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Old 05-07-2013, 05:38 PM   #1
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Other threads in the past have got me wondering, is recreational gym that has a kiddie league, say volleyball games taken place there. Are they off limit? No 30.06 sign either.

I know professional sport events are off limit. I wonder about kiddie leagues? Thanks. Appreciate it.
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Old 05-07-2013, 05:44 PM   #2
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http://www.txdps.state.tx.us/RSD/CHL/faqs/index.htm

34. I am a Texas Concealed Handgun License (CHL) holder. Are there any places where I cannot carry my concealed handgun?
Yes. 46.035, Texas Penal Code prohibits carrying of handguns and other weapons in certain places. These include but are not limited to:

On the premises of a business that derives 51% or more of its income from the sale or service of alcoholic beverages for on-premises consumption
On the premises where a high school, collegiate, or professional sporting or interscholastic event is taking place
On the premises of a correctional facility
On the premises of a hospital or nursing home (unless licensee has written authorization)
In an amusement park
On the premises of a church, synagogue, or other place of worship
At any meeting of a governmental entity

Tee ball at the park is probably OK, as long as the parking lot doesn't have there no gun sign up.
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Old 05-07-2013, 05:50 PM   #3
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Wonder when they'll update this. Was informed in Feb that churches and amusement parks are no longer on there.
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Old 05-07-2013, 05:59 PM   #4
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Wonder when they'll update this. Was informed in Feb that churches and amusement parks are no longer on there.
It is up to the discretion of the reverend at the church. Also amusement parks that are open for more than 120 days per year you CAN NOT carry at those places.

Example:, Six Flags Over Texas you CAN'T carry as it is open for like 8 months out of the year.

Example:, State Fair of Texas you CAN carry because it is not opened more than 120 days of the year.
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Old 05-07-2013, 06:02 PM   #5
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The instructor that told me this said the regs hadn't been updated to reflect the new law - which also deleted hospitals and nursing homes...haven't gone looking for the amendments as I have no intention of carrying in a church and don't much care for hospitals...
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Thanks guys. I'm just wondering about the recreational facility almost like YMCA but we have our own local rec gym that have girls play league volleyball in their gym.

I'm aware of other places except for this one. That's why I'm asking about it. Thanks.
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Old 05-07-2013, 06:31 PM   #7
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The instructor that told me this said the regs hadn't been updated to reflect the new law - which also deleted hospitals and nursing homes...haven't gone looking for the amendments as I have no intention of carrying in a church and don't much care for hospitals...
Because no one has ever shot up or blow up a church.
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Because no one has ever shot up or blow up a church.
https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/1999/09/tex-s17.html
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It is up to the discretion of the reverend at the church. Also amusement parks that are open for more than 120 days per year you CAN NOT carry at those places.

Example:, Six Flags Over Texas you CAN'T carry as it is open for like 8 months out of the year.

Example:, State Fair of Texas you CAN carry because it is not opened more than 120 days of the year.
now how on earth did they come up with 120 days....why not 119 or 115? why 120? targeted?
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Old 05-07-2013, 07:08 PM   #10
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Lol. Most of what has been posted so far is not true- which is typical of the chl threads.

There is no exclusion of "kiddie league" in the penal code. If it is not a high school, college, or pro event, (or UIL event), i would not worry about it unless it is posted. If the event is school sponsored, you are not allowed to carry there.

It is not up to the discretion of the reverend of the church. If the church is posted, you cannot carry. If the church is not posted, you can carry. (He may be the one that decides if it is posted or not, but it must be posted to limit chl access).

As far as the 120 day amusement park opinion- that is not in the penal code anywhere. You are allowed to carry at an amusement park unless it is posted, simple as that.

As far as the instructor saying "they havent updated the regs yet", he would be dead wrong about that. They ARE updated to reflect these changes. He obviously is just too lazy to look in the handbook, which is bad mojo because that is what he should be teaching. They are there, i promise. Curious what else he is teaching if he didnt even get that right...
He needs to look at PC SS46.035(i), it explains it very clearly.


Philip- to answer your question... If the gym is not posted, you can carry there imo.

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Old 05-07-2013, 07:21 PM   #11
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Lol. Most of what has been posted so far is not true- which is typical of the chl threads.

There is no exclusion of "kiddie league" in the penal code. If it is not a high school, college, or pro event, (or UIL event), i would not worry about it unless it is posted. If the event is school sponsored, you are not allowed to carry there.

It is not up to the discretion of the reverend of the church. If the church is posted, you cannot carry. If the church is not posted, you can carry. (He may be the one that decides if it is posted or not, but it must be posted to limit chl access).

As far as the 120 day amusement park opinion- that is not in the penal code anywhere. You are allowed to carry at an amusement park unless it is posted, simple as that.

As far as the instructor saying "they havent updated the regs yet", he would be dead wrong about that. They ARE updated to reflect these changes. He obviously is just too lazy to look in the handbook. They are there, i promise. Curious what else he is teaching if he didnt even get that right...
He needs to look at PC SS46.035(i), it explains it very clearly.


Philip- to answer your question... If the gym is not posted, you can carry there imo.
Lol. Thank you very much for answering my ? My thoughts exactly. No signs posted and not a school sanctioned sport event.
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Lol. Most of what has been posted so far is not true- which is typical of the chl threads.

