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Old 08-09-2009, 06:09 PM   #1
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The bear thread got me thinking...used to have a lease down around Bronson in SE Pineywoods, and the old boy that ran it always said that there were red wolves in the area... at the time, several years ago, I blew it off as "Old Timer Disease", since TPWD and A&M say they've been gone for years, but I'm wondering - was he seeing coyotes with long legs and reddish fur, or are there wolves in East Texas?
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Old 08-09-2009, 06:11 PM   #2
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My wifes family has land all over Nacogdoches area and run plenty of cows . They have never mentioned anything about wolves
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Old 08-09-2009, 06:12 PM   #3
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I killed a red yote last year. About 50 miles north of Bronson.


Far from being a red wolf. lol
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Old 08-09-2009, 06:15 PM   #4
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Most of the red wolves were bred into the coyote population. That is why coyotes in the eastern part of the state are heavier as a whole than our western population. There is a book out called America's New Wolf talking about the hybrids that is a good read if you run across it.
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Old 08-09-2009, 06:15 PM   #5
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There were some wolves about 8 years ago ago frankston. There was a guy who raised them (legally or illegally?) and they got out. One of my friends actually shot one when it attacked his brother... they have the photos to back it up. The landowner I leased from knew the person who raised the wolves, and confirmed the story to me
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Old 08-09-2009, 08:10 PM   #6
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got video of one from about 4 years ago 1 mile outside lumberton city limits,, tried over and over to convince myself it was a dog,, it wasnt
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Old 08-09-2009, 08:14 PM   #7
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..since Red Wolves were indigenous to south La. and the adjacent areas of Texas, it is possible that some still exist....quien sabe?
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Old 08-09-2009, 08:23 PM   #8
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I would not doubt it. They are making a comeback thruout the nation. To the dismay of many people.
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Old 08-09-2009, 08:23 PM   #9
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Oh great! Wolves, bears, poachers, long lease hunters, black panthers hiding behind every pine tree.....Man, ETex is a rough place to live!
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Old 08-09-2009, 08:28 PM   #10
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my dad trapped and killed one about 30 yrs ago in palestine .since then we have seen one
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Old 08-09-2009, 08:31 PM   #11
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Wonder if they are being mistaken for the Mexican wolf?
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Old 08-09-2009, 08:36 PM   #12
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Read a story by Ralph Ramos about a character named Goob Newton who hunted red wolves in the Big Thicket.

Ralph wrote a book called Rocking Texas Cradle about life in the Big Thicket. He interviewed a lot of the Old Timers.

He also tells the story of Uncle Bud Brackin of Honey Island who supposedly killed 305 bears in the Big Thicket.

It's an interesting read if you can find a copy.
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Old 08-09-2009, 08:48 PM   #13
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Those are just yotes that came off a breading to a redbone.
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Old 08-09-2009, 08:58 PM   #14
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got video of one from about 4 years ago 1 mile outside lumberton city limits,, tried over and over to convince myself it was a dog,, it wasnt
Let's see the video already!!!
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Old 08-09-2009, 09:10 PM   #15
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I have hunter East Texas all my life and the locals call the yots wolves. Now having said that the best way to tell a wolf is his head and forward set eyes. There have been some yots with some of those trates killed in East Texas. I have also seen a yot wild dog mix that was a mean lookin critter that was killed by a friend of mine in Porter about 20yrs ago. Sadly the Red wolf I fear is gone forever only highbreads remain...
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Old 08-09-2009, 09:11 PM   #16
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Oh great! Wolves, bears, poachers, long lease hunters, black panthers hiding behind every pine tree.....Man, ETex is a rough place to live!
Don't forget hogs, gators, and bigfoot. This is brutal land and if your gona come over here you better sleep with one eye open.
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Old 08-09-2009, 09:46 PM   #17
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Have seen 2 wolves in Etx, 1 in 1992 and the other in 93 not 5 miles from each other. One was colored like the ave. timber wolf, the other was coal black. Both were 100lbs plus. Seen one crossing the road and the other shot dead.(not by me) Also seen bear in 1997 in shelby co running beagles in feb in the river bottom, wasnt very big but was a bear.

I work in the woods most everyday cruising timber,burning,pushing firelanes,etc and have seen neither since.

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Old 08-09-2009, 10:07 PM   #18
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Interesting read about life in the Big Thicket and the Wolf and Bear Hunters from the late 1800's into the 1900's.

http://www.texasescapes.com/WTBlock/...of-Kountze.htm
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Old 08-09-2009, 10:14 PM   #19
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I have seen one right here in Mont Belvieu. Im only 36 miles east of houston. The land is in the middle of town and only 140 acres. I say it once about 3 years ago. He was very old looking but i didn't have a shot. Say tracks for days in the same spot but did see him again.
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Old 08-09-2009, 10:20 PM   #20
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Wow I had no idea they had any trace of wolves in east texas still
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Old 08-09-2009, 10:21 PM   #21
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Wouldn't surprise me a bit.
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Old 08-09-2009, 10:27 PM   #22
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I had a book that talked about the life of Ben Lilly. If anyone ever comes across that book it is a must read...Woodsman is an understatement.
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Old 08-09-2009, 10:30 PM   #23
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My uncle shot a coyote in the early 80's, turned out to be a wolf.

