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Old 07-17-2013, 09:14 AM   #51
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My guess is that anywhere you have a decent deer population they'll be there.


a black lion seems unlikely, though.
So if you see a mountain lion in the wild, you can take a shot? I was under the understanding that they were protected by the state and were to be left alone.
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Old 07-17-2013, 09:17 AM   #52
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My guess is that anywhere you have a decent deer population they'll be there.


a black lion seems unlikely, though.
I called the GW a few years ago after I saw one on my lease. He said it was not uncommon to see them around here any more and said I could shoot them if I wanted to. He also added "there's really no reason to shoot them". So, legally you can shoot them but he didn't want me to is what I gathered.
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Old 07-17-2013, 09:31 AM   #53
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So would you guys advocate killing one of these obvious rare black panthers in order to prove all of the naysayers wrong? I know a picture would not do....it would just be torn apart.
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Old 07-17-2013, 09:44 AM   #54
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I hunt near Crockett and in the past 5 years we have had 2 Big cat incidents. The first was about 5 years ago When a guy on our neighboring lease had shot a doe during bow season and waited about and hour then went to tracking when he finaly found the doe it had been drug 100+yards and had large teeth marks around its head, claw marks over its body and the hind quarters eaten out of it and large cat prints around the body.
The second time happened last year one of the guys was driving into town after the morning hunt and less than half a mile from the camp a large black cat with about a 4-6 foot long tail rain out in front of his truck stopped and looked at him then ran back into the woods.
So i do believe we do have black panthers and or mountain lions in our area.
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Old 07-17-2013, 09:46 AM   #55
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I heard one while coon huntin one night and it was definitely black! I heard it with my own ears!. I don't believe in black panthers but I know what I heard! I wish I would have had a tape recorder with me!
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Old 07-17-2013, 09:57 AM   #56
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I'm always amazed that 4 out of 5 people who have seen a Black Panther have never seen a regular Mt Lion...
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Old 07-17-2013, 09:58 AM   #57
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My friend who bow hunts in Liberty Co now carries a pistol on her hip after a run in with a tan colored mountain lion. She only had her bow on her while walking to her stand & she said in the heat of the moment, if they see you first, there is no chance to get your bow & arrow ready. But she sure tried-- in all the chaos the mountain lion ran away. She said it didn't look like it wanted to attack her but she didn't see any cubs or anything either. She's a country girl who knows her animals, so I highly doubt it was anything but what she said. And she had not been drinking. Her younger son was hunting close but did not run into it (Thank God).
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Old 07-17-2013, 10:20 AM   #58
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Old 07-17-2013, 10:24 AM   #59
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I've never laid eyes on one personally but when I hunted in Grapeland we had tons of hogs in the melon fields so we shot a few and left em lay in a costal field. The next day we went to see if anything had eaten on them. We couldn't find any of them, we got to looking around and noticed that they were all in tall grass and something had covered them up with grass and sticks. I told the GW about it and he said it was defiantly a cougar/mountain lion.
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Old 07-17-2013, 10:33 AM   #60
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I told the GW about it and he said it was defiantly a cougar/mountain lion.
you realize those are the same thing right?
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Old 07-17-2013, 10:35 AM   #61
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you realize those are the same thing right?

It reads like he does...
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Old 07-17-2013, 10:47 AM   #62
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These are the "El Chupacabra" of east Texas to me! Lots believe they are here but I've never seen one and never seen a trail cam pic. I know a lot of folks that say they have seen them but who knows.
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Old 07-17-2013, 10:52 AM   #63
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I know a few people who claim to have seen black panthers.
I know a few crazy, drunk, lying people too.
These are the same people.


Mountain Lions in East Texas? Absolutely. No doubt. Documented and easily proven.

Black Panthers? No.
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Old 07-17-2013, 11:04 AM   #64
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Neither melanisn nor albinism occurs in the Mountain lion population. Jaguars however do have a black color phase.
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Old 07-17-2013, 11:25 AM   #65
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It always cracks me up how many black panther sightings there are. A mountain lion is a rare enough sighting no matter where you are. It is stated that the melanistic color phase does not exist in mountain lions. So for arguments sake lets say that it is possible for a mountain lion to have a black phase. What would the percentage of mountain lions that had this active gene be? Very Very Very miniscule, it is even incredibly rare in animals that CAN be black. So lets say again that mountain lions could be black, How many of them would actually exist AND be in Texas? VERY few. In fact I bet you would be talking about one of the rarest creatures on the planet. Yet people seem to believe they are running around rampant. There are probably more Black Panther "sightings" than mountain lions which is funny to think about. Now lets say its a lost jaguar from Mexico, way out of its range and black which again is still very very rare even for a cat with the melanistic ability. How could there be so many of these incredibly rare creatures that all got so lost that they are just running around East Texas being seen by everyone? Now lets say that someone let out a pet or it escaped from a big cat rescue or zoo etc. Same redicilous logic as the two scenarios above. As for it being a entirely independant species of black cat? Come on people with all the people in the woods and everywhere else, hunting, working etc. All of the trailcameras and survelliance equipment out there, high powered rifles, cameras and traps. Yet no one can seem to kill one or get a picture? The story is always " well Jim Bob saw one but didnt have one in the chamber". If one gets killed or a definitive picture comes out, I will eat crow. Until then, its time to stop believing in fairy tales guys.
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http://www.wtblock.com/wtblockjr/jaguar.htm

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Old 07-17-2013, 11:52 AM   #67
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Neither melanisn nor albinism occurs in the Mountain lion population. Jaguars however do have a black color phase.

