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Old 10-14-2008, 06:21 PM   #1
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Is there any way that this could be an ocelot?

I looked them up online and McMullen county is one of the few counties in which they are known to live In Texas. Im guessing is it is just a really pretty bobcat. Has anyone ever seen one to confirm?
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Old 10-14-2008, 06:21 PM   #2
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Old 10-14-2008, 06:28 PM   #3
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It's too green to be an Ocelot!
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Old 10-14-2008, 06:29 PM   #4
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It's too green to be an Ocelot!
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Old 10-14-2008, 06:33 PM   #5
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It's too green to be an Ocelot!

Take a look now.
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Old 10-14-2008, 06:35 PM   #6
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ocelots have long tails.

unless he got caught in the engine fan of a buick when he was a baby, like a cat we had when I was a kid..... it's just a bobcat

a very cool looking bobcat though
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Old 10-14-2008, 06:35 PM   #7
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Old 10-14-2008, 06:37 PM   #8
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Bobcat - but a pretty one. Great markings. Cool picture.

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Old 10-14-2008, 06:38 PM   #9
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bobcat- he sure is a pretty one
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Old 10-14-2008, 06:39 PM   #10
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It's a bobcat,

bobcat


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Old 10-14-2008, 06:40 PM   #11
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I would lean towards an ocelot because of the neck markings but I really don't know. I going to look online.
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Old 10-14-2008, 06:42 PM   #12
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It's a bobcat,

bobcat


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Old 10-14-2008, 06:42 PM   #13
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I say Bob cat, but it's not an easy call.
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Old 10-14-2008, 06:42 PM   #14
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Bobcat, the legs are to long and ears to big for an ocelot.
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Old 10-14-2008, 06:42 PM   #15
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http://www.nsrl.ttu.edu/tmot1/felipard.htm

Mammals of Texas, great website for people to search for critters of the Lone Star State.

The tail is the best way to ID a Ocelot, I can show you pics of Ocelots and South Texas bobcats from the right angles and they look the same.
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Old 10-14-2008, 06:44 PM   #16
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Male bobcat. Look at the ears!! Too big for Ocelot

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Old 10-14-2008, 06:45 PM   #17
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here is an ocelot. plus this link to 70 pics of them.
http://www.fotosearch.com/photos-images/ocelot.html
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Old 10-14-2008, 06:49 PM   #18
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Its a imature ocelot ,the bobcat has tufted ears and and their rossettes are not defined by the by the distintive black markings also Ocelots have a much thinner coat and they dont have the belly fur common on the bobcat.Just google ocelot and you can distinguish between the pelt differnces.Sorry just my 2 cents as a wildlife biologists major.
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Old 10-14-2008, 06:58 PM   #19
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ocelots have long tails.

unless he got caught in the engine fan of a buick when he was a baby, like a cat we had when I was a kid..... it's just a bobcat

a very cool looking bobcat though
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Old 10-14-2008, 07:00 PM   #20
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Looks like half bobcat and half ocelot to me

Just my .02
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Old 10-14-2008, 07:03 PM   #21
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Its a imature ocelot ,the bobcat has tufted ears and and their rossettes are not defined by the by the distintive black markings also Ocelots have a much thinner coat and they dont have the belly fur common on the bobcat.Just google ocelot and you can distinguish between the pelt differnces.Sorry just my 2 cents as a wildlife biologists major.
Well when you took mammalogy you'll remember.....

Ocelot: A medium-sized, spotted and blotched cat with a moderately long tail; about the size of a bobcat but spots much larger, tail much longer, and pelage shorter; differs from the jaguar in much smaller size and in presence of parallel black stripes on nape and oblique stripes near shoulder; upperparts grayish or buffy, heavily marked with blackish spots, small rings, blotches, and short bars; underparts white, spotted with black; tail spotted, and ringed with black; both sexes colored alike. Dental formula as in the mountain lion. External measurements average: (males), total length, 1,135 mm; tail, 355 mm; hind foot, 157 mm; (females), 930-285-135 mm. Weight, 10-15 kg.

Bobcat: A medium-sized, short-tailed, reddish brown or grayish cat about the size of a chow dog; upperparts reddish brown, streaked with black; underparts whitish, spotted with black; back of ears black-rimmed, with white in center; ears usually slightly tufted; hair on sides of head long, producing a ruff; pelage elsewhere rather short; tail usually shorter than hind foot; the tip black above and white below, with three or four blackish bars above just in front of tip; legs relatively long; feet large, with five toes in front, four behind. Dental formula: I 3/3, C 1/1, Pm 2/2, M 1/1 X 2 = 28. External measurements average: (males); total length, 870 mm; tail, 146 mm; hind foot, 171 mm; females, 772-144-158 mm. Weight of adults, 5-9 kg, occasionally as much as 16 kg in old animals.

Another thing to remember is he took the TC in McMullen Co. I've noticed in South Texas bobcats pelts are not as Fuzzy as they're northern counter parts.

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Old 10-14-2008, 07:11 PM   #22
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Its a imature ocelot ,the bobcat has tufted ears and and their rossettes are not defined by the by the distintive black markings also Ocelots have a much thinner coat and they dont have the belly fur common on the bobcat.Just google ocelot and you can distinguish between the pelt differnces.Sorry just my 2 cents as a wildlife biologists major.
have you gotten to "tails" yet in your coursework?