I saw one in Palestine in 98', rainy day, walked right out in fornt of us on a small blacktop, had four other guys in the worktruck. She was pretty poor and was holding a fox squirrel in her mouth, she obviously had a litter of pups. She stood there looking right at the truck for about 45 seconds, seemed like an hour.
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Old 08-09-2009, 10:38 PM   #24
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My uncle shot a coyote in the early 80's, turned out to be a wolf.

I saw one in Palestine in 98', rainy day, walked right out in fornt of us on a small blacktop, had four other guys in the worktruck. She was pretty poor and was holding a fox squirrel in her mouth, she obviously had a litter of pups. She stood there looking right at the truck for about 45 seconds, seemed like an hour.
Did he contact Texas Parks and Wildlife. The Red wolf of Texas has been on the endangered species list for the last 40yrs and recently about 1998 moved to the extinction list. So if proof is out there of wolves please contact them at once so they get the pertection they need...
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Old 08-09-2009, 10:50 PM   #25
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Wolves are making a come back, just wait we will have a season for them. Look at Idaho.
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Old 08-09-2009, 11:27 PM   #26
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Seen what looked to be a Grey wolf about a year ago... There is a Wolf "center" thingie about 10 miles away and I'm guessing it escaped from there. lol
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Old 08-09-2009, 11:41 PM   #27
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Yes, Wolves are making a come back in Tx just like Black Bears are.
There are as many Wolves in East Tx as there are Black Panthers, Big Foots and pterodactyls!
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Old 08-10-2009, 12:57 AM   #28
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My step dad hunts a place in Polk county and they actually call it wolf mountain. Has been called that for generations but he says about once or twice a season you can actually hear the howls of wolves come through. His dad has hunted the property for years and claims though seldom seen or heard most know they are there
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Old 08-10-2009, 01:58 AM   #29
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Had a friend that wanted a coyote mounted that he killed in East Texas. When I thawed him out and got measurements I had to buy a medium wolf form to fit. Had to at least be a hybrid.

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Old 08-10-2009, 09:37 AM   #30
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Did he contact Texas Parks and Wildlife. The Red wolf of Texas has been on the endangered species list for the last 40yrs and recently about 1998 moved to the extinction list. So if proof is out there of wolves please contact them at once so they get the pertection they need...
Don't know what they did and my uncle has since passed, I was only a kid and don't remember it personally.
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Old 08-10-2009, 09:47 AM   #31
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Yes, Wolves are making a come back in Tx just like Black Bears are.
There are as many Wolves in East Tx as there are Black Panthers, Big Foots and pterodactyls!
You kind of make it sound like you are not a believer. I have spent countless hours in the woods both as a kid and an adult, there is not a mammal one in the woods of East Texas that I cannot identify. I can 100% GUARANTEE you that what I saw was a female Gray Wolf.
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Old 08-10-2009, 09:58 AM   #32
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The last 2 wild mexican wolves were killed back in 1970 by this article.

http://wildworldofwolves.tripod.com/id37.htm
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I have never seen any and lived in ETEX my whole life but have heard of several people seeing very large yotes or wild dogs that very well have been wolves or at least some kind of hybrids.
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Old 08-10-2009, 10:14 AM   #34
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I would probably be a little leary of these stories myself if I had not seen it. But I am 200% sure there is or was one around Palestine in 1998.
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Old 08-10-2009, 10:37 AM   #35
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Here is an article on the subject...

Wolf or Coyote?

