Night Wing Ten Point Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Magnolia, TX	I've been bowhunting for over 40 years and have only seen two cougars during this time and both were within 20 yards. They're beautiful, silent and graceful animals. I had the opportunity of taking a shot, but I let both cats walk on by.

07-07-2010, 06:25 AM	#32
SanAngeloBowman Ten Point Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: San Angelo, TX. Hunt In: Guadalupe Mtns, Arkansas, Iraan , Twin Buttes, Laguna Atascosa	to protect your rights guys, join organizations that will look after your rights. Those groups trying to take your rights away are exactly what the word means "ORGANIZED" and so should we be to make sure it doesnt happen. Go out and join one, heck two or more, TODAY.

07-07-2010, 08:23 AM	#33
tex4k Eight Point Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Big Lake TX. Hunt In: Reagan, Upton, Crockett, and Uvalde counties	All animals have a place but I know of a lot of ranches out here in WT where lions are classified in the same category as hogs and if the landowners knew you let one walk you'd probably get invited to walk. Lot of people understand the part about predators taking the weaker animals what they don't understand is they don't get to define "weak". Sheep and goats are apparently weaker than even a juvenile lion and there are several documented cases where a momma lion gave her brood killin' lessons and the rancher lost 20+ animals in one night. I love watching predators in the wild, I like to study them when I can, and I don't mind taking one from time to time. That's how I believe any wildlife resource should be utilized.