I understand what you're saying about the pelts... but all you have to do is look at the tail...
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Old 10-14-2008, 07:13 PM   #23
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Absolutely awesome looking bobcat!!! One of the prettiest ive ever seen
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Old 10-14-2008, 07:37 PM   #24
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Nice pics.
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Old 10-14-2008, 07:42 PM   #25
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Old 10-14-2008, 07:47 PM   #26
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Old 10-14-2008, 07:50 PM   #27
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something doesnt look right to me...bobcat...ocelot,,, chupacabra cross
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Old 10-14-2008, 07:51 PM   #28
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Nicely marked Bobcat.
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Old 10-14-2008, 07:55 PM   #29
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Here is a picture of a male bobcat I got as well. No question about this one.
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Old 10-14-2008, 07:57 PM   #30
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Its a imature ocelot ,the bobcat has tufted ears and and their rossettes are not defined by the by the distintive black markings also Ocelots have a much thinner coat and they dont have the belly fur common on the bobcat.Just google ocelot and you can distinguish between the pelt differnces.Sorry just my 2 cents as a wildlife biologists major.

The biggest give away is the ears on this bobcat, not to mention the tail.....no way this is an ocelot.......
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Old 10-14-2008, 08:02 PM   #31
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I'm gonna say BC.......

And it was pretty darn hot at 0645 on the 5th!!!
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Old 10-14-2008, 08:06 PM   #32
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Cool pics, and that Bobcat has some neat markings....but it is still a bobcat.
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Old 10-14-2008, 08:08 PM   #33
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The rosettes on an ocelot are in an almost horizontal row or pattern and a bobcats are at random. Although this is an exceptionally spotted bobcat the pattern is at random and the tail is short. The leg length to body size is off and the ears are too large for an ocelot. You can also see the small rings on the tail while an ocelot would have large bands of black on the long tail. It is just a nice South Texas Bobcat. It would bring a lot of money for the taxidermy trade.
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Old 10-14-2008, 08:29 PM   #34
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I agree that it is a bobcat. Anybody know if bobcats and ocelots can breed?

Here is another picture I Found.
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Old 10-14-2008, 08:32 PM   #35
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My wildlife Biology professor said he new of one captive pair breeding but the kittens died within hours of being born. Kind of like Bobcats and feral cats. There has never been a documented hybrid cross.
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Old 10-14-2008, 08:35 PM   #36
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Purdy kitties!
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Old 10-14-2008, 08:37 PM   #37
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I think that good aleast be half, ive never seen one marked like that,especialy if the pic was taken in s.texas
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Old 10-14-2008, 08:41 PM   #38
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Man, I'd rather get that sucker with my bow than the biggest buck in the woods!! That is without a doubt the prettiest bobcat I ever saw, or even saw pictures of!
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Old 10-14-2008, 08:46 PM   #39
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Yes fishin dude i guess you could say I did since I graduated in 90, the size of the tail is not always indicitive of the given species.Any other questions you have feel free to ask.And i am just guessing but its not called coursework anymore
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It is not likely they would ever cross as the Bobcat has 38 chromosomes and the Ocelot has 36 chromosomes. The odds are out of sight that a pregnancy would occur and if it did the offspring would probably not live.
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Old 10-14-2008, 09:00 PM   #41
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real cool kitty though
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Old 10-14-2008, 09:01 PM   #42
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I would sure get a large livecatch trap and catch that one. It would look great in a Texas animal display at one of the zoos and they could check the markers to see if there is any Ocelot in the bloodline as remote as the chance might be. If not it would sure make a great mount. I would love the chance to set some steel traps in that area.
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Old 10-14-2008, 09:05 PM   #43
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My wildlife Biology professor said he new of one captive pair breeding but the kittens died within hours of being born. Kind of like Bobcats and feral cats. There has never been a documented hybrid cross.
Look up "Pixiebob" and give me your thoughts.
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Is the ocelot on the protected list or are they legal to harvest?
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Look up "Pixiebob" and give me your thoughts.

Pixiebob has no bobcat markers. They have been tested and are simply bobtail cats with tabby markings and tufts. The only proven bobcat cross is with a Lynx. There are those that say they have seen the hybrids but none have ever tested true. I raised hybrid jungle cats and bengals and have studied this for years. ET

The Ocelot has only been proven to cross with the Margay and the cougar. No other Ocelot crosses have ever been proven.

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Old 10-14-2008, 09:12 PM   #46
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Bobcat.
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Old 10-14-2008, 09:13 PM   #47
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Is the ocelot on the protected list or are they legal to harvest?
The Ocelot is on the Endangered species list and completely protected.
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Pixiebob has no bobcat markers. They have been tested and are simply bobtail cats with tabby markings and tufts. The only proven bobcat cross is with a Lynx. There are those that say they have seen the hybrids but none have ever tested true. I raised hybrid jungle cats and bengals and have studied this for year. ET

The Ocelot has only been proven to cross with the Margay and the cougar. No other Ocelot crosses have ever been proven.
This is good info.
I have wondered about these cats and had been led to believe that they were a cross between Bobcats and ferals.
They are very "bobcat" like and seem to be abreed unto themselves.
By the way, that bobcat is the prettiest one I've ever seen!
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Old 10-14-2008, 09:23 PM   #49
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I have seen many bobcats around Uvalde, Batesville, and other areas of South Texas. The females looked just like that picture. One summer I flushed 22 cats out of the fields around the cotton fields I was checking. The majority were females and they all looked like that picture.

I am assuming that the pic of the cat came from South Texas??

Did I assume right or not?

Oh and I had a friend that raised Bobcats for some reason and they had this little female named Whiskey that look just like that.

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Old 10-14-2008, 09:26 PM   #50
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I would like to say its a ocelot but the chances of seeing em are small (but they do exist). I noticed the markings have a more distinct black out line and the neck and face are more similar to a domestic house cat. I do notice the shortened tail though but it does lack a distinct black tip typical in bobcats. Just my opinion I would love to see more pics of it. Its a beautiful cat anyway
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