We have all heard their eerie call in the evening hours and caught fleeting glances of them running across fields. It is the stuff that urban legends are made of. The big question is, is that the call you are hearing a coyote or a wolf? The coyote (Canis latrans) is present in most all areas of Texas these days, even in major metropolitan cities. It has found a way to survive on anything it can get into its mouth. However, years ago, the coyote’s distribution was not as extensive as it is today, because parts of Texas held a viable and thriving red wolf (Canis rufus) population. The red wolf’s average size ranges from 50 to 80 pounds and the coyote’s ranges from 25 to 40 pounds. Apart from the size difference is the markings of the two; the red wolf has distinct red patches around its shoulder area and face, whereas the coyote has mostly brown and grey.
The former range of the red wolf used to be from Texas to Florida and as far north as Missouri. By 1970 there were only a few small populations left in the wild, so in an effort to save the species, 14 red wolves were captured and a breeding program was begun to try and save the last of the red wolves. However, due to trapping and habitat loss, the red wolf was declared extinct world wide in the wild in 1980. In 1987 several captive animals were released in the Alligator National Wildlife Refuge in northeastern North Carolina. The animals have rebounded and their population is now close to 200 red wolves in the wild in that part of the United States.
Prior to extinction in the wild, distribution of the coyote didn’t include most of Texas because wolves, when in healthy populations, do not tolerate coyote in their home range. Wolves actually kept the coyotes numbers low and in check, because they would kill any coyotes that wandered into its territory. But as the wolves’ numbers continued to decline to extremely low densities throughout their range, the remaining individuals began breeding with coyotes, eventually disappearing from the wild.
So as you sit out in the evenings and hear their howling voices, know for a fact that you are hearing the howling of the coyote and not of the red wolf.
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Old 08-10-2009, 10:42 AM   #36
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I seen black and white pictures of my grandfather with 2 wolfs hanging from a tree. I will see if my mom can find them.
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You kind of make it sound like you are not a believer. I have spent countless hours in the woods both as a kid and an adult, there is not a mammal one in the woods of East Texas that I cannot identify. I can 100% GUARANTEE you that what I saw was a female Gray Wolf.
Maybe he's not a believer - just seems like TPWD would have at least one legit confirmation in the last 20 years if they are out there.
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Well, one of the best things about KNOWING something without a doubt, is truly not caring whether or not anyone believes you. I was just trying to tell you guys that Grey Wolves (at least one) is still alive in the wilds of East Texas (which was an answer to the original question). You have to make your own determination as to whether or not you beleive and you probably cannot do that without seeing it for yourself. So now you guys have me pretty excited that I am one of the only people in East Texas to see one in the wild.
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Maybe he's not a believer - just seems like TPWD would have at least one legit confirmation in the last 20 years if they are out there.
They don't want a confirmation. I had what I thought were red wolves come into my yard (we live next to SHNF) eating my dogs food. When I called TP&W the woman said,"Wolves are extinct in Texas." So I said, "Then it's ok if I shoot them?" She answered,"No, wolves are protected in Texas." So I said,"Then it's possible that these were wolves I saw?" To which she answered, "No, wolves are extinct in Texas." We went though this a few times. They don't want to take a position either way.
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That would be 100% correct, i'm not a believer. Same as bigfoot,to many hunters, hickers, wildlife photographers and trail cameras out there there days for to be nothing more than hearsay. I DO thought believe you saw what you think was a wolf.
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I know we have killed a lot of coyotes in east texas that did not look right. Some had a lot of red some were almost black while some dare I say had a head on them that looked more like a wolf than a yot. I killed one in Trinity that went close to 70 lbs. That my friends is a heck of a yot. It is my opionin the Red Wolf can be found but in the blood line and DNA of our local coyote population. But thats not to say that the hybreads are not out there and can show a lot of the trates of there ancestors...
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That would be 100% correct, i'm not a believer. Same as bigfoot,to many hunters, hickers, wildlife photographers and trail cameras out there there days for to be nothing more than hearsay. I DO thought believe you saw what you think was a wolf.
What I do believe, is that you do not believe me and that is OK with me. All I can say is that I grew up in the sticks, my closest neighbor was over 1/2 mile away, and we had only one channel. I spent more time in the woods before I was 13 than most grown men. I know the animals that are around me. If you knew me personally, you would know that if I say I saw a Wolf, then I saw a Wolf.

I can definatley understand how you could not believe, don't know that I would if the roles were reversed. But for the rest of you, (except for Cuzins8) they are out there.
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Old 08-10-2009, 03:13 PM   #43
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Like i said, i do believe you! I just believe, like most people that claim to have seen black panthers and chupacabras and such, they are confused for one reason or another about what they saw.
I dont know but even if i did i would still feel this way. Im the kinda person that needs more than ''i saw'' to believe in something. Thatr all...
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Let's see the video already!!!
i will see if can get my son to do it, im not computer savy enough,, might take a couple days
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Have y'all ever seen a red or black sable German Shepherd? I guarantee you some people would see one run across the pasture and claim it was a wolf.
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Old 08-10-2009, 03:59 PM   #46
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Had a friend that wanted a coyote mounted that he killed in East Texas. When I thawed him out and got measurements I had to buy a medium wolf form to fit. Had to at least be a hybrid.

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That Yote is giving me the crazy eye
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Old 08-10-2009, 04:13 PM   #47
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Actually Ive seen the Mexican Red wolves but in captivity of sorts.
Fossil Rim out at Glen Rose Texas had a paiir about 11 years ago up at the top of hill at the half way mark.

Ive heard folks tell stories of wolves .. my uncle this my cousin knew a guy who talked to a guy at the feed store...yada yaday yada...Over 30 years afield and Ive never seena wolf yet.
Now I have seen some Coy-dogs and just a endless mess of coyotes. Some of which did seem to be very large.
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Old 08-10-2009, 07:23 PM   #48
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I knew a guy who killed a red wolf near Douglassville. They took it to the courthouse to collect the bounty on it ($25.00). The man at the extension service told them it was a red wolf. They didn't get to collect the money because the bounty program was out of money though.
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Old 08-10-2009, 09:38 PM   #49
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That Yote is giving me the crazy eye
Yea I know that is not the best picture. I was still working on it and it wasn't dry yet. I didn't take any pictures after it was done. Kind'a gives me the creeps too.
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Old 08-11-2009, 08:00 PM   #50
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Read this interesting report today.
I thought you all might enjoy it.
Talks about Wolf originating from Texas and the different species that once roamed the state.

http://wildworldofwolves.tripod.com/id37.htm
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