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Old 11-08-2013, 09:24 AM   #1
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EPA Closure of Last Lead Smelting Plant to Impact Ammunition Production
Written by Joe Wolverton, II, J.D.
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The Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) is not content to infringe on property rights; recent actions taken against the country's last lead smelting facility will affect the right to keep and bear arms, as well, by substantially impacting the production of ammunition. As of December 31, 2013, the lead refining plant will close for good.
The St. Louis Post-Dispatch reports:
About 145 employees of the Doe Run lead smelter [in Herculaneum, Missouri] learned they will lose their jobs at the end of December because of the plant’s closure, the Doe Run Co. said Wednesday. An additional 73 contractor jobs also will be eliminated.
The job cuts were expected. The plant, which has operated for more than a century and is the lone remaining lead smelter in the United States, announced in 2010 that it will cease operations at the end of this year.
The U.S. Environmental Protection Agency said the company “made a business decision” to shut down the smelter instead of installing pollution control technologies needed to reduce sulfur dioxide and lead emissions as required by the Clean Air Act.
That all sounds so very sterile, but the truth of the matter is that in shuttering this plant, the Obama administration has taken yet another unconstitutional step, one that will severely impinge on the nation's ammunition manufacturing capability. Why would the Doe Run Company, the owners of the Missouri lead smelting facility, agree to being run out of business by the EPA? One word: extortion.
In a document published on its website, the EPA explains that in order for Doe Run to continue its operations, the company would have to agree to pay “$65 million to correct violations of several environmental laws at 10 of its lead mining, milling and smelting facilities in southeast Missouri. The settlement also requires the company to pay a $7 million civil penalty.”
In a statement to the press, Doe Run said the fine and the required upgrades to its facilities were “too financially risky.”
The effect on the right to keep and bear arms is obvious. As explained by the National Rifle Association (NRA):
The Herculaneum smelter is currently the only smelter in the United States which can produce lead bullion from raw lead ore that is mined nearby in Missouri’s extensive lead deposits, giving the smelter its “primary” designation. The lead bullion produced in Herculaneum is then sold to lead product producers, including ammunition manufacturers for use in conventional ammunition components such as projectiles, projectile cores, and primers. Several “secondary” smelters, where lead is recycled from products such as lead acid batteries or spent ammunition components, still operate in the United States.
Without ammunition, a gun is just a club. The government knows this, and in light of the ongoing project of arming federal agencies to the teeth with millions of rounds of ammunition and military-grade weapons and vehicles, the EPA’s closing of the Doe Run plant, although not a direct assault on the right to keep and bear arms, can be seen as another step toward civilian disarmament.
While a few other media outlets have reported on the closure, none has connected this dot to a couple of others in the overall plan to leave Americans without weapons and ammunition.
First, the EPA’s closing of the country’s last lead smelting facility follows close on the heels (within a little over a month) of Secretary of State John Kerry’s signing of the United Nations’ Arms Trade Treaty (ATT) “on behalf of President Barack Obama and the people of the United States.”
Article 3 of that agreement outlaws the buying, selling, trading, or transferring by civilians of all “ammunition/munitions fired, launched or delivered by the conventional arms.”
By making it impossible to manufacture ammunition, it becomes impossible for civilians to own it. Mind you, such prohibitions do not apply to government. In fact, under the Arms Trade Treaty, the national governments of member countries are given monopoly control of the entire ammunition stockpile of that country.
Another dot not being identified by other outlets reporting on the Doe Run story is the relationship of the closure to another multinational agreement: the Trans-Pacific Partnership (TPP).