How many black jaguars do we have proof of in Texas?


Housecats have a black color phase too..
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Old 07-17-2013, 12:02 PM   #68
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I have seen three lions in Texas over the years. One was between Woodville and Chester that crossed the highway in front of me one Christmas. My wife also saw it, the kids did not as they were asleep in the back of the van.
The second one was while looking for a lost cow for a friend of mine. I was flying a supercub down on the Brazos river and there was a two track going down thru the woods and he was lying in the road just resting.
The third was while varment calling, again down on the Brazos river. I was up in a deer stand and calling, it came out of the brush line on a fence line, but did not come to the call but went the other way.
I have never seen any color other than the tawny type. I would not discount that there could be other color phases though. My son says that he saw a dark one while calling one time. I was not with him at the time, however a friend of mine was and he also saw it, so I guess there is something out there other than the normal color phases.

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Old 07-17-2013, 11:17 PM   #69
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I can understand how it could look black. The second lion I have seen was on the Lincoln Ranch and I, at first, would have sworn it was black. It crossed a 70 yard wide pipe line clearing. The sun was going down and it was toward the sunset. It looked black as the ace of spades. After crossing the clearing it worked it's way toward me and eventually past me. It wasn't only tan but it was a very light tan.
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Old 07-17-2013, 11:23 PM   #70
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I can understand how it could look black. The second lion I have seen was on the Lincoln Ranch and I, at first, would have sworn it was black. It crossed a 70 yard wide pipe line clearing. The sun was going down and it was toward the sunset. It looked black as the ace of spades. After crossing the clearing it worked it's way toward me and eventually past me. It wasn't only tan but it was a very light tan.
I think this is the culprit behind most "black panther" sightings..
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Old 07-18-2013, 02:17 AM   #71
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Nothing like a good black panther thread
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Old 07-18-2013, 08:36 AM   #72
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I think this is the culprit behind most "black panther" sightings..
I agree with that.
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Old 07-18-2013, 08:47 AM   #73
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So all of these are fake? Or there just isn't any in Texas?

http://images.search.yahoo.com/searc...=black+panther

I agree with the "look black to me from a distance" theory
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Old 07-18-2013, 08:55 AM   #74
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So all of these are fake? Or there just isn't any in Texas?

http://images.search.yahoo.com/searc...=black+panther

I agree with the "look black to me from a distance" theory
Photoshop and jaguars looks like..
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Old 07-18-2013, 08:56 AM   #75
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So all of these are fake? Or there just isn't any in Texas?

http://images.search.yahoo.com/searc...=black+panther

I agree with the "look black to me from a distance" theory
I've seen the majority of those photos on big blankets hanging from wire sold out of vans on intersections. Along with dogs playing poker on a velvet canvas
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Old 07-18-2013, 09:01 AM   #76
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I know a few people who claim to have seen black panthers.
I know a few crazy, drunk, lying people too.
These are the same people.


Mountain Lions in East Texas? Absolutely. No doubt. Documented and easily proven.

Black Panthers? No.
I think this is very accurate.
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Old 07-18-2013, 09:06 AM   #77
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Photoshop and jaguars looks like..
So there are black jaguars? I haven't researched the black panther myth much lol
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Old 07-18-2013, 09:07 AM   #78
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I've seen the majority of those photos on big blankets hanging from wire sold out of vans on intersections. Along with dogs playing poker on a velvet canvas
Nice! I've seen a few of those as well!
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Old 07-18-2013, 09:28 AM   #79
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I saw a big otter run across a pipeline a few years ago. I got a good look at it so there was no doubt what it was. It looked black because it was wet, and running through the grass about 80 yds away, I could totally see it being mistaken for a big cat. It looked huge and I thought it was much further away. It's tail was as long as it's body and it's posture was very cat like.

I am black panther sceptic because of facts, but after seeing that otter I know now why there are so many "sightings" in East Texas and around the lakes area.
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Old 07-18-2013, 09:38 AM   #80
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Every small town in Texas has Black Panthers stories, and every lake dam in Texas has had divers go down and see catfish as big as volkswagons! Heard them all as a kid!

I did see a Mt. Lion on the Escondido ranch in Freer. Only one I've ever seen alive.
I saw a dead one hit by a car on the side of the road in Sarita Tx. years ago.
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Old 07-18-2013, 09:41 AM   #81
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Every small town in Texas has Black Panthers stories, and every lake dam in Texas has had divers go down and see catfish as big as volkswagons! Heard them all as a kid!

I did see a Mt. Lion on the Escondido ranch in Freer. Only one I've ever seen alive.
I saw a dead one hit by a car on the side of the road in Sarita Tx. years ago.