There is no exclusion of "kiddie league" in the penal code. If it is not a high school, college, or pro event, (or UIL event), i would not worry about it unless it is posted. If the event is school sponsored, you are not allowed to carry there.

It is not up to the discretion of the reverend of the church. If the church is posted, you cannot carry. If the church is not posted, you can carry. (He may be the one that decides if it is posted or not, but it must be posted to limit chl access).

As far as the 120 day amusement park opinion- that is not in the penal code anywhere. You are allowed to carry at an amusement park unless it is posted, simple as that.

As far as the instructor saying "they havent updated the regs yet", he would be dead wrong about that. They ARE updated to reflect these changes. He obviously is just too lazy to look in the handbook, which is bad mojo because that is what he should be teaching. They are there, i promise. Curious what else he is teaching if he didnt even get that right...
He needs to look at PC SS46.035(i), it explains it very clearly.


Philip- to answer your question... If the gym is not posted, you can carry there imo.
Spot on.
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Old 05-07-2013, 08:20 PM   #13
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I carry in church...I carry any where that i think nut job psycho's might act stupid. Im not paranoid. I just want to ensure a level playing field...i also like guns and carrying guns. CONCEALED IS CONCEALED?
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Sarcasm.
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Old 05-07-2013, 09:03 PM   #15
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now how on earth did they come up with 120 days....why not 119 or 115? why 120? targeted?
Are you asking about the arbitrary decision to cut it at 120 days?

Why not the parts of "at least 75 acres" or the county with more than "one million" people or "has security guards" "at all times"?
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Lol. Most of what has been posted so far is not true- which is typical of the chl threads.

There is no exclusion of "kiddie league" in the penal code. If it is not a high school, college, or pro event, (or UIL event), i would not worry about it unless it is posted. If the event is school sponsored, you are not allowed to carry there.

It is not up to the discretion of the reverend of the church. If the church is posted, you cannot carry. If the church is not posted, you can carry. (He may be the one that decides if it is posted or not, but it must be posted to limit chl access).

As far as the 120 day amusement park opinion- that is not in the penal code anywhere. You are allowed to carry at an amusement park unless it is posted, simple as that.

As far as the instructor saying "they havent updated the regs yet", he would be dead wrong about that. They ARE updated to reflect these changes. He obviously is just too lazy to look in the handbook, which is bad mojo because that is what he should be teaching. They are there, i promise. Curious what else he is teaching if he didnt even get that right...
He needs to look at PC SS46.035(i), it explains it very clearly.


Philip- to answer your question... If the gym is not posted, you can carry there imo.
I appologize. You are correct in the removal of amusement parks per (b) (5). My misinformation...

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And if a place doesn't have a 30.06 posted and you enter then are told no guns allowed and you don't leave you then have broken the law. 30.06 only allows you to legally enter the establishment...
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Well if we are going to talk misinformation then lets start with amusement parks. PC 46.035 list amusement parks where prohibited as permanent indoor/outdoor, in a county of 1 million or more, at least 75 acres, controlled access, open more than 120 days and with security guards...
Some of y'all really need to read the laws instead of spewing misinformation.
Thanks for the post. Saved me the trouble of finding it.
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And if a place doesn't have a 30.06 posted and you enter then are told no guns allowed and you don't leave you then have broken the law. 30.06 only allows you to legally enter the establishment...
Criminal Trespassing if I'm not mistaken
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I appologize. You are correct in the removal of amusement parks per (b) (5). My misinformation...
You are talking about the "definition" of amusement park, according to the penal code. Of course that is important.

We are talking about whether or not an amusement park has to be posted or not. Two different things.
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Thanks for the post. Saved me the trouble of finding it.
I have sent cam-Mac an apology as I misinformed. The definition of an amusement park was correct but the requirement that a 30.06 now has to be posted is correct. I knew a church and hospital had been removed from a place you could not carry but forgot about the amusement park.
My mistake

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Old 05-07-2013, 09:54 PM   #22
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I'm going to have to stop posting from my phone on such subjects. Apparently i left out qingdao details and qualifying/disqualifying items for carrying on certain properties..

i shouldn't have implied that it is up to the discretion of the reverend. I should have started it was up to his discretion whether or not to put up a30.06 sign preventing you from carrying.

Also i was lazy on the amusement park. What qualifies the state fair from preventing you from carrying there I'd the 120 day rule. And BTW there it's a special line for CHL holders to go through, do not go in through the normal line look for the one marked for CHL usually at the front main entrance.

And of course six flags meets all of the requirements that automatically prevent you from carrying the premises, and that includes the parking lot if I'm not mistaken, as well.
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Cam-Mac is correct. Everything is in the code. Read it for yourself, don't ask for opinions.
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Old 05-07-2013, 10:31 PM   #24
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Cam-Mac is correct. Everything is in the code. Read it for yourself, don't ask for opinions.
I wasn't asking for an opinion on other things that have been stated in this thread because I already know my CHL laws but wasn't sure about Rec Gym where the league played in. Some of response were off topic and irrelevant to my question when I asked mine.

I always look for 30.06 signage, if there's none, I carry it in. I know my 51% sign and other things very well because this is my third year of carrying. I was merely asking about the leagues in a Rec Gym.

As any other thread, there's bound to be misinformation handed out even myself in the past, which I've stopped giving out until I know my facts first.
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