What does the United States' membership in the TPP have to do with the EPA’s forced closure of a lead smelting plant — a plant, while not critical to the manufacture of ammunition, certainly important to that crucial function?
Two of the countries from which the United States will now be importing lead are Peru and Australia — two members of the 13-nation bloc participating in the TPP.
The third exporter that the United States will soon rely on for the lead necessary to make ammunition? China. Although China isn’t currently negotiating with the other Pacific Rim countries in establishing the TPP, on November 1, the Chinese state-run media reported:
China and the United States strongly intend to engage each other in the Trans-Pacific Partnership, a "high-standard" trade agreement involving the US and other countries including Japan and Australia, according to insiders close to both governments.
China's leaders see entering into regional trade and agreements as an opportunity for the nation to pursue market-oriented reform and transform its economic development pattern.
Those goals will be high on the agenda next week when the Third Plenum of the 18th Central Committee of the Communist Party of China convenes in Beijing.
"I was informed by high-level US officials recently that the US side hasn't meant to exclude China from the TPP trade arrangement," said Long Yongtu, who was China's chief negotiator for its entry into the World Trade Organization.
Long commented on Friday at the start of a two-day international forum on emerging economies, which was organized by the China Institute for Reform and Development.
"The Chinese side is also taking an active interest in the TPP. When it's ready, we are going to launch negotiations with the US," Long added.
In Novermber 2011, President Obama tipped his hand in this high-stakes game of trade talks when he told Chinese media, “Now, if China says, we want to consult with you about being part of this [the TPP] as well, we welcome that.”
Connect those dots and the picture gets clearer: The Obama administration will stop at nothing to absolutely abolish the right of the people to keep and bear arms. The means to this end are mounting: first, the flurry of executive orders unconstitutionally infringing on that right; second, the signing of a UN treaty explicitly calling for the disarmament of civilians, including the restriction on the purchase of ammunition; third, although the shutdown of domestic lead smelting capacity does not signal the end of domestic production of ammunition, it does indirectly force Americans to turn to fellow members of the unconstitutional sovereignty-stealing Trans-Pacific Partnership, as well as to communist China for a key component of ammunition manufacturing.
There is still a way for Americans determined to preserve the right to keep and bear arms to fight back against the federal assault.
Congress must be called upon to immediately defund the EPA and repeal the act that created it, as well as to refuse to ratify any treaty — the Arms Trade Treaty and the Trans-Pacific Partnership — that infringes on the rights guaranteed by the Constitution. Once these basic rights are surrendered to unelected, unaccountable international bodies, those rights will be regarded as fungible and revocable at the will of global bureaucrats bent on finally eliminating the Constitution.
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Old 11-08-2013, 09:49 AM   #2
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Great, now all the goober stock pilers are going to sweep the shelves again.
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Old 11-08-2013, 11:06 AM   #3
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I hate the EPA, but the leap from "violation of the Clean Air Act" to "extortion" requires a jet pack.
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Old 11-08-2013, 03:36 PM   #4
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Seems to me the stockpilers might not be the goobers after all !
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Old 11-08-2013, 03:50 PM   #5
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I hate the EPA, but the leap from "violation of the Clean Air Act" to "extortion" requires a jet pack.
EPA for sure is being used as a political tool, has been for the last 20yrs.
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Old 11-08-2013, 04:15 PM   #6
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Yes, but if you operate your facility in compliance the EPA cannot come in and shut you down. This is a case of a facility not installing the required air emission controls, getting busted for it THREE YEARS AGO and still not installing them, then whining about the penalty.