Don't forget about the knowing a person who fell in a giant ball of water moccasins while water skiing too..
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Old 07-18-2013, 09:41 AM   #82
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Don't forget about the knowing a person who fell in a giant ball of water moccasins while water skiing too..
& an East Texas Wolf!!! Can't forget them either
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Old 07-18-2013, 09:53 AM   #83
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Old 07-18-2013, 09:59 AM   #84
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Saw a mountain lion in smith county about 10 yrs ago. Seen it 2 different times within a year. Then haven't seen one since
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Old 07-18-2013, 10:03 AM   #85
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Don't forget about the knowing a person who fell in a giant ball of water moccasins while water skiing too..
Thats true...I forgot about that one. Ive heard that story a 10000 times too!
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Old 07-18-2013, 10:07 AM   #86
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Big dark cats are definitely in East Texas but no panthers
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Old 07-18-2013, 10:09 AM   #87
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Old 07-18-2013, 10:32 AM   #88
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So there are black jaguars? I haven't researched the black panther myth much lol
Yes. Jags can be black, just like a black deer, they are not very common. There shouldnt be any in Texas unless one escaped captivity from somewhere.
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Old 07-18-2013, 10:40 AM   #89
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Yes. Jags can be black, just like a black deer, they are not very common. There shouldnt be any in Texas unless one escaped captivity from somewhere.
Just no black panthers? Well that anyone one has photo/video proof of anyways. Got it!
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Old 07-18-2013, 10:44 AM   #90
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Don't forget about the knowing a person who fell in a giant ball of water moccasins while water skiing too..
Or the catfish the size of volkswagons that scared divers so bad at every dam in each East Texas lake
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Old 07-18-2013, 10:51 AM   #91
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I have never seen a black cat and doubt they exist in East Tx, BUT I have seen a regular mountain lion on a couple of occasions. I have also seen several white whitetails and one black whitetail buck, it was one of the largest bucks I have ever seen in east texas. I have several buddies that swear they have seen black cats, but I wonder if that had to do with ten too many adult beverages or a left handed cigarette or two
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Old 07-18-2013, 11:30 AM   #92
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With all these mountain lion sightings in East Texas the mindset of not shooting them and the rarity of seeing them should be tossed out the window. I expect the East Texas thread be blown up with ldps of dead kitties!
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Old 08-28-2013, 09:53 AM   #93
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Ocelot, Ocelot where have you gone.....morning is over and a new slouch is on.....
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Old 08-28-2013, 10:21 AM   #94
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The amount of people that claim to have seen a black panther is just astounding.

Hell, the amount of people that claim the animal they are looking at on a game cam pic is a mountain lion, when its obvious it's a bobcat, also astounds me.

Then there's always the obligatory, "I've been a hunter all my life, I know what I saw."
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Old 09-06-2013, 01:58 PM   #95
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Mountain Lion, Puma, Panther, Catamount, Cougar and Mountain Cat are all the same animal. They do NOT carry the GENE to be BLACK. However, if you've seen a black one your not crazy. It is likely that you THOUGHT you saw a black Panther when you were actually looking at a JAGUARUNDIE. a Jaguarundie looks a lot like a mountain lion but is only about 18" tall. You can Google the name and see if that's what you saw. Remember you DID NOT see a BLACK Panther, Puma, Cougar, Mt. Lion, Catamount or Mt. Cat.
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Old 09-06-2013, 03:28 PM   #96
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So would you guys advocate killing one of these obvious rare black panthers in order to prove all of the naysayers wrong? I know a picture would not do....it would just be torn apart.
I don't care if he's purple with pink polkadots, if a big cat walks out in range of me im slingin an arrow or lead at his big feline arse
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Old 09-06-2013, 03:43 PM   #97
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Don't exist. Period.
are you sure its posiable just like black bears in south texas they can migrate
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Old 09-06-2013, 05:04 PM   #98
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I have seen a mountain lion when I was at a family members property a few years back. would rather only see another one when I have a rifle in my hand.
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Old 09-06-2013, 05:17 PM   #99
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When I was about 10 or so, I heard one behind our house one night. Talk about give you the willies. My uncle said he saw one one evening while running his dogs on a timber plantation by his house. Another on reported just up the road from us in some friends pasture right off the highway. All this was on 255 from colmesneil to jasper. When I was in high school, supposedly someone's horse was killed by one behind the sheriffs office in woodville. They are there, that thick timber will hide more things than you know it.
Bud Davis got on some pretty rank horses back in Jasper, or so he says.

I still think he should've forgot about the homely Sissy and stuck with the strange!
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Old 09-06-2013, 05:49 PM   #100
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When [i] was a kid I hunted in Jackson Co I saw one big cat he was dark brown. We called them mop tails or mexican lions their tail was longer than the body with a mop on it. It was sitting on a levy and watching me. We saw cat tracks all the time and my dad shot at one that was under his stand. Dad was born in 1917 and he hunted all over Tx. He told us tells about lions from north Tx to Larado. I think that most Black panthers are the chocolate ones.
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