If you want something to whine about, the greenhouse gas horse**** is worth whining about, but this is nothing but spin on a facility that intentionally violated the law.
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Old 11-08-2013, 04:26 PM   #7
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The EPA is the newest tool our president has found to do what he wants without going through congress.
They have the EPA set a standard at a level that is unreachable then force the plant to close.
They are well on their way to setting standards that will shut down every coal burning power plant in the USA.
Which will throw thousands of people out of a job and reduce the power supply in Texas 40%

I believe they want as many people out of a job and living on government handouts as they can get..
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Old 11-09-2013, 11:51 PM   #8
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What I want to know is who's going to make our ammo for the military, Russia?
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Old 11-10-2013, 12:22 AM   #9
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Looks like I better stock up.
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Old 11-10-2013, 02:30 AM   #10
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Here we go again.
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Old 11-10-2013, 02:53 AM   #11
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Lol, and I was thinking about selling some ammo today....
Think I'll hold off on that for a while.
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Old 11-10-2013, 04:03 AM   #12
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hit the nail on the head.
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Yes, but if you operate your facility in compliance the EPA cannot come in and shut you down. This is a case of a facility not installing the required air emission controls, getting busted for it THREE YEARS AGO and still not installing them, then whining about the penalty.

If you want something to whine about, the greenhouse gas horse**** is worth whining about, but this is nothing but spin on a facility that intentionally violated the law.
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Old 11-10-2013, 05:34 AM   #13
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Dang it
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Old 11-10-2013, 05:51 AM   #14
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I think that the article is pretty biased. The gov't is not really doing anything different with these guys than with many other industries. I had my share of it but was fortunate in that the needed upgrades only cost a couple of million dollars. It appears that the lead people had a long running violation that they were not addressing. The fines are based on the number of days of non compliance and possible other administrative penalties for record keeping, etc.
Our fines were based on $10,000 a day a the time and that was twenty years ago. I do not know what the fine is set at currently.

So that being said, there is a consequence of the action that affects ammunition production but it was forseen and the ammunition manufacturers should have their raw material supplies sourced from a different direction.

For what it is worth, there are no more sardine canneries in the U.S. but I can still buy sardines.
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Old 11-10-2013, 06:16 AM   #15
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Great, now all the goober stock pilers are going to sweep the shelves again.
I guess I'm a goober stockpiler!
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Old 11-10-2013, 07:04 AM   #16
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I think that the article is pretty biased. The gov't is not really doing anything different with these guys than with many other industries. I had my share of it but was fortunate in that the needed upgrades only cost a couple of million dollars. It appears that the lead people had a long running violation that they were not addressing. The fines are based on the number of days of non compliance and possible other administrative penalties for record keeping, etc.
Our fines were based on $10,000 a day a the time and that was twenty years ago. I do not know what the fine is set at currently.

So that being said, there is a consequence of the action that affects ammunition production but it was forseen and the ammunition manufacturers should have their raw material supplies sourced from a different direction.

For what it is worth, there are no more sardine canneries in the U.S. but I can still buy sardines.
Its a never ending story. Comply with the regulations and they just write more regulations until you close. Same reason we haven't built a single new refinery in the last 40yrs. All because of the EPA.
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Old 11-10-2013, 07:19 AM   #17
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Certainly a concern exporting more jobs overseas. Does Biraq not think all the sugarcane smoke drifts to a different country when Mexico does their annual burn? Has anyone bothered to call the ammunition manufacturers (most located in Missouri) to understand the true economic impact??? If you call them, they will say they have been running 3 shifts and quadrupled production. They haven't shut down. As far as shotshell cost, that may see some increase. Regarding rifle ammo they see little impact as batteries and all are being shifted to Mexico. Definitely increased bulk shipping but cheaper labor. The only reason for the shortage is pure hysteria. Instead of people stocking 1-2 boxes they are stocking 1-2 cases or 10,000-20,000 rounds. Some ammo is cheaper now than before the panic. ARs are cheaper in some places. This has been excellent for the industry. The manufactures indicated supply is catching up fast! In 3-4 months there is going to be a lot. The total users have increased and each user is hoarding. Supply - demand and capitalism is a beautiful thing and sheeple panicking is more amusing.
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Old 11-10-2013, 07:51 AM   #18
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Sierra responds...just like $2,000+ ARs now under $1,000 and some just over $500.

http://sierrabullets.wordpress.com/2...ierra-bullets/
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Old 11-10-2013, 08:03 AM   #19
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Obama is a smelter.
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Old 11-10-2013, 08:18 AM   #20
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Sierra responds...just like $2,000+ ARs now under $1,000 and some just over $500.

http://sierrabullets.wordpress.com/2...ierra-bullets/
good.to know. now if all the hoarders would read it!!!!
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Old 11-10-2013, 11:01 PM   #21
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Seems to me the stockpilers might not be the goobers after all !
But they are. Think about it long and hard. A few guys and some .22's and .223's with tons of ammo but still only a few guys behind the rifle vs an ARMY.
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Old 11-11-2013, 05:51 AM   #22
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People really need to research stuff from more than one source.
Bush's EPA started this in 2008. Can't blame king Hussein for this one.
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